There Is No .bro In Brotli: Google/Mozilla Engineers Nix File Type As Offensive
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theodp writes: Several weeks ago, Google launched Brotli, a new open source compression algorithm for the web. Since then, controversy broke out over the choice of 'bro' as the content encoding type. "We are hoping to establish a file ending .bro for brotli compressed files, a command line tool 'bro' for compressing and uncompressing brotli files, and a accept/content encoding type 'bro'," explained Google software engineer Jyrki Alakuijala. "Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus. "'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in." Despite some pushback from commenters, a GitHub commit made by Google's Zoltan Szabadka shows that there will be no '.bro' in Brotli. "I have asked a feminist friend from the North American culture-sphere, and she advised against bro," explained Alakuijala. "We have found a compromise that satisfies us, so we don't need to discuss this further. Even if we don't understand why people are upset from our cultural standpoint, they would be (unnecessarily) upset and this is enough reason not to use it."
Big Sister is watching (Score:5, Insightful)
Call it .sis or .vag, that'll work, right?
Male bad, female good?
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Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:5, Funny)
Those choices are offensive. .bro for male users and .ho for female users. That way, everyone's happy.
For gender equality, I propose a dual extension.
Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:5, Insightful)
You really need to get a sense of humor, or have you not ever heard the crude expression 'bros before hos?' It was a joke. You can laugh now.
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Code Monkeys - "Dean In Charge"
broducer
broordinator
brogramming
bromotion
brogram
brotocol
broficient
broductivity
broactive
broformance
brotally
brotocol
broceed
brodeo
brotesque
bro for it
I wish the dried up crones working in tech could get bent an loosen up a bit. This type of loser catering is about offending the majority to preserve the feelings of the minority / mentally disabled.
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Does that mean I should remove https://github.com/letsgetrand... [github.com] from my codebase now?
Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:4, Insightful)
Only the tip of the iceberg...
Remember, git is a derogatory term in England/Great Britain.
I'm sure to avoid offending people, both the git project and github will immediately change their names.
Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:5, Insightful)
And that's exactly why Linus chose that name. "I'm an egotistical bastard, and I name all my projects after myself. First 'Linux', now 'git'".
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Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:4, Insightful)
I wish the dried up crones working in tech could get bent an loosen up a bit. This type of loser catering is about offending the majority to preserve the feelings of the minority / mentally disabled.
Yep, it's SJW's to the rescue, the perpetually offended casting about for anything to get their XXXX-Large sized panties in a twist over.
Seriously, when they start complaining about files extensions, my response is simply, "FUCK OFF!"
Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:5, Insightful)
But nobody except the HR cares about your response. After all, this is a corporate-backed project, so what matters is the response of your corporate patron, in this case Google. Which, apparently, cares more about getting things done than defending some arbitrary line in sand.
Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not just sensible, it's impossible. If your whole raison d'etre is being offended, you will find something to be offended about.
Now excuse me, I need to go and turn off the ... ummm ... green cauliflower.
.vag is PS1 and PS2 audio (Score:5, Informative)
Except .vag is taken by ADPCM audio on the PlayStation 1 and 2.
Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:4, Funny)
I propose .cnt for the new extension.
Re:Big Sister is watching (Score:5, Insightful)
"I have asked a feminist friend from the North American culture-sphere, and she advised against bro,"
I asked a friend from a subgroup of the Congolese Luba people and in their dialect of Luba-Kasai "br" means "sodomise my three-year-old with a cucumber". Only three people actually speak this dialect and they're all over ninety, but still, someone somewhere finds it offensive, so your choice of "br" cannot be used as it is both offensive and racist.
I demand that you change the extension to "cutefluffybunniessoftcottonwoolwarmness", but only after polling every single ethnic group, subculture, and political and religious belief in the world to ensure that none of them can figure out a way in which it offends them.
The North American culture-sphere? (Score:5, Interesting)
Who says that?
Re:The North American culture-sphere? (Score:5, Funny)
Twats say that, Billy. Twats do.
Re:The North American culture-sphere? (Score:5, Funny)
Who says that?
Metrosexuals who think being 'feminist' will help them get laid?
Re:The North American culture-sphere? (Score:5, Funny)
Metrosexual? For fuck's sake, those damn kids and their kinks. Back in my days we didn't fuck in the tube.
Re:The North American culture-sphere? (Score:4, Informative)
Who says that?
Total fucking retards.
Re:The North American culture-sphere? (Score:5, Insightful)
Who says that?
My hunch is someone who doesn't live in the North American culture-sphere.
Re:The North American culture-sphere? (Score:5, Informative)
Hunch correct. I've met Jyrki. He's a great guy. Also - a Finn who lives in Switzerland, not an American.
