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Xiaomi Launches Foldable Electric Bike QiCycle At a Price Of $450 (indianexpress.com) 138

Xiaomi on Thursday unveiled its first ever electric bike -- the QiCycle Electric Folding Bike. The bike, made of carbon fibre, packs a host of sensors and weighs just 7kg. From a report on IndianExpress:QiCycle has an integrated electric motor, which can be used for propulsion. The bike is powered by 250W-36V electric motor, and uses Torque Measurement Method (TMM) to assist the rider's pedal-power. It comes with Shimano Gear Shifters to let users switch gears based on the terrain. It also has a bike computer display to show all the fitness-related parameters such as calories burned, distance traveled, speed, etc. Xiaomi says the QiCycle has a large Panasonic 18650 battery, which can last up to 45 kms on a single charge. Qicycle can be folded and kept in the trunk of a car.The QiCycle is priced at roughly $450, and is currently only available for sale in Chinese cities.
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  • by Anonymous Coward

    its 18mm by 65mm, the 0 means its round. the bike probably has a battery pack with much more than just 1 single 18650 in it...

    • as i pull the same battery out of my vaporizer (or douche kazoo as some like to call it) i made a wat face. why is this news?
    • It's 36V, so it almost certainly has 8 or 9 18650s in series.

      • Correcting myself - it seems to have two sets of 10 in parallel, total of 20.

        • by Yvan256 ( 722131 )

          Only twenty 18650's to get a range of (up to) 45km?

          • Well, it's only pedal assist... and it's the marketing from a Chinese company. So...

          • Motor is rated at 250W and 36V, or around 7A. Battery is rated at 58Ah at around 3.7V, or 215Wh. So yeah, less than an hour of run time at full output. That seems about right, actually. You will need to put in a fair bit of energy to get to 45km.

            • by dougmc ( 70836 )

              250 watts is a lot of power.

              100 watts is enough to get a typical cyclist to around 15 mph on level ground. (Assuming 100% efficiency, which is overly optimistic, but not too far off for an electric motor.) Going up to 250 watts wouldn't increase your speed by that much -- maybe 23 mph? Mostly the extra power would be useful for hills.

              If you keep your speed down to 15 mph (treat it like a bicycle rather than a moped) it would last a good deal longer, and of course by pedalling you can get a lot more dista

              • treat it like a bicycle rather than a moped

                In many places, e-bikes are not even allowed to behave like mopeds at all (I believe that 5/6 pedal assist is the legal maximum in Europe, for example).

                • by Yvan256 ( 722131 )

                  Do you have a link about that? The PodRide project on IndieGogo could use that kind of information.

                  • But in Switzerland [www.tcs.ch] (geographically in the middle of Europe, but not quite exactly part of EU) :

                    - if it goes under 25 km/h, and has a maximal power of 500W, it's considered as a bicycle (with power-assistance. Meaning that you need to turn the pedal for the electric motor to help you).
                    There's no peculiar registration required, nor special insurance.
                    Any one above 16 can freely drive them (special moped driving license required for kids between 14 and 16).
                    Helmet are just strongly recommended for bicycles.

                    - if

    • That's the part that confused me. I am pretty sure a single 18650, such as those used in my flashlights, isn't enough to power a bike for 45 kilometres.

  • Can I just cruise around on it without pedaling? I have shitty knees but would like something to run up to the corner store or cruise the neighborhood. Motorcycles are too expensive. I'm a cheap bastard.
    • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Thursday June 23, 2016 @11:03AM (#52374371)

      Electric assist may be nicer on your knees better than normal bikes. Or if you live in Escher's world you can just coast downhill and then downhill back.

      • When you are standing on a sphere, everything is downhill. We are precariously balanced on top.

      • I actually rode as a passenger on one of these electric bikes in Zhongshan, China. It was operating as a sort of taxi. My (at the time) Chinese girlfriend wasn't sure that they were strictly legal but you could use them go around downtown for short distances and they were cheap. I'd estimate that it got up to somewhere around 25-30 MPH which equates to 40-48 KMH. I didn't feel all that safe as a passenger in it and it's not something I'd do again, but she wanted to use it so we did.
      • Or if you live in Escher's world you can just coast downhill and then downhill back.

        That's the world we'll all be living in in the future, apparently - judging from the fact that it used to be uphill both ways in the past.

  • the increasingly common chinese government backdoor for data collection? A technology appliance from China somehow feels incomplete without it.
    • You are naive if you don't think non-Chinese equipment has their own backdoors.
    • the increasingly common chinese government backdoor for data collection? A technology appliance from China somehow feels incomplete without it.

      You probably find it incomplete because you are used to american hardware... ;-)

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It's interesting that we have not found any of these back doors. I mean, some surely exist, but none have been publicized. Only a few instances of gross incompetence, nothing you could point to as being a sophisticated back door created by a government level entity.

