Drone Racing League Wants To Be the Next NASCAR (bloomberg.com) 91
An anonymous reader writes: The Drone Racing League has secured a series of significant investments that it hopes will be enough to turn drone races into a spectator sport. The quadcopter drone racing scene has only exists for a few years, so it's still fairly disjointed. Rules and standards vary between organizers, so it can be hard to have fair races. The DRL aims to fix that. In doing so, it hopes to take lessons from NASCAR and the growing e-sports leagues to find an audience. "Often, pilots wear virtual reality goggles that receive a feed from the camera embedded on the drone and maneuver as if they were in the craft itself. That first-person feed is also recorded and used as raw material for the content produced by the Drone Racing League." The high speeds combined with the ability to make interesting (and photogenic) courses may appeal to people who find car racing too boring.
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Not gonna take off.
That newfangled technology stuff can't hold a candle to our hero (insert name of some guy in a space suit with more ad stickers than your average porn page). And if he can't die for our entertainment, where's the fun?
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There's no fun in watching drones do circles.
And I'm talking about the cars.
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Because it is about flying, not about radio control. Think Star Wars pod race/death star trench/etc kind of flying, rather than boring 'safe circle' racing. Remote control is just a side requirement, because you cannot make these kind of race safe enough to put people inside helicopters racing through narrow canyons, but you can accept 70% 'fatality' rate on drones.
As for existing R/C vehicles, let me guess, they were trying to recreate real race conditions as much as possible, just in smaller scale, rather
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"Because it is about flying, not about radio control."
You ever tried flying a proper R/C helicopter or plane? Its a damn site harder than a computer stabilised drone my friend.
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Yes I did. I have not actually ever tried to fly a drone yet, but that is irrelevant.
Has anybody tried to do interesting race competition with non-trivial tracks for R/C helicopters or planes?
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This is what I hinted at in my original post - that it opens possibility of doing more enclosed tracks, with things like canyons, tunnels, windmills etc, turning it into crossover between minigolf and StarWars1 podrace, rather than 'fly in circle around these sticks 5 times, fastest guy wins'.
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The real reason quadcopters are so much more popular than planes/helis for FPV racing is not ease of control, it'and that they're so much cheaper+easier to repair after crashes. Planes have fragile wings and control surfaces, Helis have lots of moving parts that need careful setup/tuning to fly well. But quadcopters... if you've got a small quad with a tough 'racing style' frame, most crashes will just break cheap and easily replaceable propellers.
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A damn site is where you're posting.
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The best FPV quadcopter pilots have some serious skills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Millennials (Score:4, Insightful)
They seem to think everything they think up is new and unique and has never been done in the history of humanity before. Drones are just a special type of R/C helicopter with auto stabilisation, but don't tell them that. They think they're an entirely new type of vehicle. Bless.
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Okay DAD. No, really, what they're doing now with real time telemetry data over miniaturized HD displays is pretty amazing. And affordable. It's a lot like where VR and 3D Printing is today vs the early 90s. It's leaps and bounds better and its finally at the point where it's about to explode to the general public.The technology leaps we are seeing on a month to month basis in the RC world is mind blowing. Since we're all computer nerds, a good analogy is right when the Pentiums came out, this is where we a
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The cheapness and ease of control of drones, I think, makes it reasonable that they've had their recent explosion in popularity and have generated a much larger following than the old RC flying clubs.
I've seen big RC helicopters, kinda wanted one, but never got around to spending the time to do the research such a big purchase would require, nor learn how to to hover and deal with the pendulum effect, etc. The ones I was looking at were gas powered and had metal rotor blades though I know they come in some
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Drones are just a special type of R/C helicopter with auto stabilisation
Racing quads do NOT have stabilization. You need to push these machines to the absolute limits in order to race, and you need complete control. You do not want the machine fighting your commands.
Don't confuse a racing quad with some cheap $49 thing. Racers are highly tuned machines that can cost over $1000.
