New Leaked Build Is Evidence That Windows 10 Will Be Ready By July 29 302
Ammalgam writes: A new pre-released build of Microsoft's latest Operating System Windows 10 leaked to the internet today. The build (10151) shows a more refined and significantly faster user interface than previous versions of the product. Microsoft seem to be focused on last minute refinements of the UI at this point and the product looks almost ready for prime time. A picture gallery of Windows 10 build 10151 can be found here.
I can't wait. (Score:3, Funny)
Literally. So I will run Linux instead. No GNUs is not good GNUs.
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In Linuxland, every release is a first alpha version. You're not given support and are expected to be a developer and fix everything yourself.
P.S. I still love you linux.
Evidence? (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact that you can reserve a download of Windows 10 with a release date of July 29 isn't evidence of this already?
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To be pedantic there is no guarantee that a product is "ready" when it's released.
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I don't think there is anything pedantic about your comment at all, it is a very valid point. Not like a software company has ever pushed something out before it was ready. released != ready
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How the hell do you "reserve a download"?
Re:Evidence? (Score:5, Funny)
By following the simple process outlined in the "Get Windows 10" notification that magically appeared on millions of computers last month. If you run windows, you'll find it in your system tray. It's the white windows logo.
Be warned: It's a highly technical process that involves "clicking".
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Be warned: It's a highly technical process that involves "clicking".
I once knew a guy who mastered perfectly the process of clicking, but then I saw him doing a doubleclick. Yep, you heard it right: two consecutive clicks performed quickly one after the other. Before that I didn't know that there are people that can actually do it. Simply put, my mind was blown. It's a very cool trick, you have to see it in real life to fully appreciate it.
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I simply do not believe you. There is no way a human could do such a thing. Not now, not ever. Pics or it did not happen.
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Isn't that the problem that BitTorrent solved a decade ago?
Seriously though, why all the flat colored squares? Somebody needs taking out the back for a good talking to.
Clue: It's not "clean", it's dull and uninspiring.
Re:Evidence? (Score:5, Informative)
Isn't that the problem that BitTorrent solved a decade ago?
Windows 10 actually does have P2P Windows Updates. It's limited to within a LAN so you won't be "sharing" your upstream with your neighbors, but if you have multiple Windows 10 installations on a network they'll pull already downloaded updates off of each other rather than going to the internet.
Probably nice for those getting screwed by their ISPs.
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Clue: It's not "clean", it's dull and uninspiring.
More like "Tasteless" and "Nauseating".
Seriously. I can't even glance at some of those screenshots without feeling a little queasy for some reason.
Boy, this quote [google.com] is more true than ever...
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My theory on the the whole point of the "flat" style is so they can imitate it in HTML/CSS. Which was not (easily) possible with the old "Aero" look.
Personally, I think it's to give the weak GPUs on mobile devices a battery-break.
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Why do you even comment on these threads? Are you just looking to swing your Apple-branded dick around? You're not bringing anything to the discussion, you are just arguing your opinion, and it's not even original.
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If it doesn't *look* new and different, it can't be good.
But what if it doesn't look "new and different" OR good?
Uh this isn't news... (Score:5, Insightful)
How the hell it became news, I don't have a clue either. Microsoft said it was going to be released on July 29th, almost 28 days ago. [windows.com]
Re:Uh this isn't news... (Score:4, Interesting)
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i bricked my windows install updating to a newer version of the preview... thats pretty awful.
Bricked (Score:3)
You don't "brick" software. You "brick" hardware to the point where it is unresponsive to user input and requires intervention at the firmware level.
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Th cloud isn't in the cloud anymore. ....
In 10130 (the last official build) and in former one, you can't any longer keep you cloud in the clioud you need to install / download all the OneDrive on your computer... but I run it on a tablet with only 64gb of ssd and less than 10gb free after fresh install of windows 10, and I have over 100gb on OneDrive
SO I can't use OnDrive
If I configure OneDrive, Windows Freeze, no BSOD, but completly dead. After the reboot, the menu/taskbar didn't works again. the reinstal
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The question then people should be asking, is are you using fast path or the slow path channel? My one machine is fast path and sees these problems, the other is slow path and doesn't see these problems. You put that together and what does it say? That fast path is still tweaking and testing like any other unstable build. While slow is doing a fine job of being stable.