      Either they are really good at hiding them or they don't bother on export equipment. I'm thinking maybe the latter, because they can just force Chinese companies to cooperate with them and hand over data they have anyway, so a back door is kinda

  • Thats cheap (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Thursday June 23, 2016 @10:35AM (#52374131) Homepage Journal
    I went to an ebike store and the guy was showing me bikes in the range of $4,000-$6,000. Who would pay that much? Ridiculous. You know they are being manufactured in China for $200.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      It is not how much it costs, it is how much people can afford to pay. For the average Chinese resident 3000 Yuan can easily be their entire wages for the month. So here they price the bikes accordingly. It is just like you can buy a new car for $15000 or you can buy a Ferrari for several hundred thousand. The cost to assemble a Ferrari is more expensive but not 10 times more expensive.

      • Obviously. My point is who would pay $6,000 for an ebike? Ridiculous.
        • The same people who pay $10,000 for an unpowered bike.

          It's all about impressing their peers. They make an impression on the rest of us too, but that one is not so good.

          • Envy cloaked in contempt.

            • You think I envy someone that stupid?

              I bet you think I envy people who spend $10k+ on watches too?

              It's not how much you earn, it's how much you keep.

              • If they've got 10k to spend on a watch, they've probably kept more than you have too.

                • Doubtful. Most of the upper/upper middle class people who have actual liquid assets in the US don't go around wasting $10k on a watch.
                  • Whatever you need to believe to feel better about yourself...

                    If you do it silently, people won't pick on you about it.

                    • What a joke. You must go to the ghetto and think "boy these people are so rich. Look at all that jewelry they wear"!
                • Your eyes are clamped shut.

                  Look around you. Apartment complexes full of brand new cars. 40 year olds with negative net worths and $100,000+/year incomes. Programmed consumers are the dumbest people _ever_ to have lived.

                  People that spend $10k on watches are just morons. The truly rich spend much more, 10k watch is likely owned by an idiot barely making six figures.

                  Trading their freedom for overpriced trinkets. Morons.

                  • What I see right now are angry neckbeards in basement apartments eating ramen, with 50k in savings, raging against the machine, and patting themselves on the back for their superior insight.

                    • Interesting imagination you have there.

                      Now get back to work, you have payments to make. Soon you'll owe less than the things are worth. Then you can buy new things again.

                    • 50k is savings is likely more than you have if you are buying $40,000 watches. But you aren't, because you are an angry neckbeard.
                  • Well, the consumers at least imply that there's someone to work for. The things you buy give other people their jobs. But, yeah, $10k watches are kind of ridiculous.
          • by b0bby ( 201198 )

            I have friends with ~$5000 bikes. For them, it's not about impressing people, they actually can tell the difference between various components. In a 100 mile race, the little things add up. There are worse hobbies.

            • Really? I'll bet your friends have 5-10lbs of belly body fat too. Saving a few grams isn't going to make a difference unless you are an elite athlete.
            • I think the difference is that those friends of yours actually do (I assume) train for and ride competitively in those 100mi races. That's not the case with the majority of people spending stupid amounts of money on fancy-pants bicycles that sit in the garage the bulk of the time.

              I could see going up to $800 for a Public Bike D8i or M7i, if I were going to commit to making my commute to work every day via bicycle. More than that is really wasted (And bike-thief paranoia inducing.) unless you are a competi

      • by eth1 ( 94901 )

        It is not how much it costs, it is how much people can afford to pay. For the average Chinese resident 3000 Yuan can easily be their entire wages for the month. So here they price the bikes accordingly. It is just like you can buy a new car for $15000 or you can buy a Ferrari for several hundred thousand. The cost to assemble a Ferrari is more expensive but not 10 times more expensive.

        The problem is that the companies making stuff want to be able to hire someone in $CHEAP_COUNTRY for $X/10, instead of someone in $EXPENSIVE_COUNTRY for $X. But then want to be able to sell it in $CHEAP_COUNTRY for $Y and in $EXPENSIVE_COUNTRY for $Y*10. Then they bitch and moan and buy off politicians in order to prevent people from buying it where it's cheap and bringing it to where it's not, while they do exactly the same thing with labor.

    • I got a suspended electric mountain bike for that... It's worth the money. It was made in Germany, and I know it cost more that $200 to make.

