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Windows 10 Updates Are Now Ruining Pro-Gaming Streams (theguardian.com) 500

An anonymous reader cites a report on The Guardian: Perhaps there's nothing more annoying than going in for the kill to suddenly be "pooped on" by a Windows 10 automatic installation taking out your computer mid-stream to your 130,000 or so followers. After deciding to advertise during the weather by attempting to automatically install midway through a forecast, Windows 10 is starting to wreak havoc with gamers. Ex-professional Counter Strike player turned full-time streamer Erik Flom was rudely interrupted mid-game and live on Twitch by Windows 10 automatically installing on his PC. "What. What!? How did this happen! Fuck you Windows 10!" Flom said. "Oh my God! You had one job PC. We turned off everything. Update faster you fuck!"
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Windows 10 Updates Are Now Ruining Pro-Gaming Streams

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  • oh crap (Score:5, Funny)

    by ambisinistral ( 594774 ) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (lartsinisibma)> on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:04PM (#52046567) Homepage
    I would post an answer, but my Windows is updating
    • If that was true, you wouldn't have been able to post a comment. Therefore, you must be using a Mac.
    • by wbr1 ( 2538558 )
      So...
      #@4(^&6...CARRIER LOST

      Becomes...

      REBOOT... Your files are right where you left them!

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by cayenne8 ( 626475 )
      Uncontrollable Windows updates aside.

      I'm trying to wrap my head around the concept of people not just making a little side money, but actually apparently a few making a decent living by streaming themselves playing fucking video games?!?!?

      I mean seriously...people are paying people to do this?

      Wow. I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't suffer anyone that making a buck any (legal) way they can, but really...someone can make up to and over 6-figures just by playing video games?

      Who the fuck is PAYING these f

      • Re:oh crap (Score:5, Insightful)

        by thinkwaitfast ( 4150389 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:39PM (#52047101)
        The same (or equivalent) people paying thousands of dollars to watch people run around with a real ball.
      • Re:oh crap (Score:5, Insightful)

        by SpankiMonki ( 3493987 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:41PM (#52047125)
        I feel the same way about golf.
      • Re:oh crap (Score:5, Informative)

        by lgw ( 121541 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:08PM (#52047405) Journal

        Who the fuck is PAYING these folks to sit and watch them...???

        Last year, more people physically traveled to a stadium to watch the League of Legends finals than did so for the College basketball finals.

        Think about that a bit.

      • Viewers can subscribe to streamers for $5 a month. Part of which goes to the streamer. Subscribing gets you custom emotes and higher priviledges and perks on the site and elsewhere.

        Most of these streamers also post content on Youtube. If the subscribed numbers get high enough, they can make a pretty penny from Youtube videos.

      • Re:oh crap (Score:5, Interesting)

        by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:31PM (#52047663)

        > I mean seriously...people are paying people to do this?

        I watch a little more professional video games in a year than I do other professional sports, though neither uses up too much of my time. Football is fun to watch, but so are pro streamers.

      • Re:oh crap (Score:4, Interesting)

        by mea_culpa ( 145339 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @06:27PM (#52049225)

        Who the fuck is PAYING these folks to sit and watch them...???

        There's an interesting documentary on Netflix about this called All Work All Play. I had no idea how big this really was. It is really interesting and exciting to see.

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Simple, it works like this. People directly communicating with people has done real damage to the marketing sites pretending to be end user focused magazines. You know the ones, bullshit reviews, crappy exaggerated stories, endlessly hyping product and on top of that selling add space on those advertisements, ads on ads. So people are comparing notes on how things actually come out, compared to those bull puckey marketing sites, pretending to be content magazines and are dropping them as they are dying, ta

    • Finally! (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Finally this is getting mainstream attention. Windows automatically updating with a big "fuck you" while you're doing work - and not even saving your fucking work - is one of the biggest most blatant lack of regard for their users I've ever seen. I shudder at how many man-years of work have been lost by this process.

  • Irony!!! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:04PM (#52046569)

    How long have Windows gamers been making fun of Linux?