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I'm really struggling to see any differences between this and the insider preview version I've been running for a while. TFA says it is faster, but doesn't give any specifics. This is a pretty piss-poor article/submission.
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. /.'s continuing decline into pop culture viral page hits and away from technical discussion.
Now, when you read a headline here that is more provocation than fact, you will know the reason may be to stir things up on twitter and facebook. It's part of
It's mostly click-baitng, with a bit of stupid (Score:2)
A lot of it is just the run of the mill stupid site trying to drive up traffic with controversial headlines. Worked too, Slashdot linked to them. However part of it is just the guy being a derp and thinking that because the UI wasn't completely polished off it wasn't ready to go. Had he looked in to it, he'd realize that kind of polish is nearly always the things that comes last, right before release, for a variety of reasons.
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It's not news that MS would release Win10 on July 29. It's news that Win10 would be usable by July 29. From what I've read, there was considerable doubt on that.
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Moo-moo, moo?
Signed,
The Cow King.
Win7 is likely to be my last Windows (Score:5, Insightful)
The modern OSes, including Win10, as if competing who can make a bigger clusterfuck out of the UI.
Some say it is because of the touchscreen support. But in my experience it sucks even more with the touchscreen. Unless you play movies or listen to music. Because even moderately involved browsing (say going through the bug tracking) is already rather tedious.
At least under Linux, I can replace the UI with something user-friendly like Xfce or LXDE. Useless with touchscreen - but fully usable with the mouse and not fucked up.
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Yeah, Windows 10 looks like shit. /Oblg. Windows 1 vs Windows 8
* http://gaspull.geeksaresexytec... [netdna-cdn.com]
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Nah. Win10 looks like the modern GNOME3 desktop: beatiful as a hand-drawn picture, but just as useful.
Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows (Score:4, Interesting)
But in my experience it sucks even more with the touchscreen.
That's nice. I'll voice the opposite opinion. Windows 8 tries to greatly improve the completely non-existent touch screen interface that exists in Windows 7. Windows 8 is borderline navigatable on touchscreen and I'm not talking about the metro UI (which is an abortion).
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What's wrong?
Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows (Score:5, Insightful)
Interfaces are dumbed down for touch UI. That's the main problem.
Application are also getting increasingly dumber and dumber. Because from perspective of some, if you can't make feature "beautiful" for the touch UI, then there is no point in providing the feature.
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Can you give an example of an application(s) UI that has been negatively affected for the sake of making it "'beautiful' for the touch UI"?
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The problem is they're trying to make a single UI to be used with fingers and a mouse and keyboard and that's really difficult without making a substandard UI for any (or both) of the paradigms. I use Windows on a desktop computer and Windows 10 should not penalize me for it. I have a mouse that's capable of very precise movements an
Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows (Score:4, Informative)
You mean like this Windows powertoy [microsoft.com] from Technet?
Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows (Score:4, Informative)
It's not very good.
You can't move windows from one desktop to another, which is something I do frequently - move a pad of notes from one screen to another, move a meeting reminder with a webconf ID to the screen with my Windows VM (because the webconf software only works on Windows).
There are other third party programs that also try to do it, but they do weird crap like remembering where windows are and moving them around.
It's just not as developed as the Linux solutions have been for as long as I can remember - key combos to switch desktop, to switch desktop but drag the current window with your viewpoint, to place a window on all desktops, etc. I'll be interested to see what the Windows 10 implementation is like, but Windows 10 will likely remain just my "gaming" OS with my real work done on Linux.
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true, Windows stole a lot of features from Linux (without doing them as well), but I don't think the desktops feature in Win10 will be as slick as you want, partly nothing ever is unless it has the exact feature set and keys, and partly because multiple desktops has not been a prime feature for Windows user since.. ever, as you know by the lack of a desktops program!
I'd just stick with Windows 7 until there is a need to move.