Jyrki is very smart, not prone to bullshit or nonsense. He surely knows this issue is ridiculous, which is why they moved on so fast with only a minor comment about "not understanding why people are upset". There are more important things to do in life than argue with people who are wrong on the internet.
(irony of me posting this to slashdot well understood)
What next? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What next? (Score:5, Funny)
Oh noooo. Don't forget the man pages.
Better prerapre for person pages now...
Re: What next? (Score:5, Interesting)
You're too late.
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/FreeBSD's_man_page_misogyny
Note the example there with gendered terms... Is being called fucking HATRED OF WOMEN.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7121268.
Bro pages (man pages with example) are raked over the coals
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Man-Page/
Man pages now have disclaimers to explain that man is short for manual, so please don't be offended
This HOWTO explains what you should bear in mind when you are going to write on-line documentation -- a so-called man page -- that you want to make accessible via the man(1) command. Throughout this HOWTO, a manual entry is simply referred to as a man page, regardless of actual length and without sexist intention.
Re: What next? (Score:5, Insightful)
OMG 0xCAFEBABE IS SEXIST. Not!
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womyn [wikipedia.org]
womban
womon
wimmin
Re:What next? (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually one of the first "better man page browsers" I ever installed on unix systems (around 1990) was called "woman".
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Don't forget the man pages
Don't tell them.
Welcome to the age of being offended by everything. Seriously, some people are actively searching for things that they can feel offended by, aren't they?
Re:What next? (Score:5, Funny)
FAT has to go. It will be replaced by the CURVY table.
"man pages" are now "person pages" and include a provision to reword everything to a gender neutral wording.
"cat" is no longer acceptable due to the outcry of people allergic to feline fur and is now "domestic_animal". Softlinks to "cat" may be permissive if the owner of the system can show that no allergic person could ever be subjected to the computer, which means that laptops, tablets and the like must not use such a symlink.
It will no longer be able to use the "force" option in commands. Such behaviour is unacceptable and the option is now being ignored by the command and its use logged, with mandatory monthly reviews to correct such behaviour in users who continue to try to use it.
"sendmail" is no longer acceptable due to the obvious gender bias and is renamed "sendmessage".
The "touch" command may only be used on files the creation date of which is longer than 18 years in the past and where the user is in the touch_permitted database of the file. By default touch is not allowed until the program explicitly allows it to a certain user.
"LaTeX" is no longer to be used due to environmental concerns.
"kill" has always been a command of great concern and is now entirely limited to use for root only, who may only execute it after the process has been deemed required to be killed by at least 12 other processes running.
"history" has been completely rewritten and will now be "herstory".
abort() is now choice()
And finally, XWindow is now NC-17Window.
Re: What next? City of Los Angeles: Master/Slave H (Score:3)
A brave and stunning decision (Score:4, Funny)
Even PC principal says .bro
I guess they just didn't want to throw down.
Just change one letter (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously? (Score:3)
Is anyone going to do something about Symbian's SIS [wikipedia.org] file format? I feel unfairly pressured and discriminated against, and I demand that Nokia immediately change it. Right now.
I feel it ungentlemanly to swear, and so I apologize most sincerely, but this is fu**in' ridiculous.
Re:Seriously? (Score:4, Funny)
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Seriously? (Score:4, Interesting)
Have the claims of victimhood progressed so far that this is considered offensive? Wow.
Fuck those shrieking harpies. /yes, I am being offensive on purpose.
Re:Seriously? (Score:5, Insightful)
We're offended that open source projects have to waste time considering this kind of PC femi-nazi stupidity, and moreover that they then cave into it.
The 1980s called... (Score:5, Insightful)
...and they want their 3-letter filename extensions back. Seriously, "br" would be fine, as well as "brot" or even "brotli". It amazes me that, 20 years after MS/DOS basically reached its end-of-life, people are still thinking within those constraints.
EFI, the NEW boot standard, requires FAT 8.3 (Score:4, Informative)
EFI is the new boot standard, which will probably be the standard for 30 years or so. It boots from a FAT volume. On FAT, the real file names (which must be unique) are 8.3. Long "names" are stored as a secondary attribute of the file. Thus, three-letter extensions are still a major standard, and will be for decades.
Re:EFI, the NEW boot standard, requires FAT 8.3 (Score:5, Informative)
EFI is 20 years old, it's hardly a "new" standard. And if you look into current version's (UEFI) specification 12.3.1.2:
http://www.uefi.org/sites/defa... [uefi.org]
you will see that filesystem used on ESP supports long file names.
So please stop disinformation.
