New Release of the Trinity Desktop Environment 197
mescobal writes: A new release of the Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) is out. TDE is "a computer desktop environment for Unix-like operating systems with a primary goal of retaining the function and form of traditional desktop computers" which translates into a fully functional KDE 3 style Desktop. Something is missing in the new generation of desktop environments, since some people (perhaps more than "some") feel at home with Gnome 2 or KDE i3. They have repositories for Debian and Ubuntu-based distros. I'm now using it on Ubuntu 15.04, amazed about how well-planned things were in the previous generation of DE. We may have gained some things with Gnome 3 and Plasma 5, but we lost a lot of good features too. TDE brings them back.
YADE (Score:2)
Choice is good.
I think Gnome 3 sucks, but having figured how to get Mate to pretty much work how I like, am I going to start from scratch with something else? That'll be the same for the poor benighted fools who use Cinnamon, LXDE, KDE etc.
It'd have to be really awesome to be worth the time investment.
Why not clone OS X? (Score:4, Insightful)
There was a time when people thought Linux would become a contender on the desktop. That basically hasn't happened, and it's not going to happen in a big way. Thus linux users are starved for good native apps (kinda a chicken and egg thing going on too).
Now if you ditched KDE and Gnome and simply went with a full on clone of OS X, suddenly a whole ton of apps would come to Linux, whether it be running OS X apps as-is or whether you convince developers to do a simple recompile for Linux. Whether you like OS X or don't like it, the reality is this would boost Linux, bring apps, and give a shoe in for a possible desktop future for Linux.
And the reality is, OS X is actually quite good. Apple developers have always quite liked developing for the platform, users apparently like it, so nobody would be terribly upset.
Or you can keep running with the failed KDE/Gnome wars.
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Linux needs constant tweaking to keep it running properly
Really? Could have fooled me. It works out of the box to do everything most people need.
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It will never work out of the box like OS X, because of hardware.
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Linux is a piece of shit out of the box but you can sculpt it
I thought people sculpted clay and polished turds. I learned something today.
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Constant tweaking like what?
I find it (along with every other OS) needs a bunch of tweaking on installation: bringing over .bashrc, setting up preferences, getting favourite/necessary programs installed etc etc.
But once that's done, keeping ubuntu running is just a question of occasionally typing "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" and perhaps once every two years, bumping from one LTS release to the next. I gather if you're a WIMPy sort of person, that happens with a few mouse clicks inst
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I'm finding support is going backwards for my old nvidia graphics with the newer kernels and Xorg. Also I disabled the desktop long ago and can't get it back (it can display a wallpaper though), not a real problem but the workaround would be to delete the DE's user files.
I removed a dead hard drive and the system hanged on boot. The "graphical" boot prevented the message "Press S) to skip, M) for maintenance" from appearing. Fortunately I somehow knew that I had to press "S" (and to edit the fstab to commen
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Thanks for caring, my intention was to rant and point out a few issues (PC stuck when removing a data hard drive is the silliest.
Nouveau works but without 3D acceleration these days, though I shall try going back to the 3.13 kernel.
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I suspect those LTS bumps are way more painful than on OSX.
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In what way is a reinstall/upgrade every 2 or even 4 years cnstant tweaking? Which as you may remember was the original point.
I've had successes and failures for every major line of operating systems upgrading to a new version. You can search for "OSX upgrade failed" if you like to find a bunch of examples where OSX doesn't upgrade cleanly.
Of course you can find the same for ubuntu too. But in the case when it works, it's a question of running:
do-release-upgrade
(or clicking on the right thing if you're WIMP
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Double reply:
Ubuntu also has another nice option. You can simply re-install from scratch without blowing away /home even if you only set up one partition, so recovering from a failed upgrade is also trivial.
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OSX supports doing that too, since at least 10.3, possibly from 10.2: it's the "Archive and Install" option.
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Apple has solved that problem for me.
So wait, Apple have solved the third party package update problem by not updating third party packages and that's a solution? Or is it like the App store where packages randomly change and can therefore break at literally any time?
testing/unstable branches, which come with their own host of problems.
There's also the backports repos which seem pretty trouble free to me.
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There was a time when people thought Linux would become a contender on the desktop. That basically hasn't happened, and it's not going to happen in a big way. Thus linux users are starved for good native apps
We are? I have everything I need to do actual work. Maybe I don't have the latest 3D first person shooter or what have you, or a word processor with a ribbon interface that packs in 1,000 superfluous features, but I can easily get done what I need to get done to be productive.