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Welcome addition. Who knows, probably Win20 would finally allow users to configure system keyboard shortcuts. Then it would be almost at parity with Linux of 15 years ago.
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I create graphics for educational materials.
DTP was always a branch on its own. Most of the time you just start PhotoShop/etc, and pretty much never switch to another application. I'm not sure how Win8 could have improved (or changed) your workflow, because you rarely see the OS anyway.
In a way, it is similar to the Internet surfing workflow. The only time you see or use the OS is to start the browser. After that, everything is done inside the browser, which is largely OS independent and can be used to the same effect under literally any OS.
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Re:It find it more amazing (Score:4, Interesting)
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Unless you are one of those people who passionately hated the Start Screen, it probably doesn't fix many of the things you don't like about it. Judging from the discussions about it, Microsoft has done very little outside of improving the integration between the Modern UI and the traditional desktop. Yet it is still a schisophrenic UI (which is easily bumped into when you try configuring yours system, as one example) and Microsoft is still pushing their online services.
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Start screen is bullshit (Score:2)
Their start screen which uses the whole display is bullshit. I literally had no idea you could swipe and see more icons. Nothing indicates that is even possible. No scroll bars or even arrows to show there might be more in another direction. To access the options for the Metro apps you have to swipe the right side of the screen ONLY WHEN ITS LOADING. Seriously, what the fuck?
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Oh the pain from your comment...
No its a broken design and it shows from all the feedback Microsoft has received.
Re:It find it more amazing (Score:4, Informative)
IANAWE. I had a need to run Windows on something to develop a test TCP/IP server using VS/C#. It wasn't exactly a production system and I had SWMBO's Win7 PC to fall back on so I put Win10 preview on a new laptop and used it. VS 2013 works fine and I would expect that to be among the first programs they tested. I've also used a couple IDEs for embedded targets (Keil, PSoC creator) and they work fine on Win10 even when Win10 is running in a VMWare VM. The only thing I have seen not work is mounting host drives from the VM. I also see a null pointer exception for explorer.exe on shutdown for the most recent release.
The charms bar that pops up on the left if I ever get the pointer close to that edge is gone - Yay!
I can search the task menu with one click - Yay!
The propensity for built in apps to take over the whole screen and with NO option to minimize seems to be gone - double Yay!
And decades after other OSs have figured out how to manage multiple desktops, Win10 manages multiple desktops.
OTOH, Win10 still figures out ways to reboot w/out explicit permission from me. That has not been fixed. Would it be so hard to pop up a dialog box following an update that asks permission? There are times I've been in the middle of something but away from the PC and it restarts because I'm not there to stop it. That is incredibly rude and stupid beyond belief and yet Microsoft deems us not worthy to make that decision.
For my purposes Win10 is an improvement over 8.1 but not enough so to draw me away from Linux.
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There is a setting in the Windows Update action center that allows you to stop updates from automatically installing without your explicit permission. It pops up the nice little dialog you are requesting. So I would be careful about who you are calling stupid or rude.
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Win 8.1 isn't too terrible, as long as I can avoid Metro. But I'm still going to upgrade. Not sure if I'd upgrade from 7 though.
'Leak' ? (Score:5, Informative)
The Windows Insider builds are available to anyone who can be bothered signing up to the program. The only 'leak' here is if publishing screenshots constitutes a breach of the EULA.
MS releases an updated beta. *yawn*
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The Windows Insider builds are available to anyone who can be bothered signing up to the program. The only 'leak' here is if publishing screenshots constitutes a breach of the EULA.
Microsoft only releases some builds to the insider program. More to the fast ring than the slow, but they certainly do not release every internal build to the insider program. For example, the currently available build for PC is Build 10130. For me, it's always interesting to see what's in the latest internal builds even if they aren't released to the public - just to know what to expect when a build is released.
Also, this is not just a screenshot release. The entire build was leaked, and this is the
Design by Fisher-Price? (Score:4, Insightful)
Having taken a look at the screenshots, I can't help but think of words like "garish", "cartoonish" and "Oh, dear, it looks like Rainbow Brite puked all over the screen".