Dump your outrage here (Score:3)
I invite posters to list below everything that offends. I expect a long list, so I'll start the ball (!) rolling:
The Minnesota football team perpetuates the stereotype of violent northern Europeans, bent on raping and pillaging. Their name and mascot must be banished - they are deeply offensive and racist.
Re:Dump your outrage here (Score:4, Insightful)
I invite posters to list below everything that offends. I expect a long list, so I'll start the ball (!) rolling:
I'm really, DEEPLY offended that some random people on the internet decided to change a file extension for a file format I have never used and have no say in. It offends me to my very core for reasons I can't fully explain.
Yes, I am being sarcastic about a large number of comments on this thread from the permanently offended crowd.
It's a file extension and it's not yours. Person gets to change it if he likes for any reason he likes. Don't like that it's not ".bro" any more? Well, your only recourse is to whine all over the internet about it.
This is insane (Score:3, Insightful)
Centuries ago, you got into serious problems if you ran around claiming you have a mission to fulfil the devil gave you. Now, this gets replaced by feminism, and everybody who doesn't join in the holy movement is an infidel who should be punished. The level of intolerance towards people who aren't "feminists" is raising and raising.
If they really wanted to help women, they should go to india, help solving its rape problem, or to saudi arabia, where women get stoned when they sleep with men who aren't their husband.
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Agreed, these two points are better.
Marital rape is unpunished in saudi arabia as well.
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A white officer shooting a black suspect isn't a problem. It becomes a problem when the shooting has no legal justification, such as when the suspect is unarmed and posed no immediate threat. It becomes a racial problem when people start to notice that this situation occurs a lot more often with black victims than with white victims.
Oh for FUCKS sake (Score:5, Funny)
Damn feminists, grow a pair!
What have we come to? (Score:4, Insightful)
Political-correctness gone insane .. (Score:5, Interesting)
A timeline... (Score:5, Insightful)
Frat boys call each other bro, such that it becomes part of a stereotype.
Feminists start using the word as a slur to evoke the stereotype in order to ridicule anyone they perceive as too masculine.
People start using bro ironically in a totally different context.
Feminists lose their shit and call *that* "offensive".
I'm guessing what they're really upset about is their insult losing its negative connotation.
I find this news offensive (Score:3)
YOU HAVE A GENDER PROBLEM (Score:3)
"Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus. "'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in."
Patrick, YOU are the one with a problem.
We need to stop this crap (Score:3)
People conceding to irrational objections, just because it will avoid bothering unreasonable people.
Why? Because it sets a detrimental precedent that other developers should do the same.
Then suddenly, we're going to have to get rid of programs like "Bash" as a login shell, because it sounds so violent.
Also, "Master Slave" clustering/replication schemes are going to need to be renamed, because the reference to 'Slave server' may offend people.
Oh the irony (Score:3)
The rational thing is to change the extension to something neutral. It's just a technical detail and does not matter that much, so it's sensible to just be polite to those idi... humans who feel there is a problem.
Of course once you're polite, you get a bunch of other idi... humans saying they find the change of the extension without a technical reason offensive, and would like it changed back, failing to understand that they want it changed back for an equally non-technical "feel-good" reason.
Oh the irony.
Obviously it would be different if there was a good technical reason to demand just that one particular extension, but there isn't. It'd also be different if the new extension (instead of the act of changing it) was potentially as offensive.
Fixed article summary (Score:5, Insightful)
replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus
Pretty sure that should read "replied Mozilla SJW engineer Patrick McManus"
Re:Fixed article summary (Score:4, Funny)
He will have to change his name to Patrick McPersonus. McManus is offensive.
brother, bread, brot, brotli (Score:3, Informative)
Brot means bread in German. In some German speaking regions brotli means little roll. The world doesn't have English as mother tongue.
I'd say keep .bro (Score:3)
And we'll explain in the man page why it's called .bro...
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Insightful)
Or failing that, perhaps they could not read gender politics into a three letter file extension.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Funny)
God was niggardly with the sense of humor dispensing.
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Let's move on to the less controversial topic of Niger and Nigeria. What are the citizens of those countries called?
Africans, silly.
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But that's exactly the point: Getting worked up over nothing to "draw attention to the problem". Hey, it worked for the blacks! Cry "racism" every time someone orders toast instead of brown bread and make people insecure about the most insignificant thing they do and question whether it is "morally acceptable".
BULL SHIT!
