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Windows 10 Passes Windows XP In Market Share 315

An anonymous reader writes: Six months after its release, Windows 10 has finally passed 10 percent market share. Not only that, but the latest and greatest version from Microsoft has also overtaken Windows 8.1 and Windows XP, according to the latest figures from Net Applications. Windows 10 had 9.96 percent market share in December, and gained 1.89 percentage points to hit 11.85 percent in January. Maybe it will jump even faster soon, but not necessarily for the best of reasons.
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Windows 10 Passes Windows XP In Market Share

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  • Of course ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @01:22PM (#51421965) Homepage

    Because they're kind of forcing people to update, whether they want to or not.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      It's like claiming more people have health insurance when you force them to hand over their money to a private company whether they want to or not.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by creimer ( 824291 )

        It's like claiming more people have health insurance when you force them to hand over their money to a private company whether they want to or not.

        How is health insurance different from auto insurance? You're still required to hand over money to a private company whether you want to or not. But society as a whole when everyone gets insured.

        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by SirSlud ( 67381 )

          How is health insurance different from auto insurance?

          That's your thesis?

          • by creimer ( 824291 )

            That's your thesis?

            It's a good thesis. I just post my comment and watch head explodes. Nine comments in as many minutes isn't bad. Sometimes the comments are a lot worse than my thesis.

        • Re:Of course ... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @01:45PM (#51422173)

          How is health insurance different from auto insurance?

          Driving is optional. Breathing isn't.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          You're still required to hand over money to a private company whether you want to or not.

          Auto insurance isn't mandated at a Federal level. Many states do not require auto insurance, even for people owning and operating vehicles. Surety bonds are the usual alternative.

          Choosing to forego all that is hardly comparable to the fact that you now need to put a bullet in your head to avoid being fined if you don't want health insurance.

        • How is health insurance different from auto insurance? You're still required to hand over money to a private company whether you want to or not.

          I know many people who live in cities who do not own a car. So they don't pay car insurance.

          • by Holi ( 250190 )
            And dead people aren't required to have health insurance.
          • by creimer ( 824291 )

            I know many people who live in cities who do not own a car. So they don't pay car insurance.

            I currently don't own a car and take public transit to work. I pay $75 per year for auto insurance on the off chance that I might need to drive someone else's car or a rental car.

        • By design (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @01:54PM (#51422247)

          The problem here in the US is that we have neither free market health care nor socialized health care, but rather the bastard offspring of the two combined. The result is not the best of both worlds, but the worst of both worlds: the socalized part serves only to corral the sheep into the shearing barn, where the "free market" part is free to gouge them into financial ruin. The end result is that in the US, medical expenses [cnbc.com] are the #1 cause of bankruptcy -- and that's by design, my friends. All by design.

        • As far as I know, no one forces you to buy a vehicle (especially if you can't afford it). You also have a few options for motorized transportation (30cc moped, public transport, etc.) that don't require insurance. State I lived in even had the option for you to put up a bond with the state (helpful if you have a large car collection) instead of buying insurance to cover damages.

          With the present US healthcare, quite a few people still can't afford insurance, even with government subsidizes, and worse are pen

          • I keep wondering WHY everybody keeps calling it the "Affordable Care Act"... By this time, its PAINFULLY clear its the "UNaffordable Care Act"..... (shakes head)

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Wdomburg ( 141264 )

          Even where insurance is required (not everywhere, and certainly not for people who do own vehicles or drive them on public roads) that's liability insurance, due to the risk you pose to other people and other people's property. It is not a precondition for citizenship or even car ownership.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Junta ( 36770 )

          How is health insurance different from auto insurance?

          Health insurance is there to pay for *your* needs. Auto insurance is there to pay for *other's* needs, for whom you are liable.

          I think health is one of those things that doesn't go well with capitalist incentives, but there is an easy to tell difference from mandating liability insurance versus health insurance.

          • by Xrikcus ( 207545 )

            I don't know if that is a perfect comparison. I have been wondering for a long time why liability cover on US car insurance policies is so low compared with UK liability cover. Default cover at a pathetic 100,000USD instead of the 8,000,000GBP that my last UK policy had.