  • English translation? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by awkScooby ( 741257 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:06PM (#52046589)

    After deciding to advertise during the weather by attempting to automatically install midway through a forecast, Windows 10 is starting to wreak havoc with gamers.

    ????

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:08PM (#52046607)

    That's Windows 10, great new OS with improved abilities, able to annoy users even before it is installed.

  • by Pseudonymous Powers ( 4097097 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:08PM (#52046615)

    "Hello, user. Windows here. Listen, I really need to shut down to update myself. Would you like me to do that immediately? Or would you like to be reminded again in four hours?"

    "Remind me again in four hours."

    "Gotcha, see you in four hours."

    [Ten minutes later.]

    "Hello, user. Windows here. Listen, I really need to shut down to update myself. Would you like me to do that immediately? Or would you like to be reminded again in four hours?"

    • "Hello, user. Windows here. Listen, I really need to shut down to update myself. Would you like me to do that immediately? Or would you like to be reminded again in four hours?"

      "Remind me again in four hours."

      "Gotcha, see you in four hours."

      [Ten minutes later.]

      "Hello, user. Windows here. Listen, I really need to shut down to update myself. Would you like me to do that immediately? Or would you like to be reminded again in four hours?"

      Mine's doing that at the mo, what happened to remind me tomorrow? Anyway it's a work pc and I have no admin so the updates fail to install anyway.

  • ... pissing off its customer base, one customer at a time.
  • by roninmagus ( 721889 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:09PM (#52046631)
    if it's a video, use something made for video. Here's a youtube link to the event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Unlike Linux, where its elitist pricks tell users to RTFM, us Windows users are superior. We just blame the user for being a fucking retard and not selecting the clearly defined "Don't update to Windows 10" option that's not there, and when they manage to hack the registry to disable the update, Microsoft just reverts the setting anyway!

    Windows > Linux

    • I'm waiting until after the end of July and reports of the automatic download and 'upgrade' stopping before booting up either of my two windows machines... one, my laptop, is running 8.1 with a 3rd party shell... the other is running win7 pro...
  • I'm totally guessing here, but I would assume this was able to be captured because he has a separate machine for gaming vs. streaming so that the streaming software would not take CPU cycles from the game. It could also mean that when he said he "turned everything off," he did so for the streaming PC, but maybe not the gaming PC.

    Part of me wants to say it's his own damn fault, thought who knows, Windows seems to have no problem changing its own settings after updates.
  • by pezpunk ( 205653 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:19PM (#52046795) Homepage

    on my wife's laptop, it had been asking her for months if she wanted to upgrade to Windows 10, and she kept clicking no thanks. Well, last week it tried a new tactic -- it said "do you want to upgrade to Windows 10 now, or later?" she picked "later" (meaning never), but the thing dutifully upgraded to Windows 10 once she walked away! i guess it figured it was "later" and had her permission. (and yes of course she fucking hates it, it adds nothing of value!)

    nasty trick, Microsoft!

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:36PM (#52047043)

      GWX Control Panel FTW.

      http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

      You know your product sucks when other people create and distribute code to prevent your product from succeeding. Tobacco vendors get more love.

    • The way it got me was it popped up the "pssst. wanna update to Win10?" when the signal from my brain to click was travelling to my finger. It started updating before I figured out what happened.

      I want my Win8 back, Win10 has nothing major wrong with it, just a bunch of minor things that add up to a real PITA. Updating/rebooting when my laptop is closed is at the top of the list, pisses me off everytime I open the laptop in the morning and find out all my programs are closed.
    • do you want to upgrade to Windows 10 now, or later

      reminds me of that great Bugs & Daffy cartoon quote [imdb.com]:

      Bugs Bunny: Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home?
      Daffy Duck: Shoot him now! Shoot him now!
      Bugs Bunny: You keep outta this! He doesn't have to shoot you now!
      Daffy Duck: He does so have to shoot me now!
      [to Elmer]
      Daffy Duck: I demand that you shoot me now!
      [Elmer shoots him.]

  • So is there a way to disable it?

    I have Pro so I used the group policy to let me choose whether I want to install updates and when to install them.

    But the huge fullscreen nag screen that takes over your entire windows session and cannot be dismissed still pops up.