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Racers don't turn off stabilisation, they turn off auto-level - in 'manual/acro' mode, when you centre the pitch/roll stick, the rate of rotation will be zero, rather than the absolute rotation.
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They seem to think everything they think up is new and unique and has never been done in the history of humanity before.
Yeah better be like the Babyboomers who take one generic concept and then conclude that absolutely nothing has changed in the last 50 years. Seriously I thought you'd all outgrown your teenage "I know everything" days. The current drones are nothing like they hobby remote control devices of yesteryears.
And ignoring the actual drones themselves, where's our Drone Racing League, which is what the article and the GP's post were about? Sounds like something new to me.
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Because it's "with a computer".
You just wait 'til someone figures out a way to put "on the internet" on top of that!
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They're not trying to reinvent the wheel, nor have they made any claim about inventing R/C racing. They're trying to create a business modeled after NASCAR so that they race drones as a career rather than just as a hobby.
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So? I didn't say they didn't exist.
NASCAR accounts for about a billion dollars in profits every year. The people organizing this want to try to replicate that success with drone racing. It's the ever-so-profitable business aspect that they're trying to make happen. Saying that R/C racings exists and some individuals have made money off of it in the past does not change the fact that nobody has made a major spectator sport out of it.
Taking cues from NASCAR? (Score:2)
You mean the sport where the technology used in the cars is basically unchanged in the last 50 years (I believe NASCAR is close to the only professional racing league anywhere in the world that still uses carburetors on their cars...)
Re:Taking cues from NASCAR? (Score:4, Informative)
Pro Stock dragsters use them. As do most street leagues. And hydroplanes (AKA "powerboats"). And Kart. And Rallycross. Moto. TT. Bracket. Indy.
NASCAR went from carb to DFI in 2012. Citation [nascar.com]
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I know PSD and hydroplanes use ethanol (I've been to a hydroplane comp, the smell of spiked ethanol hits you from half a mile away), don't know about the others.
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I used to go to the local short track a lot. When the open wheel cars came around you could smell the difference in the fuel they were using, just like you mention.
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a19141/bill-nye-the-science-guy-thinks-nascar-should-switch-to-electric-cars/
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Hmm... Switching NASCAR to electric engines ... the important question is, can they still explode when they crash?
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Yes.
https://youtu.be/fkP-b1ADvbk?t... [youtu.be]
Imagine this times a thousand.
Also, there's the chance of a stray chunk of metal getting lodged in the connector when swapping a battery pack and the whole thing shorts in a spectacular lightshow. The commentators could use nick names for the accidents like drunken thor, angry zeus, dragon pack, ect...
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Yes, I can see that being popular with the crowds.
Re:Taking cues from NASCAR? (Score:5, Funny)
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I think the rules don't allow something crazy like this.
Re: Taking cues from NASCAR? (Score:1)
Actually, a drone that can only turn left (on a course that turns both ways) would be awesome to watch in a race.
Is it ok? (Score:2)
Better check with Chuck Schumer to make sure its ok
Drone Air Battles . . . (Score:2)
Now that might attract an audience . . . two drones trying to knock each other out of the sky.
Sponsored by DARPA . . .
Coming soon anyway (Score:2)
Coming soon to an Amazon delivery drone near you!
Boring... (Score:5, Insightful)
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So ... what makes the sport interesting is that people are using cars that wouldn't be allowed on the road anymore due to safety concerns and that they do get killed in them?
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As an engineer, I love racing because of the work needed to balance the suspension and aerodynamics of the car to get the best setup. Of course watching NASCAR on TV isn't the same experience as being in the pits of the local short track, working with a team on their setup.