            I recently spent some time reading web sites suggesting how to assess how much cover you need and they suggest it based on the value of your assets. So it strikes me that while UK auto insurance is designed to have a high enough liability co

        • I don't have to have car insurance unless I want to drive on public roads. And I do not have to insure the value of the car, if I do not want to. And here in CA, I can post a $25K bond and forgo car insurance altogether (bond is the replacement for it).
          • by creimer ( 824291 )

            And here in CA, I can post a $25K bond and forgo car insurance altogether (bond is the replacement for it).

            That sounds expensive. My AAA non-ownership auto policy is only $75 per year. My last car died from a blown head gasket and a broken piston several years ago. Since my job has a sweet public transit commute, I haven't bothered with finding a replacement car.

            • Well, posting a bond is basically free - it's simply putting money in a trust account. I can withdraw the bond at any time, and get all the money back. But the point is - no need for insurance, at least in CA.
      • It's like claiming more people have health insurance when you force them to hand over their money to a private company whether they want to or not.

        Do they have health insurance? Then it is true regardless of your political feelings on the matter. Forced or not is a separate issue.

        I'm about as thrilled as most people around here regarding Windows 10 but the market share numbers are what they are. Frankly I don't really see anything in Windows 10 that is truly better than Windows 7 as far as I'm concerned, though it is a damn sight better than Windows 8/8.1. Hell I still use some XP machines and other than some security concerns I'm mostly fine with

        • but the market share numbers are what they are

          No.

          When words cease to mean what they were intended or traditionally understood to mean, people with working brains find a new lexicon. We have a name for language that continues to circulate at the hands of the disengaged: cliche.

          If the minds of the disengaged have any taste (lazy though it be, to be sure) they stock their cliche pantry with Shakespearean cliche. What the hell is a "salad day" anyway? Doesn't matter. The Bard didn't become the Bard by coinin

      • If you need a health related parallel, it's more like claiming more people use MMS than leeches. One modern snakeoil instead of an ancient one.

    • by SirSlud ( 67381 )

      Which is the way it should be.

    • by ls671 ( 1122017 ) on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @02:00PM (#51422309) Homepage

      Is this why I find that the look and behavior of my desktop have changed lately??? I can't seem to find where to click anymore to do the tasks I used to do. I had trouble and failed to upload pictures to Facebook lately while I swear I was an expert at it before.

      Also, some strange menus appear and I can't find a way to close them so I need to unplug my computer every time in order to reboot it. I asked my nephew to come and have a look at my computer next time he is in town because I am afraid I might have a virus...

      How do I find out if I am still on XP or if am running Windows 10???

      Thank you very much sir!

    • Several of my newer Intel XP based laptops have died suddendly, (no bios, no beep), meanwhile nearly all of my AMD based systems, + plus older intel PGA socketed systems still boot up(15-20 years) run older OS's.(WIn 95, Linux) with no issues.

      I suspect Intel is well aware of these LGA socket lifespan issues, and that's why they're switching to all BGA soldered in processors(2016).

      .

  • Late to the game (Score:5, Informative)

    by bondsbw ( 888959 ) on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @01:22PM (#51421973)

    Windows 10 surpassed XP back in October [statcounter.com].

    It has now passed every OS other than Windows 7.

  • Now that's a low bar (Score:4, Interesting)

    by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @01:24PM (#51421989)

    Unfortunately this is no a limbo contest. Crossing such a low bar of an obsolete unsupported os installs with a flag ship os that older os try to force on you is not impressive.

  • by bazmail ( 764941 ) on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @01:24PM (#51421991)
    Many websites are blocking Windows XP as it doesn't support stronger than SHA-1 certs so the numbers will be skewed. Win XP clients will be invisible to Net applications metrics.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Bert64 ( 520050 )

      Only if you're using IE, you can still access such sites using Firefox which has its own SSL libraries.

    • Or developers are tired of workarounds from IE specific bugs and CSS.

      Most sites are still html4 and CSS 2. Just do not want rendering bugs

    • Many websites are blocking Windows XP as it doesn't support stronger than SHA-1 certs so the numbers will be skewed.

      But not enough to matter.

      We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on-demand network of HitsLink Analytics and SharePost clients.
      The network includes over 40,000 websites, and spans the globe.
      We 'count' unique visitors to our network sites, and only count one unique visit to each network site per day. This is part of our quality control process to prevent fraud, and ensure the most accurate portrayal of Internet usage market share.