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There are people working on this as we speak: http://gnustep.org/
It is not very popular because people who run Linux generally don't want a clone of the Mac desktop. The point of free software is freedom. People can do what they want. It's not about picking one thing and ramming down the throats of everybody who uses a computer. It's definitely not about taking market share and making sure everybody is doing the same thing.
KDE and Gnome are hardly failures. There are many, many people who use each and
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Now if you ditched KDE and Gnome and simply went with a full on clone of OS X
Yuck no!
We've already been through this once when people were trying to clone Windows and it sucked then. The OSX envy sucks just as much. Seriously, I know where I can buy a mac and I choose not to. I use Linux because I like it and think it's *better* than the competition.
All the windows or OSX envy does is make Linux into a second rate knock off of OSX or Windows. It'll never be a one-for-one replacement and it stops it from bei
Re:Why not clone OS X? (Score:4, Interesting)
It's called GNUstep, and it has languished for many years because it's not as smexy like the KDE/Gnome wars.
Also. . . If your goal was source compatibility -- or even semi-compatibility -- with Mac OS X, you'd be forever chasing after a rapidly-moving target.
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the reality is this would boost Linux, bring apps, and give a shoe in for a possible desktop future for Linux.
And why exactly would existing users care about "a possible desktop future" or running OS X "apps"?
Good grief.
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There was a time when people thought Linux would become a contender on the desktop.
There was a time?
I still meet people who think it's just around the corner, not to mention every new Windows release brings those expectations.
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Yeah but then Apple fights you every step of the way. Remember what happened with the clones? They'd throw roadblock after roadblock after a team trying to make an open source OSX.
Trinity is the good old stuff (Score:1)
which features did we lose? (Score:1)
We may have gained some things with Gnome 3 and Plasma 5, but we lost a lot of good features too. TDE brings them back
I was a big fan of KDE 3, but it's been years since I used it and if you asked me now I couldn't tell you which were the features that have been lost. So which are they?
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Key missing feature: simplicity.
For better or worse, "activities" is a confusing concept. It takes an abstract concept (the desktop) and another level of abstract concept ("workplaces") and adds YET ANOTHER level of abstract concept (an "activity") which fully requires the first two levels. The main session is itself an activity, which starts to become really mind-twisting unless you already know what an activity is.
KDE also has two different concepts for application: that of a traditional application and t
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I don't use activities, and KDE 4 has never tried to make me use them. There's no need to use widgets either. What's the problem? KDE has always been about having options, Gnome was the place to go for simplified lack of choice.
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I don't use activities, and KDE 4 has never tried to make me use them.
Actually, at least some variants of KDE 4.x had the workspace pager replaced by the blue/red/green activity balls in the taskbar by default. I remember this especially because I had to go read up on what an activity was!
It was simple enough to change that, but I definitely count that episode as trying to "make me use them".
slashdotted (Score:1)
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A few weeks ago?
I used to DE hop. (Score:2, Interesting)
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I've said for a while now: Computer UI's, Web Design, Audio, Useability and reliability all peaked in 2007-2008. Since then we have all been treated to a increasingly farcial "beta" of the Tablet/iDink industries attempt to turn computers into Fischer Price toys. Future genertions will look back on the last ten years as a stagnation point of software on all fronts.
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Funny enough, I was discussing that very same matter with a co-worker last Friday.
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so, do you sell your car when you get tired of the color or no longer like the wheels?
Maybe you should paint the car with one of the very many colors that are available and put some nice wheels on it to match. Sounds like someone doesn't like to get their hands dirty. Maybe Linus isn't for you.
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Maybe you should paint the car with one of the very many colors that are available and put some nice wheels on it to match.
Sure, I'll do that on my project car where I'm doing it just for the fun of it but for most people in most use cases the computer operating system is a tool to do a job.
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so, do you sell your car when you get tired of the color or no longer like the wheels?
Maybe you should paint the car with one of the very many colors that are available and put some nice wheels on it to match. Sounds like someone doesn't like to get their hands dirty. Maybe Linus isn't for you.