All the whole crap really did was piss me off. Yes, there is a problem, yes, we're working on it. But pissing the whole population off by forcing your problem down their throat is not going
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Insightful)
"bro' has a gender problem"
No. North America has a gender problem.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not just america. Parts of Europe have it, too.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Insightful)
rant:
I've got a one step solution to all of this:
1. Stop giving a fuck until these morons grow up and actually have a real issue to present.
Seriously, every time I read shit like this, I wonder what kind of fucked in the head woman read / heard / whatever the material. Because a rational person would not read ".bro" and immediately think of "Gender inequality!" A person who would is either seriously fucked up in the head, or out to get something by taking advantage of others. This needs to stop. It's not solving any real issue and it takes away focus from the real issues that need to be addressed. For example: Equal pay regardless of gender, better support for abuse victims, etc.
As for the sane women out there, 1. I apologize, but it needed, and still needs, to be said. 2. You need to start decrying these abusers and force them off the stage. Because for every single time you bring up a real issue that does need to be addressed, people think of these abusers and that puts them into a mindset of suspicion of intent, or just an outright unwillingness to help you.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Insightful)
Problem is you can't really ignore it. Every time some professional victim comes around whining about how much their life sucks (which their life only sucks because they think it sucks -- ask any psychologist this question, they'll agree with me) then we start getting stupid laws that make everybody else bend over backwards for the professional victims.
Take for example all of the lawsuits against businesses for not complying with ADA rules, even when the supposed "victim" didn't even try to go the business they're suing.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:4, Insightful)
I've got a one step solution to all of this: 1. Stop giving a fuck until these morons grow up and actually have a real issue to present.
Although I agree with every word that you've said, would you not agree that there might be some objection to the following file extensions:
.jew for racial profiling data
.old for genealogy data
.ass for anatomical data
.bro has not yet reached it, but clearly we are getting closer and closer.
The fact is that there does exist a border where some three letter combinations are seen as having meaning, that is the whole purpose that letters were invented in the first place. The question is _where_ is the line drawn. You and I agree that
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No. North America has a gender problem.
No, we have a statistics problem.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:4, Interesting)
I disagree - we do have a gender problem. To be acceptable to the social justice sector, males must be emasculated and impotent. I've had recent dealings with some silly cunt who occcupies a "human relations" position. She makes it pretty obvious that she doesn't like men very much, and she especially doesn't like men who speak their minds. If there are any men whom she actually approves of, then they are men who are intimidated by her.
To be fair, she doesn't very much like women who aren't intimidated, either. My boss, a female, has had some rounds with the SJW bitch as well.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Interesting)
Get a sense of humor
Friend, there is something I've been saying for decades now: The surest way to ruin a Good Thing is to get a bunch of people involved in it. That's what's happening here: There are too many people in the world, and more to the point too many people on the Internet, and it's just ruining everything for everyone because whereas it's actually a small percentage of people who might get offended at something so small, that small percentage represents a huge number of people, who are not going to allow themselves to be ignored. Case in point: I work at a large technology corporation. There is a small software tool that developers use, and a 32-bit hexadecimal value that shows up in one dialog box defaults to the hex value "DEADBEEF". Clever, right? Also harmless and not at all intended to be offensive. But someone got offended and they made them change it. Stupid, isn't it? Get enough people together and collectively they don't have a sense of humor anymore.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Funny)
My name is a trigger word.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:4, Interesting)
A few weeks ago I posted this: http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]
Usually it's nice to have an(other) example to illustrate a point.
In this case, not so much.
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:4, Funny)
Get a sense of humor.
Sorry. I hear it's surgically removed when you become an SJW.
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Sorry. I hear it's surgically removed when you become an SJW.
As amply demonstrated by the SJWs who down-modded my comment.
Still, I did hear a really funny left-wing joke the other day:
"An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a bar."
"SEXIST!"
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Insightful)
> As amply demonstrated by the SJWs who down-modded my comment.
If you are arguing that people shouldn't be so sensitive, your whining about being downmodded isn't doing your cause any favors.
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*.SJW (Score:5, Insightful)
It's so obvious, it's hard to *not* use.
Could even have an mascot of such a warrior.
Re:*.SJW (Score:4, Funny)
Saint John's Wort?
Steve Jobs Worshippers?
Single Jewish Women?
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:5, Funny)
.Bro? I prefer .Manzier .
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Indeed. Maybe I'm getting old, or just like trying to be thoughtful about how I treat my fellow human beings of whatever gender/etc, or maybe just as a British English speaker... (a) using this "SJW" term as some sort of demonisation seems unhelpful and (b) some of the comments in this story have been rank with small-minded "I'm all right Jack" selfishness. I wonder how many of those making those remarks have ever been on the wrong end of a despised (minority) grouping for any significant time?