    There *has* to be a way to disable this, or you're going to start seeing these nag screens appearing on more news/weather broadcasts/internet streams/airport displays/etc worldwide as windows 10 continues to roll out.

    Fuck, imagine getting it on an A

  • PHB: any one catch that pro-gaming stream that got interrupted by a windows 10 update? pretty absurd wouldnt you say?
    engineer: The machine that controls card readers has been updating all night and our first shift team cant relieve third shift. Windows 10 is turning out to be a pretty ridiculous product.
    Janitor: you said it guys, Thanks to these unscheduled windows 10 updates my timecard hasnt properly submitted in nearly a month!
    Operator: Yeah, and dont get me started on the SCRAM/status panel for the reactors. Im mostly controlling the whole thing from my geiger counter. but hey, best windows ever am i rite?!
  • I had made my Windows 8.0 install work nicely for me. It never pestered me to upgrade to 10, but I need security updates. I never installed 8.1 because I didn't want to risk the stability of my Laptop that was working just fine. So, last month, I got new drives and installed Ubuntu 16.04. I'm going to miss the Windows-only games on Steam that I never played anyway. Still working out some minor annoyances, but it has been working well for me so far.
    (Anybody know how to make the alt key keep the menu ope

  • Never check for updates (not recommended).
    • Actually that's the problem not the solution. It looks like this is the "Fall Update". You can defer a patch for up to 6 months. It looks like he just hit the 6 month mark of deferring all upgrades.

      The real solution isn't to never check for updates, the real solution is to periodically actually install updates when it's convenient to do so. Updates are like peeing. You can hold it for a while, but it's smart to go when you have a minute or else you're liable to piss yourself at an inopportune time

  • . This is Windows 10 saying, you ARE the product, and we own your a$$. I'm so happy I didn't get windows 10. Want this to change, tell the pinheads at Dell, Asus, Lenovo, HP or anyone else you even things of getting a PC from to offer Windows 7 as an option on ALL models or you'll build your own, which is quite easy these days. NewEgg.com is a convenient place to get parts. For those who want to use something with more power/trustworthiness, Linux comes in many flavors. For beginners I recommend Linux Min
  • I love Windows 10! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:05PM (#52047377)

    people used to ask "why don't you use windows?" but since Windows 10 started pestering everyone, people actually ask serious questions about switching to Linux. :D

  • Dear Microsoft, (Score:5, Interesting)

    by marked ( 67057 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:47PM (#52047825)

    As a somewhat hardened veteran of software installation, and the unbounded stupidity that arises from boneheaded mistakes that occur, I would like to point out the following:

    Windows 10 Update installation does not follow the guidelines for updating as explicitly laid out in your software, that is "we will update when you are not using the computer". To help matters further, we will specifically exclude during the following hours "8am to 5:30pm".

    So WHY THE FUCK WAS THERE AN UNCONTROLLED INSTALLATION OF AN OS UPDATE AT 4PM TODAY DURING THE TIME I WAS ACTIVELY USING THE SYSTEM? And when I say uncontrolled, it was not "oh click later to install, it was "we are rebooting now to install, OK". No deferral, no postponement, just instant notice.

    Not to mention that the reboot occurred during a very intense multiplayer fight that I was the host of, which effectively drop-kicked several players out into the ether without me being able to contact them to let them know what was going on.

    Did you mean 8am - to 5:30pm my local time, or that of the Microsoft HQ, in sunny whereever? It is bad enough that games developers can't actually remember how many days there are in April, yet to fuck up simple time management for updating has to be some fairly serious mismanagement on the part of senior design leads.

    Or could it be that it completely ignores it like the boneheaded mechanism that only allows 10hour "active" windows slot, because there is no possible reason why people at home could not be using it from 7 in the morning until midnight? or am I completely in the dark about usability that requires a 14 hour window to update on a daily basis?

    Of course to further the boneheaded-ness it completely fucked the graphics drivers, where it greenscreened just at idle on the desktop - to the point I had to continuously reboot until I could get to the stage where I could get a CMD prompt up and manage to type "shutdown /o /r /t 1" to get a relatively swift reboot into a mode where I say yes, I want to run a troubleshooting step, and reboot, and then select safe mode, and then reboot into it.