Actually 99% of the population do sell or (wish they could replace) when they tire of some aspect of their car and pay mechanics to get their hands dirty, others like being weekend mechanics while others grew out of it and found other things to keep us busy
Same with computers an IT products
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Why should I have to fight with package dependencies and fiddling with config files every time some clique of nerds decides one DE is better than another? It soon became tiresome. Now that I've been on OS X for 3+ years I've never looked back. Its DE doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water every 12 to 18 months.
Xfce has all the features..... (Score:4, Interesting)
of Gnome 2 or the older standard desktops.... without being particularly slick and pretty. Xfce has the most customizable desktop because you can easily create launchers for apps, files, and urls. And you can define panels and dock those launchers into the panels..... something that Gnome never really offered.
Cinnamon is prettier and Unity is more "space-age" in its appearance. But when it comes to functionality, Xfce gives me what I need.
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Its DE doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water every 12 to 18 months.
You only say that because you have only been using OS X for 3+ years (assuming the 3+ means less than 4). It's possible you haven't noticed because after only 3+ years, you aren't familiar enough with the Mac to notice when something goes missing.
Workspaces arbitrarily changed from a useful grid to mandatory linear layout. Ditching a working file search for Spotlight that only allowed results to be sorted based on name, kind or "last opened". Dropping features during a crusade to eliminate features requirin
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Now that I've been on OS X for 3+ years I've never looked back. Its DE doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water every 12 to 18 months.
No, you just have to worry that some turtleneck will get in a snit and Apple will change hardware platforms.
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Oh. No doubt.
Still does jack and shit to alleviate all the pain that it caused.
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Why constantly fix a car that barely works?
I'm still running Debian, CentOS, and PC-BSD, but I can understand the frustration.
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Pish and tosh.
I'm happily compiling my tool chain under FreeBSD 10.2 while learning Gnome3.
Which tools? Xorg, Gnome3, Eterm, xosview, Opera, Seamonkey, Firefox, Chromium, Midori, lynx, Thunderbird, Pidgin, LibreOffice, LibreCAD, xpdf, Audacity, xmorse, VLC, KeePassX, nmap, Wireshark, Zenmap, Nmapsi4, Vagrant, Packer, Docker, VirtualBox, awscli, cdrtools, dvd+rw-tools, etc.
Why? Because this is the only way to have that exact toolset configured just the way I need it. As a bonus, I get ZFS, and full-disk encr
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This is not *another* DE. It is KDE3, which was the only good one in a time when KDE4 crashed all the time, Gnome3 has arond 3 features in total, and Unity got introduced. Now, however, it's old, and everybody and their mothed has moved on.
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This is not *another* DE. It is KDE3, which was the only good one in a time when KDE4 crashed all the time, Gnome3 has arond 3 features in total, and Unity got introduced. Now, however, it's old, and everybody and their mothed has moved on.
Can I just say "thank grudd for that". Trinity developers; we love you. Even better will be if you manage to keep API and desktop interaction convergence with KDE whilst still having everything work according to your own taste. However if we wanted the right to demand that we would come and work for the project ;-)
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You seem to have missed that on Linux you can completely ignore whatever crappy (e.g. KDE, Gnome) window-manager the distribution has standardized on. I have been running Debian with my own fvwm configuration for ages and that configuration I first created on sun-os. I had to do one rewrite when fvwm2 came out, but that is it.
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Did you bother to read the post... (Score:1)
Or simply pressed "send" without thinking?
TDE is not "another desktop environment". TDE a maintained fork of KDE 3.5, with the expressed intent of maintaining the look-and-feel and functionality of KDE 3.5.
If anything, you should be congratulating them instead of condemning them as they are doing the exact opposite of what Unity is doing. Maintaining a working DE while adding subtle changes.
Oh, and for the record, Speak for yourself. My startup has ~10 employees running Fedora and thus far (6 years) it has
Re:Change the channel, Marge (Score:5, Insightful)
The real issue with UI lately is the 'mobilization' of the desktop, to its detriment. Windows, osx, and linux all suffer from it now. At least the latter allows the user to run alternatives.
Re:Change the channel, Marge (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately, even if you install a real desktop, you still suffer from the 'mobilization' of the web.
So many websites have now been redesigned for touchscreens to the point where they're utter crap on a desktop machine.
I really can't wait until this 'mobile' fad is over, and the 'UX designers' find some other fad to chase after.