I don't thi
Re:Dear SJW morons (Score:4, Insightful)
A perjorative label is useful when the target is not only wrong, but wrong in a way sufficiently obvious or well-known that they do not merit the time required to write a detailed refutation of their argument. Sometimes an argument is so pathetic that the correct response is not refutation but outright mockery.
The suite of arguments characterized as 'SJW' is quite wide, and a lot of them do have serious merit - for example, the 'damsel in distress' is overused in computer games. The problem with the SJW crowd is that they use overwhelmingly poor arguments, ridiculous arguments, and do so in a most obnoxious manner. As we see in this case: Someone, somewhere, cannot see the letters 'bro' used as a contraction for a type of pastry without concluding that this is actually a conspiracy of programmers in the male-dominated world of technology to intimidate females out of the field by creating a hostile work environment.
The root of the problem is one that can also be seen in many with a single-minded dedication to a religion or to another political cause. To a person who owns only a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. To a person who has made the crusade against sexism a central pillar of their identity, *everything* looks sexist. Including a .bro file extension. Same applies to race, too.
Re:SJWs, 'ten-hut! (Score:5, Funny)
Brazil is gonna have a hell of a time with the Olympics next year.
Oh, I think they'll have plenty of support...
Re:give it a rest (Score:4, Insightful)
Respect is something you earn. Whining rarely accomplishes that.
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The default position is the neutral. Listening to your argument, testing its validity and acting accordingly. Yes, dismissing your argument before it is made on grounds of your $minority_group is wrong. But thinking that it is valid because you belong to your $minority_group is just as wrong. Your argument is neither more nor less valid or important because you are you, unless there is a reason for me to consider it more or less valuable based on prior experiences with you.
Respect is something gained by sho
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I guess you're in the majority, then.
Re:What the fuck (Score:5, Funny)
Constant total IQ being spread out over an ever increasing number of people?
A better society has more ridiculous complaints. (Score:5, Insightful)
Think about it for a second. Things are so great for women in the western world that this is what generates complaints. When the complaints are I get hit with rocks trying to go to school, or they cut off my clitoris then you know you are living in a hell hole. Those women don't have time to worry about .bro extensions. When it gets down to the only complaints being file extensions it's means thing are pretty damn good.
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There are at least two serious flaws in your reasoning. 1) Just because someone else has it worse, does not mean that things are okay for another. 2) Calling attention to one problem does not imply that it is the only, or even the worst, problem.
A guy with a headache isn't unjustified in complaining about the pain just because someone else is dying from lung cancer. A guy dying of lung cancer is equally justified in complaining about a headache.
If you still don't see the absurdity, consider that your reas
Re: What the fuck (Score:5, Insightful)
The end of the patriarchy. And it is awesome. 50000 years of injustice are about to be unravelled.
Because nothing says "We're strong enough to take over!" like screaming "I need to be protected!" whenever dealing with such horrible things as "offensive file extensions".
Re: What the fuck (Score:5, Funny)
And nothing says "I'm smart" like falling for an obvious troll.
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And yet, somehow, the men of slashdot are the ones that have their panties in a bunch.
No, we just like to bait SJWs because it's such tremendous fun. The most harmless of words can make them explode into a dazzling display of insane babble... there's nowhere else you can have as much fun with so little effort.
the men of slashdot
Oh, and can I just say... SEXIST!
are the ones that have their panties in a bunch.
TRANSEXIST!
Report to the Re-Education camp for processing, Citizen Anonymous Coward.
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Re:The shouldn't have backed down (Score:5, Insightful)
GIMP is fantastic software, but it's audience is tiny relative to Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, Tinder, etc. If you're aiming at a large audience you've got to mind your PR a little better than calling your product GIMP.
The limited use of GIMP has very little to do with its name, and very, very, very much to do with its appalling, abysmal, clunky, counterintuitive user interface. For example, developers who do stupid things like removing the ability to save as anything other than GIMP's own .xcf format from the 'save as' dialog, thereby making it even less intuitive and even less compatible with any other GUI app out there.
I mean, seriously, when I have to search the web to find out how to save a .jpg with a new GIMP release, the UI is fscked.
Re:Gag? (Score:5, Insightful)
I assume the objection is a gag. Nobody is this brainless.
SJW's are, so are 3rd wave feminists. Which of course is why you now see popular culture starting to mocking them. And why 82% of women no longer call themselves feminists, [nytimes.com] rather they're following egalitarianism or something along those lines. They already know that modern feminism has a man-hatred problem, and large numbers of people see a serious problem with SJWs and their public attacks on people, and being perpetually outraged.
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You think that's bad? Linux even contains an 'unzip' command! And the poor file can't even defend itself! That's sexist! *hyperventilate*