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I don't know, but they'd be well-advised to be about it. Phones and tablets, and even laptops, are limited in so many ways. I want an interface that can take advantage of what a full-scale PC with multiple monitors offers.
My cell phone is for checking up on stuff when I'm not at my desk. I don't want or need an OS that caters to a device that's my second or third priority.
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I'm not a fan of the new `flat' look they're going for... but "designed by fisher price" was used to describe WindowsXP... so... this is something else. Perhaps designed by Seth Macfarlane?
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Having taken a look at the screenshots, I can't help but think of words like "garish", "cartoonish" and "Oh, dear, it looks like Rainbow Brite puked all over the screen".
I like to call it the "Fisher Price: My First Computer" syndrome. It's a pandemic on mobile devices, and has recently jumped the species barrier to desktops. Symptoms include:
- Completely flat and simple user-interface made from a small color palette
- Simple shapes comprised of 90-degree angles
- Uninspired colors and themes made up of primary colors so as not to distract from learning exercises
- Huge buttons and other user-interface targets, designed to make it easy to use by those with undeveloped eye-ha
Still looks like WIndows 8 (Score:3)
YAWWWWWN! Still looks like Windows 8 to me. Windows 8's UI and "look and feel" sucks big green donkey dicks! I'll be sticking with Windows 7.
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It's funny how people said the same thing about the Vista/7 look when it was new. And about the XP look when it first appeared in screenshots. Probably the Windows 95 look too, but I wasn't into PCs back then.
Having used 8 for a few years it's fine. They made the shadows a bit deeper in 10, which was my only real complaint. I've been replacing the start menu since I moved up to 7 anyway so the start screen never bothered me.
Crap gotta learn Chinese now (Score:2)
I was hoping they continue releasing an English language version ;)
First Adopters... (Score:2)
I think the real question is, for those of us debating the free upgrade, most of us with Windows 7, how long do you wait?
I guess it must depend on how much of a disaster the initial launch is...
From my own perspective it will be: How many drivers will be broken? What software will not be supported?
All I know for sure is that WMC will be gone, and I will have to find a replacement for it. Though it has been kinda half broken for awhile now (unsupported codecs etc...).
Be afraid... (Score:2)
The words "Microsoft" and "last minute" in the same sentence are....concerning. Hell, they have enough issues when they're not trying to reach self-imposed deadlines.
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I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
Also, Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future, that all features will continue to work, and that they pay for any damages that result from an automatic upgrade going wrong. So it doesn't seem wise to upgrade, at least not immediately. I'd rather wait a year or two.
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I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
It reminds me strongly of late Microsoft Encarta 1998 (sample [computer-legacy.com]). That said, Encarta's UI was a favorite of mine, and so I look forward to using Windows 10.
Re:Wow gorgeous (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
You don't understand. "Modern" is the new marketing buzzword which actually means "we're recycling a bunch of old shit from 20 years ago and calling it new". For example, the Recycle Bin icon in Windows 10, after being changed 3 times over the past several months, now looks like something straight out of Windows 95.
Re:Wow gorgeous (Score:5, Funny)
You have to admit, Windows 2.0 benefits greatly from HD displays and millions of colours.
At the time of its initial release, you barely had 16 colours for the whole screen, and you had to convey information with them.
Nowadays, you can have 16 distinct shades of grey, none of which gives you the slightest clue about if some UI element is actually click-able/tap-able or not, but man, aren't these fonts gorgeous ?
Re:Wow gorgeous (Score:4, Funny)
Nowadays, you can have 16 distinct shades of grey
I want no fewer than 50, before I upgrade, thanks.
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...Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future...
One Microsoft exec did say that Windows 10 was the start of "Windows as a Service" (WaaS). The resulting uproar caused Microsoft to backpedal quickly from the remark.
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But we now know what is on Microsoft's mind for Windows in the future.