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There's that, but, for the moment anyway, I've been able to avoid depending on here-today-changed/gone-tomorrow web sites for critical workflows.
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How in the world will "mobile" go away? I don't pretend to know what the Next Big Thing is, but people are not going to return to physical keyboards anytime soon. I'm sitting on the couch with a laptop right now, but only because the kids have the tablets. This laptop is 6 years old, and I doubt I'd bother with another except that I need to do real work on it - as you point out, much of the new efforts are directed towards mobile.
Re:Change the channel, Marge (Score:4, Informative)
How in the world will "mobile" go away? .... people are not going to return to physical keyboards anytime soon
Yes they are, or they have never abandoned them. Typing (as opposed to just looking and reading) is just awful on a touchscreen. Also, the fad for smallness is going away already. The marketing droids will represent keyboards to the next generation as a "new idea", as they did analog watches.
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You are stuck in an argument from 2006. Keyboards will not go away - as you imply, they are needed for real work. But the consumer world has moved on - you absolutely do not need a keyboard for consumption, or even social media. The "fad of smallness" already was under attack when Zoolander parodied it in 2001. The iPhone began the re-biggering of mass market cell phones, and they seem to have settled on a 5-6 inch form factor given their current capabilities.
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I have a 4k monitor, with 125% scaling enabled.
The website where I order food recently managed to increase the amount of whitespace and lack of content to such an extent that now generally 10 rows of food fit on the screen.
10.
The rows are (pre-scaling) at least 140px high, even if no images are included. It's ridiculous.
Of course it doesn't help that determining the dpi of the user device wasn't well-supported in the past. Responsive CSS should really use min-resolution instead of relying on pixel counts:
ht [stackoverflow.com]
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I got a UHD monitor and what I really miss is a simple way to say "This application is stupid, tell it that my screen is 1920x1080 and scale it 200%." Same thing with browsers, though they could optimistically render images at full resoulation if the image file has higher resolution than the display size.
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I never noticed. Of course, I never used KDE or Gnome or some other crappy "modern" window-manager. fvwm has all I need and excellent customization possibilities in addition.
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I never noticed. Of course, I never used KDE or Gnome or some other crappy "modern" window-manager. fvwm has all I need and excellent customization possibilities in addition.
Huh. I like to try out new things. Often the old things are better, but when declaring something as crappy, it's more authoritative to have first hand experience. That's why I keep a sacrificial machine around. It's actually fun, and sometimes you find out that the "smart guys" are full of it.
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OS X doesn't suffer from the 'mobilization' of the desktop. I use OS X on a daily basis and not one thing that's going on in iOS-land has adversely (or even noticeably!) affected my existence. Perhaps you could elaborate on what you mean?
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OS X doesn't suffer from the 'mobilization' of the desktop
That isn't quite true. It is suffering from 'mobilization', and also 'socialization'.
Snow Leopard (10.6) was the best release ever. Since then it has been going steadily backwards, albeit slowly.
I remember reading one of their '200 new features in the next release' that mentioned Facebook 46 times. That was when I knew it was all going to be downhill.
Apple got an early lead in the race to the bottom by taking away great things like expose, but then they seemed to falter a bit.
Linux and especially Microsoft
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it has been going steadily backwards, albeit slowly.
I thought that Adam Sandler mesured the velocity and arrived "At a Medium Pace".
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OS X doesn't suffer from the 'mobilization' of the desktop
That isn't quite true. It is suffering from 'mobilization', and also 'socialization'.
And yet, I use mine the same way as I've used it for years.
No facebook, no twitter, no iCloud - just applications. It works exactly the same way as when they went to 10 - I use only the new features I like. caveat: Spotlight has been ruined.
What they do, is offer options. If I want a Windows 8 sorta interface I can use launchpad. Not that anyone does, because that's gotta be the worst use of desktop space ever - just like W8 - but if someone does like it, it's an option.
So I've been derping around
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I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Can you give any examples of how recent versions of OS X suffer from mobilization?
Expose didn't get taken away, it just got renamed to "Mission Control" and got merged with Spaces (which was a good idea) in OS X Lion. They also made it work with multitouch trackpad gestures (i.e. you can activate it by swiping up with 3 fingers). That was probably iPhone-inspired, but it was done in a way that was very suitable for a desktop/laptop environment.