      The data is compiled from approximately 160 million unique visits per month.
      The information published on www.netmarketshare.com is an aggregation of the data from this network of hosted website traffic statistics.

      In addition, we classify 430+ referral sources identified as search engines. Aggregate traffic referrals from these engines are summarized and reported monthly. The statistics for search engines include both organic and sponsored referrals.

      These statistics include monthly information on key statistics such as browser trends (e.g. Internet Explorer vs. Firefox market share), search engine referral data (e.g. Yahoo vs. Bing vs. Google traffic market share) and operating system share (Windows vs. Mac vs. Linux market share or even the iOS market share vs. Android) The data is made available free of charge on a monthly basis that includes monthly usage market share and trends for browsers, operating systems and search engines.

      I would like to see some examples of sites which are blocking XP and draw numbers on the scale of, let us say, Amazon.com, CNN, Fox News, Disney or Universal Studios.

  • by ilsaloving ( 1534307 ) on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @01:32PM (#51422069)

    Microsoft is forcing people to update, which makes these numbers meaningless. The only people who arn't going to update are the ones with the knowledge to block it.

    This is like saying murders are way down, but ignoring to mention that you've put the entire population in straight jackets.

    The fact that despite these strong-arming efforts, they're *still* only just now surpassing XP and Win8, says a lot about how much people don't want this latest and not-so-greatest OS.

    I feel bad for Microsoft developers. When I tried the OS, I actually *liked* it. But then Microsoft had to go screw everything up with their OS-as-a-privacy-killing-service bullshit.

    • by bondsbw ( 888959 )

      It doesn't make the numbers meaningless. The meaning of the numbers are just different from what you seem to expect.

      • Well, I was thinking in terms of Microsoft using the numbers to show how much people love their new OS, which is something they love to crow about. I didn't think of other possible interpretations.

    • Microsoft is forcing people to update

      I wasn't aware that MS was forcing the update to win 10 only that it was offering it in an annoying manner that only the initiated can get rid of.

      • Someone has written a tool to automate and manage the problem:

        http://ultimateoutsider.com/do... [ultimateoutsider.com]

        And as a sister comment said, Microsoft has switched the update to "Recommended" status. It's only a matter of time before they decide it becomes Critical.

        • I imagine they would need to do something to stop it from offering it to incompatible hardware since the gwx keeps offering it to me even though my stuffs not compatible.

          • Well, Microsoft isn't even trying to block the update on incompatible machines. I've already read stories elsewhere about people running into this exact issue.

    • Microsoft is forcing people to update, which makes these numbers meaningless.

      No it doesn't. The numbers are what they are. It's not a measure of voluntary vs involuntary use. Market share is an objective fact regardless of the reason for it.

      The fact that despite these strong-arming efforts, they're *still* only just now surpassing XP and Win8, says a lot about how much people don't want this latest and not-so-greatest OS.

      No, it says a lot about how people shop on the Windows platform. Most people upgrade their OS when they buy a new machine. If what you have works then there is little reason to upgrade. I still have Windows XP machines here in my shop that will only get upgraded when they die. No reason to replace them as they work fine for their intended

      • And that's all fine and good. But if you're using anything newer than Windows XP, you are going to have to jump through hoops to NOT get upgraded.
        That means all machines released in... what? The last 10 years, give or take, are going to be forcibly upgraded to the new OS unless you know enough to stop it.

    • by gsslay ( 807818 )

      Microsoft is forcing people to update, which makes these numbers meaningless.

      This statement just shows you are thinking about the situation from completely the wrong angle. The numbers are not a way to win a popularity contest (and MS are cheating and should be disqualified!!1!111!1), they are a reflection of reality. Regardless of what causes people to migrate to Windows 10, the number show that they are migrating. If you are writing software or websites then these numbers means something very important.

      • True, however Microsoft will also use those numbers to represent popularity of their OS. Mark my words, in a few weeks Microsoft will be putting out a press release about the sudden jump in numbers, and trumpet how much people are "loving" Windows 10.

        I realize my reaction is fundamentally an emotional one. I just find Microsoft's behaviour really galling. So much for Microsoft trying to clean up their act.