    • The top end of the ebike market in China is $750. Of course the ones for export are different. The Chinese domestic models look like scooters, but the export ones look like bicycles and are sleek and sharp-looking. The Chinese ebikes look like something you'd ride down to the market to pick up bread. Western bike riders wouldn't accept that kind of crappy-looking product, they want futuristic. An ebike is a status symbol you show off to show how eco-aware you are, and if it costs more, that means you
      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        The top end of the ebike market in China is $750. Of course the ones for export are different. The Chinese domestic models look like scooters, but the export ones look like bicycles and are sleek and sharp-looking. The Chinese ebikes look like something you'd ride down to the market to pick up bread. Western bike riders wouldn't accept that kind of crappy-looking product, they want futuristic. An ebike is a status symbol you show off to show how eco-aware you are, and if it costs more, that means you are mo

      • I can't speak for other places but you can't sell an electric bycicle in Europe unless it's an actual bicycle. So there's that. It's not about how it looks, it's about the fact that if it's not a bicycle you need a driving license for it (and you can't go where only pedestrians and bycicles are allowed, for example). At that point, convenience drops rapidly.
      • I live in a city with hills so steep that in some places they gave up on the notion of sidewalks and put in stairs. Actually, I live about halfway up one of these hills. A fairly basic electric assist bicycle would be pretty handy, especially if it folds as small as most of the folding bikes I've seen.

    • Now more than ever you get what you pay for with bicycles, which by the way a very significant portion of are manufactured in the Netherlands. In the luxury market the significant portion becomes even more significant.

      • Luxury market? You mean overpriced. It is a bike. Unless you are an elite athlete that extra $5000 isn't going to make a difference.
        • Hahahahah. Yeah. No. I'm sorry you haven't ridden a nice bike before, but if it's your daily commuter the dollars make a lot of difference in the effort and comfort of the ride. Extra bonus points for electrical assist which can be had in an horrendous after market kit for a few hundred dollars, or just buy an e-bike with battery pack and motor integrated in frames which works much better than the aftermarket addons and further makes commutes excellent.

          You won't notice much of a difference between $5000 and

    • I went to an ebike store and the guy was showing me bikes in the range of $4,000-$6,000. Who would pay that much? Ridiculous. You know they are being manufactured in China for $200.

      I know right. I was in the Apple store and they wanted $1000 for a phone, but last time I was in China I could get a ChingChong special for $20. Why would anyone pay more than that?

  • Grrrr (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 23, 2016 @10:38AM (#52374161)

    "[...] which can last up to 45 kms on a single charge.

    Sorry to be pedantic, but I really hate it when people pluralise units by adding an "s". Forty-five kilometres is written "45km". "45kms" would be forty-five kilometre-seconds, which is a rather different quantity.

  • I say bullshit. Even the lightest Brompton without e-assist is heavier than that. Drastic weight reduction methods required to bring a purely muscle-powered bike down to 7 kg - let alone a folder, and especially let alone an *electric* folder - would bring it into multi-thousand dollar price tag territories.

    So... Bullshit.

    • Yeah, I was thinking it must be made of aluminum foil or something. And they decided that it was better marketing it as a folding bike than a crumpling bike.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      It's actually mixed up information from 2 bikes. the QiBike and the QiBike R1. The R1 looks like a normal road bike, costs 3000$ and weighs 7kg and no motor. the UCI weight limit is 6.8kg so lots of expensive bikes are made to that weight (or lower, and race teams add weight).

    • Here is some info:
      http://en.miui.com/thread-2985... [miui.com]

      Single 18650 battery weights about 40-50 grams. Xiaomi states it uses 20 of them so the battery alone is about 1kg.

      The bike weight is 14,5kg.

    • by jrumney ( 197329 )
      A Brompton is heavy and overpriced. There are already much cheaper and lighter foldables available in Asia, and some of them (mostly the Japanese rather than Chinese ones) are even able to match a Brompton in quality. The high price mostly comes down to materials and quantity, so it is not surprising that a lighter bike (lower material cost) with a larger target market (thinner spread of amortised fixed costs) would be cheaper.
  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Thursday June 23, 2016 @11:00AM (#52374351) Homepage Journal

    Itsy Bitsy wheels, and minimal capacity — it's doubtful it even delivers as advertised at this size. Not useless, but not amazingly useful. The price is good, if it lasts any period of time.

    I would like a folding bike which is sized for larger-than-man-sized creatures like myself. I have a Haro X7 in the XL size and it's about spot on.

    • You want a folding mountain bike? For what? These are city bikes. Do you want a Ferrari that goes offroad too? I would say your mountain bike is not very useful either since you rarely go to the mountains with it.
      • I would say your mountain bike is not very useful either since you rarely go to the mountains with it.

        Actually, I rarely go anywhere else with it. Since it's full-suspension it's not ideal for flat ground, and the rubber it's wearing would disappear rapidly on tarmac.

        • You probably rarely use your bike at all. The point is that this is a city bike (commuter bike) that is to be used regularly. It is useful. Just not to fat suburbanites.
          • It is useful. Just not to fat suburbanites.

            I'm asthmatic, and I live in the country. I'd use my bike a lot more if it would help me out with some of the hard parts, and that would make it a lot easier to not be fat. I don't road bike because I love life.

  • FTFA: "The cycle has been developed by iRiding, a start-up that Xiaomi has invested in and the bikes are unsold under the QiCycle branding. " They are buying the bikes back???

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