The only thing I can
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I also don't see the "mobilization" and "socialization" that some people are talking about, though I have been watching the OS become more of a consumption platform than a productive tool since Li
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OS X doesn't suffer from the 'mobilization' of the desktop.
Bullshit! There are some things Mac does quite well ( having quick look would be awesome on my Windows / Linux machines ), and others that suck. It is no different than any other OS.
I started to use a Mac at OS/X 10.9 since they are so heavily used in academia. 10.10.x switched over to the iOS shit-tastic flat look on everything. It is atrocious to try and differentiate between UI elements now on a default install. Thankfully there are more than a few UI enhancements ( free even ) that can be installed to m
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Sure it does. The finder has been dumbed down substantially since the initial releases.. It probably peaked around 10.5 or 10.6, then they started 'ios'ing the system.
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Windows 10 does not rectify those mistakes. Yeah they brought back a half usable start menu but that's about it.. Now, instead of the single confusing control panel they brought out for vista (which in turn replaced the more usable xp panel), the user must now navigate back and forth between two to get things configured..and the new one is half broken (monitor management for ex). Microsoft seems dead set against giving people the configurability they want (window metric configuration for ex) in a sane, co
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I've got to say that the Mac desktop peaked with Snow Leopard. I'm running Yosemite on my Macbook and it's really not all that impressive. I remember upgrading from Leopard and seeing a massive speed boost. Now it gets just a little more sluggish with every upgrade. The major feature upgrade? The fucking Apple Store.
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Don't forget the removal of all gradients and everything shiny or glossy. Gotta keep those UX designers doing something, right?
Honestly, though, I barely notice any functional or speed difference. I have a Mac Mini I bought a while ago as an inexpensive dev box, which I'm using to port my game to OS X. I actually see the lack of significant changes as a *good* thing, and hope it continues. It means that Apple considers the desktop functionality and design to be stable, and has no need to radically alter
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I wont say it's drastic but on the 2.4 Core2Duo based Macbook the difference between 10.10 and 10.6 is noticeable. On my Quad i7 Mini that came with Lion I can't really tell the difference between 10.7 and 10.10 but then I think 10.7 might have been the most noticeable drop in performance. It's not a huge difference and really Yosemite isn't bad but all the features they've added are less than useless to me. At work we're still on Windows 7 so I can't really comment on Windows 8 but most of the people I'
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I actually see the lack of significant changes as a *good* thing, and hope it continues.
Amen! The constant chopping and changing (often for no apparent reason) on Ubuntu drove me nuts. The same with Windows, which I have to use at work (thank goodness for Classic Shell). Whilst I'm no particular fan of the Dock on OS X one good thing about it is that it hasn't significantly changed in 15+ years. Windows has done more damage with throwing out the Start Menu than Apple ever has by having a crappy dock instead of a decent task bar.
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I think there's a reason Linux Mint gained popularity, especially now with it's Cinnamon desktop. It kept things simple and traditional on the UI side, while building on what's good about Ubuntu. As PC users, we've seen the slow evolution of a fairly standard user experience on the desktop. I think there's a reason we haven't seen much "innovation" there, in a similar way to how there's very little "innovation" in the basic controls of automobiles. I think the major issues have largely been tackled, and
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Have you any idea how dumb that sounds?
Bollocks. Learning from mistakes is fine - in the lab. Releasing shit is inexcusable.
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Releasing shit is inexcusable.
Indeed - I still remember when KDE 4 was released as "production ready". Then I dragged my background out of the screen. Then users unleashed. Then one of KDE developers said: "Who needs users, anyway?" (not sure if he used the word "anyway", though...)
The KDE team backed up by stating that the users were all wrong - that the release was just for developers. As if all the previous news and blog rants were nonexistent, and as if they did not specifically tell the users that they're done with KDE 3 mainten
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"That faithful year ...."
For future reference, the commonly-used phrase is "That fateful year ...."
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Hmm, I don't remember the KDE 4 people saying that the early releases where production ready. I do remember that the KDE people use another version system. x.0, x.1, x.2 are all releases that aren't ready yet. This was the case with KDE 1.x, 2.x and 3.x. You were better of waiting for the x.3 or even x.5 release to have a production ready release. But KDE did not start as a GPL project and they didn't use the same version philosophy as GPL projects. From the nineties I still remember an interview with one o
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Some of the distros screwed up, not KDE.