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Do you really not understand or do you just not approve and want to appear superior? On the off chance that you aren't just being a jerk, the fact of the matter is that many human beings like to experience non safe things. Whether it is merely the feeling of being not safe (e.g. roller coaster), or living vicariously through someone else doing something unsafe (e.g. NASCAR, UFC bouts, daredevils), people enjoy the adrenaline rush. Of course, I find it bizarre that I have to explain this to someone whose han
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Ok, that explains why people do it. But why the fuck watch someone else do it? I don't understand the appeal of daredevils and the like either. What's interesting about someone jumping over a canyon? Doing it yourself, ok, I can see how this could be some adrenaline rush. But watching? Please.
Do you want to tell me that it's exciting for some people to watch others on a roller coaster?
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Watching somebody do something dangerous creates tension and suspense. Watching somebody a roller coaster doesn't create tension because in general we know they are safe. (When we do it ourselves, it doesn't really matter because our own instinctive fear can override our reasoning.) But watching somebody do something dangerous where we believe a possible outcome is injury or tragedy creates emotional tension.
I find NASCAR boring as fuck, but if you don't intellectually understand the appeal of daredevils, e
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There are many thing that people find interesting that I cannot really grasp the appeal of. Most of TV for example. Why it's interesting to watch people live their life (or a fake version thereof) is something I really cannot understand in any way.
But hey, if it makes people happy... I just don't get it.
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You mean the *next* next NASCAR... (Score:2)
You mean the *next* next NASCAR... I have it on good authority from 2005 that the Rocket Racing League is the *next* NASCAR.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/s... [cnn.com]
Fun (Score:2)
I would so much like to get into drone racing, have VR goggles, 3D camera on the drone... I'd have a lot of fun. But, also, I think I would quite enjoy watching VR feeds of others racing around, or even visiting/flying around interesting places. Seems like we are nearing the time when this kind of stuff could become feasible.
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Drone Wars - Robot Wars in 3D (Score:1)
The thinking of just plain old racing is limited. As pilot safety isn't an issue, taking out other drones in the course of the race ought to be thing.
Uhm (Score:3)
People don't watch NASCAR to see cars go round in a circle a few hundred times. They go to see the crashes. It's the adrenaline from the potential of an accident by having so many cars going together so closely at such high speeds that attracts people. And because the drivers are in the car and in danger the attraction is even greater. There's no way racing drones is going to recreate that when it's just a chunk of plastic on the line.
Next NASCAR title is already claimed (Score:3)
The title of "Next NASCAR" was claimed a while ago by the Rocket Racing League [rocketracingleague.com] with their manned, rocket powered aircraft.
which doesn't seem to be doing much in the way of racing nowdays.
Going to be hard to find competitors (Score:4, Interesting)
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You need a licence to do most kinds of auto racing, except for small indoor cart tracks, so it's not that different.
This could be interesting. Formula E is introducing on-track power-ups like Mario Kart next season, and even F1 has the DRS system. Drones could do all kinds of cool stuff. Remember those trick power-ups that would reverse your controls in the 8 bit era?
Pit stops? (Score:2)
So pit stops are now what...battery and rotor changes?
RC Racing is not new (Score:2)
And will never be NASCAR.
There are RC Air races already, Drones are less entertaining than a standard RC air race because the drones fucking fly themselves, it requires you point in the right direction, not actually fly. The electronics do the flying.
I've been 'racing' RC cars, boats and aircraft for literally 20 years. Drones aren't magically more entertaining thats going to draw people into it.
No one gets hurt in a drone race (no more than spectators at a NASCAR race, for certain). People expect to see
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... because the drones fucking fly themselves, it requires you point in the right direction, not actually fly. The electronics do the flying.
A racing quad is a very different machine to fly than a $49 cheapie with 6 axis stabilization.
NASCAR = Derby Light (Score:3)
In order to replicate NASCAR you'd have to replicate the ability to "bump", "rub" and mash into each other without crashing most of the time.
Rotor blade based drones will probably not cut it.
No you don't (Score:1)
simple answer - armed drones (Score:1)
Then it's like various NES racing games
Face recognition (Score:1)
If drones have Facial recognition software they'll become ultimate killing machines;