    • I like 10 better than 8, but 7 JUST WORKS. 7 is not annoying, file sharing makes sense, and everything works as expected.

      With 10, file sharing is different, authentication is different, it messes with the start menu still, but golly gee things are shiny. Not a fan, but you're better off with 10 than 8.

      I've been using 7 since it's been out and I plan to keep it for a while yet. However I am getting ready to move to linux with an assortment of VMs of 7 for all my specific windoze needs. I plan to keep 7 worki

  • Of Slashdot posts...either the poor lad's working around the clock or Whipslash and the others are posting using the Tim profile.
    I understand that these things take time, but guys, if you could avoid posting Windows 10 non-stories every 5 minutes that would be an improvement.

  • All the forced upgrades hardly matter in the long run. Windows 10 is gaining market share in the same way that Windows has always maintained a high market share: Forcing their OS onto the computers people buy. The same with Apple. Look at google's ChromeOS. As soon as it was pre-installed, people bought it. Otherwise, nobody would have cared. This is the main reason Linux isn't widely adopted on the desktop. Barely any PCs or laptops come pre-installed with Linux. If it had been, all the hardware c
    • by sims 2 ( 994794 )

      Someone should tell HP they are supposed to check their software as every single hp/compaq machine I have ever did a wipe/reset with the built in recovery the hp get started wizard is slow and jittery and then after you get into windows it prompts you to allow it to check for updates from hp and the prompt promptly hangs there for a few minutes before it lets you make a selection. It's been like that for years.

    • by PRMan ( 959735 )
      Because the first thing that happens when someone brings home a pre-installed Linux machine is a phone call asking, "How do I install Microsoft Office on it?" And when the answer is, "You can't", it gets boxed up and sent back to the store.
  • by tekrat ( 242117 ) on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @03:04PM (#51422861) Homepage Journal

    I was called to a friend's house to fix his PC. He has downloaded and installed the Windows 10 update on his Win 7, HP-1100 series box. The box itself is completely stock because my friend doesn't know much about the inner working of PCs.

    Either way, Windows 10 refused to see the CDROM/DVD drive, which, being HP, is I believe is also a lightscribe burner. But I digress.

    Hardware manager took a long time to find, but once found, was useless. It's not that it didn't recognize the hardware due to a lack of driver, it's as if the hardware physically did not exist. You couldn't even force Windows to try looking for it because it claimed there were no hardware problems.

    So, I go to HP's website to try and find a driver that would force Windows to admit a CD drive existed. HP's site offer to diagnose my PC's problems. I let it. Animated graphic cycles for what seems like a day, and then I get the wonderful message "An error has occurred, please try again later" Bullshit -- this has probably never worked, but HP won't admit that. I try and manually find the driver based on the Box's model.

    There are no drivers available for this machine. At least, nothing for Windows 10. How is this possible?

    I was unwilling to take apart the machine to find the type of CD drive it is (assuming HP had marked anything), so, with little choice left, I had Win 10 degrade itself back to Win 7.

    After 30 minutes of that; we were back to Windows 7 and the CD drive worked as expected.

    Windows 10 is a piece of shit, and it's apparently an unsupported piece of shit. Why are there no drivers or any way to force Windows 10 to look for a common piece of hardware? a CD/DVD drive? That's like not recognizing a mouse.

    • by PRMan ( 959735 )
      Or you could spend $20 on a new DVD burner. Seriously, this is a non-issue if HP used some cheap piece-of-crap that doesn't have a standard interface and made it work on Windows 7 with band-aids and duct tape.
    • That's interesting. We have a laptop here that after the Windows 10 upgrade also has a non-functional CD drive. I haven't bothered trying to fix it because frankly we haven't used the drive in about 3 years. But interesting to see this isn't an isolated problem.

      Weren't CD drives handled generically anyway?

    • by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @05:39PM (#51424383) Journal

      It's probably a CD on a PATA interface that's not supported by Win10. That would cause the drive not to show up at all. You may have an error elsewhere showing a controller not supported. I'd swap out the drive for a modern SATA DVD or blu-ray drive, either plugging it into an open SATA port or putting in a SATA controller card if none exists.

      Oh, who am I kidding? I wouldn't do that. I'd just backrev to Win7 like you did. Win10 doesn't have anything worth having that justifies screwing with the hardware.

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