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No, they still use the phrase 'Windows as a Service' prominently. There's no hint that means anything with respect to how people *pay* for the thing. It seems to refer to two things depending on the audience:
-Rolling release for the consumer space. No longer do consumers have to/get to decide on a particular version. On the plus side, if you were running Vista and then 7 level of functionality came along, you get fixed for no additional cost. On the down side, if you are running something 7 like and 8
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Windows 10 is very dated feeling. I've been using it since the Insider Preview came out.
It's not even close to the level that Android/iOS mobile is at in terms of UI and UX. It's not even to the level of a modern Linux desktop.
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It's not even close to the level that Android/iOS mobile is at in terms of UI and UX.
Come on, it's not that bad! Even saying it's comparable to Android and iOS is a bit extreme, but to call it worse is just too much.
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You know, it does kinda look like the original Xeroc PARC design: http://netdna.webdesignerdepot... [webdesignerdepot.com]
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You know, it does kinda look like the original Xeroc PARC design: http://netdna.webdesignerdepot... [webdesignerdepot.com]
Whew! Now finally people can stop that "Apple ripped off Xerox PARC" meme!
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Everything is a bit 80s today, haven't you noticed? ;)
Jurassic and Terminator was just released, they are making new Top Gun.
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Windows HAS given repeated guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions for Windows 10. Waiting more than a year is stupid if you have a free upgrade path.
Uh huh. And the next minor rolling release will be labeled Windows 11, thus ending your free Windows 10 subscription.
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Very modern and beautiful OS. Microsoft is reinventing personal computer. Again. Meanwhile, OS X is continuing its march to unify with iOS. And Linux is acting like a time capsule to be shown in museums how it was in the mid 2000s. [/sarcasm]
Fixed it for you.
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Very modern and beautiful OS. Microsoft is reinventing personal computer. Again. Meanwhile, OS X is continuing its march to unify with iOS. And Linux is acting like a time capsule to be shown in museums how it was in the mid 2000s.
Wrong.
OS X is carefully incorporating certain design elements and UI paradigms that appeared first in iOS.
That is a far, far, cry from simply pitching out an entire Desktop UI and replacing it with garish children's building blocks, hidden tools and the window dressings from Windows 3.1.
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Windows has made a lot of advancements, but the picture is not clear cut.
Performance: Graphics driver stack and utilization Windows is ahead by a wide margin. Otherwise Linux usually wins (though some debate can be had about scheduling behaviors). For reference, look at the Top500 list and count the Windows deployments versus Linux.
Security: This really is more subjective than objective in many ways. Windows let's you *think* you are logged in as admin without actually giving admin in a pretty sophistica
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The Top500 is not relevant to desktop or laptop performance.
I love using linux for all my HPC stuff but on a desktop or worse a laptop it can be a major pain in the ass. Linux is really tuned for a server and not as a desktop. Even with an SSD and all fully supported hardware on a laptop linux just doesn't run as well. It can use things like optimus to switch between integrated gpu and dedicated gpu but it is clunky and buggy compared to windows. The interface does not run as smoothly and the fonts don't r
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FTFY.
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Windows is already ahead of Linux in terms of performance, security and stability. These days one has to think twice if he really wants to replace his Windows desktop with Linux.
You're so right!
These days, the best choice for desktops is clearly OS X. Even with the changes in 10.10 and 10.11, overall, they are head and shoulders above everyone else in the UI department.
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Media Center wasn't introduced until Windows XP. Your timeline is off by half a decade.
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Wow, did you even wipe off that statistic after you pulled it out? I might buy that 10% of users *tried* WMC at some point during their ownership since it's release. Heck, I even tried it until I found out that it was essentially useless, with poor content, poor support, and outrageously expensive extension devices.
I'd guess the current usage would be 1% or less, but I've not seen any statistics.
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All I can guess is that Comcast who they are partners with asked them to kill media center so people wont be able to control their own content and will have to use expensive DVRs ... this is not right
Actually I think you'll find it's more to do with the cost of licensing when it comes to recording TV. From what I've read the licensing fees are absolutely extortionate which is why none of the very awesome open source media centres which in every other way shit over MS's product have this feature. It's a handy little way for cable companies to maintain a monopoly on PVRs capable of recording their channels and likewise a way to ensure that these PVRs don't record protected content.
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