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From the post I replied to: "Compiz, beryl, metro are mistakes, right? Wrong"
So which distro of Win 8 do you recommend?
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From the post I replied to: "Compiz, beryl, metro are mistakes, right? Wrong"
So which distro of Win 8 do you recommend?
Windows 10, with all of the tracking settings turned off... ;-)
Re:Change the channel, Marge (Score:5, Interesting)
That's what I was thinking... they gave me a Mac Mini at work about 4 years ago. I gave it a real try - several months, but couldn't get over the UI, and couldn't understand why people claimed to like it so much. So I powered it down and worked on my old Linux box. Then Ubuntu switched to Unity, and I was like "this again? I went back to Linux to get AWAY from this."
I think anyone can get accustomed to just about any UI, and I think we're mostly hung up on how things worked before, but unless those new "paradigms" actually prove advantageous to work, then it's not just a fear of something new or disliking a learning curve - why should I learn something new when it gains me nothing?
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You should have looked a tiny bit longer. Then you would have noticed that you can run one of a few hundred different window managers on Linux. What the distribution installer gives you as default is merely an example.
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You do not think it is worthwhile to invest a few hours into a tool that you are going to use literally for thousands of hours?
You are right, that is hilarious. Human stupidity is really boundless.
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Try FreeBSD!
I have been working with various Linux distros for over 10 years and really liked it until the recent "improvements" that have been implemented by most main stream distros.
I was a bit scared at first since *BSD always had that hardcore Unix vibe. Then I started using it for a project and it was like someone switch a light on. The file system layout makes sense and files are in consistent places, not peppered all over the file system with almost no logic to it. Services come with basic configura
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For the love of god, not this shit. Linux is all about CHOICE. Who fucking CARES what the default desktop is? It's for people literally too lazy to bother trying to find their best match. Besides Unity and GNOME3 for the tasteless brainwashed, there is always KDE4/5. If KDE4/5 is too bloated to taste, there are Cinnamon, MATE (essentially GNOME2), Trinity (essentially K
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For the love of god, not this shit. Linux is all about CHOICE. Who fucking CARES what the default desktop is? It's for people literally too lazy to bother trying to find their best match. Besides Unity and GNOME3 for the tasteless brainwashed, there is always KDE4/5. If KDE4/5 is too bloated to taste, there are Cinnamon, MATE (essentially GNOME2), Trinity (essentially KDE3) , Xfce, and LXDE. Enligtenment has its partisans too. If every one of those seem too heavy and in-the-way, you can use one of the large variety of old standby (and plenty of newer) window managers that are less than full-blown desktop environments. Some of the better-known and wiely-used ones are awesome, Blackbox, dwm, Fluxbox, FVWM, IceWM, ratpoison, twm, and Xmonad. That's far from an exhaustive list.
The choice of DE is not merely a theme or a set of configuration changes, Unfortunately there's generally not a good separation between the system utilities and the UI it runs on, so it is not just a visual change but you're throwing away most everything you'd find under the control panel of device management, disk mangement, wired and wireless network connections, keyboard and localization settings, mouse settings, bluetooth settings, display settings, sound settings, power management, user management, acc
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Linux is not about choice. Linux is about winning at all costs. systemd! pulseaudio! deprecating ifconfig. Wayland.
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Clearly false.
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Complete unadulterated bullshit. Nothing could possibly need doing LESS than "unifying" desktops and small screens. They are completely different animals, wh
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Thanks for your kind words! (b***s***).
I beg to differ, because I foresee - not actually, but it will come - the day when I take a smartphone with me all the time, and plug it into a dock at home or work, to continue where I have left off.
Currently I am not there, though I own a lenovo ('S') with docks at home and at work, so that I can carry this (still in a backpack) to wherever I go, including holidays, to always have with me what I need and want, with actual relevant data in the cloud.
This suits me tota
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I totally hate the phonification of desktops. Surefire way to get me to use something else.
As one who prefered KDE to all other linux DEs thru 4.x, but dislikes 5.x (and in my latest distro test, PClinuxOS was one of my 4 or 5 "finalists") -- now downloading the ISO of PClinuxOS-with-TDE to give it a look.
KDE5 looked to me like change for the sake of change, or because Win8 and smartphones did it, not because it was more functional on a PC. Nowhere near the sharkpit Gnome is hovering over, but still headed