    Not to mention that it has been a known problem with the graphics drivers since the last update, and putting it down to "it is the responsibility of the driver manufacturers (Microsoft Engineer)" is disingenuous at best, as MS is supposed to have WHQL'd the drivers, which means that MS should have caught this problem much earlier in testing during the automated build and test phase.

    To top that then off, I can't run Microsoft EDGE because the "built in administrator account can't run it".... I can't run explorer because you've managed to switch of the command searching in the cortana interface, which means that I can't run taskmanager, command, etc. What stupidity of a design decision managed to get authorised to create this situation?

    The insider fast ring is supposed to be a way to bring light problems that exist in interaction with components. Fucking with AMD graphics drivers in this way isn't an acceptable manner of implementing software best practices.

    Now I have to spend an hour fucking around with Device driver uninstaller, because in the infinite wisdom, you've managed to disable any ability of the driver software to recognise that there is an installed device, so of course the programs bomb out with a "no recognised device" so we won't do anything remotely sensible like uninstall the graphics drivers. Then I have to spend an hour waiting whilst I roll back the installation, then reinstall drivers, then reboot, reset up profiles, and ... then reboot again. That is a considerable amount of unnecessary reboots as you rush to get untested, useless additions out into the population.

    Yours,

    Entirely Hacked Off

  • by GrahamCox ( 741991 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @07:31PM (#52049601) Homepage
    This happened to me last week. I wasn't streaming or anything, but I was playing Dirt Rally. It was an online stage, which you only get one shot at per day. 30 seconds in, W10 decides it needs to do some upgrading right then, so it collapses my game into a window, throws crap all over the screen and forces a restart. Afterwards, due to Dirt Rally policy of disallowing a stage restart if the game is exited mid-stage, I was unable to have another shot at it. In the overall scheme of things it matters very little, but I was absolutely blown away by the sheer chutzpah of the OS doing that.

    I'm a Mac guy, and only use W10 to run this game - it's nothing but a launcher as far as I'm concerned. Macs may be many things (and a great gaming platform isn't one of them, hence I have a PC for that), but I can't imagine a Mac ever doing something this obnoxious. If they ever do, that's the end of me upgrading for sure.

    If anyone knows how I can disable this I'm all ears. I have everything else disabled that I can see - location, Cortana, etc, etc, but it STILL thinks it knows better.
  • People seem to think that it is windows TEN that they're getting, when 10 is binary, pure and simple. That is why the question posed to the user is always 1-Yes 0-No There is really no representation for 'later' in binary. MS should simply post the EULA as the real question, with the usual two choices at the end: Agree or decline. This way, you are already familiar with the deception er I mean the EULA, and can respond accordingly

  • by Gumbercules!! ( 1158841 ) on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @09:45PM (#52050069)
    The article talks about an automated Windows 10 installation and quote: "Regardless of how good Windows 10 might be and how automatic installs boost user numbers, forcing it down the throats of unsuspecting gamers, weather people and workers isn’t exactly going to breed goodwill among Windows users" but it's very clearly just a Windows Update on a machine already running 10.

    You may say this is a minor distinction: the PC still rebooted when he didn't want it to - but it's still shoddy journalism with an obvious axe to grind. This isn't a case of Windows being forced down someone's throat - it's a case of a normal Windows Update, which would have been warning him for hours of the pending reboot and he had the opportunity to disable.

    Furthermore, how did Microsoft get into the position of forcing reboots for updates on people? Because people ignored updates, otherwise, resulting in millions of unpatched XP boxes and everyone blaming Microsoft. So Microsoft is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

    As much as I hate the forced reboot effect of patches, I know how we got to this point and I understand why it's like this. Microsoft updates do warn you and allow you to put the reboot off for 1 or 4 hours (repeatedly) so again, I think he had some opportunity to prevent this. Additionally, he's effectively a "professional sportsman", so he should know his equipment. It's not like you cannot turn off automated updates. He should have done that. If his job revolves around needing his PC to not be interrupted in real time, he should have taken the simple steps required to make that happen.

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