Age-Discrimination Suit Against Google Seeks Class Action For Engineers (dailymail.co.uk) 144
An anonymous reader quotes the Daily Mail: A potential class action lawsuit that claims Google discriminated against people over 40 is one step closer to becoming a reality. A motion for conditional certification of collective action status was filed in a San Jose federal court Wednesday, which could open up a suit to anyone over 40 who feels they had been discriminated against by the tech company and not hired because of his or her age. The suit would include "all individuals who interviewed in-person for any software engineer, site reliability engineer, or systems engineer position with Google in the United States in the time period from August 13, 2010 through the present; were age 40 or older at the time of interview; and were refused employment by Google...."
We've discussed ageism before on Slashdot. Now dcblogs shares an article from Computerworld, which says the lawsuit alleges a "systematic pattern" of discrimination, citing the median age of Google's workforce as 29 (according to PayScale), while the median age for U.S. computer programmers is 43. "I think this is long overdue and potentially huge..." says Dan Lyons, who has complained about ageism during his time at HubSpot. "When it comes to age bias, the tech industry doesn't even bother to lie.... Everyone in Silicon Valley knows this and everyone just accepts it."
We've discussed ageism before on Slashdot. Now dcblogs shares an article from Computerworld, which says the lawsuit alleges a "systematic pattern" of discrimination, citing the median age of Google's workforce as 29 (according to PayScale), while the median age for U.S. computer programmers is 43. "I think this is long overdue and potentially huge..." says Dan Lyons, who has complained about ageism during his time at HubSpot. "When it comes to age bias, the tech industry doesn't even bother to lie.... Everyone in Silicon Valley knows this and everyone just accepts it."
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bs like we find people over X don't like to work over 50 hours a week and that is not the what we want in this office.
Re:bs like we find people over X don't work over 5 (Score:4, Interesting)
bs like we find people over X don't like to work over 50 hours a week and that is not the what we want in this office.
Wait a sec, when people think women don't want to work 50 hour weeks so get fewer promotions and less money it's all fine, because that's their lifestyle choice and they prioritize work hours over pay. But when older people don't or can't work like a 20 year old who hasn't figured out they are being exploited yet, it's unacceptable and a lawsuit is required to fix it.
Of course 50 hour weeks are ridiculous. At the moment they are mostly illegal in the EU (the limit is 48 hours, and even that can't be a constant thing). Just apply it equally to everyone.
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Except of course this is wholly different. You're talking about a women's career choice(different jobs, not wanting to work long-hours, etc) vs those wanting to work in that job and being discriminated against because the employer wants them to work long hours which are above the norm(highly skilled vs time put in), or outright refusing to hire them because of their age which is what this suit is also talking about.
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It's exactly the same. Women want to do those jobs, but are more likely to refuse putting in masses of overtime regularly, and employers worry that they might want to take maternity leave more so than men so outright refuse to hire them.
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Anyone with a brain should refuse to work longer than is allowed by law. Meanwhile we have engineers taking paternity leave at the moment.
Paternity leave (Score:2)
This is one reason that men should also get exactly as much paternity leave as women get maternity leave. It's counter-intuitive, but otherwise employers will always have that motivation to prefer men over women for positions.
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The employers never say that want anyone to work more than 40 hours, that's illegal. What I see are employees voluntarily doing this because they are misled or mislead themselves into believing they must work longer. Older workers have more experience to realize when they're being conned.
When the jobs actually require experience then the older workers get the jobs at a much higher rate. When the jobs require tedious repetition and simplistic programmer/engineering, or is a job with thousands applying for
Re:bs like we find people over X don't work over 5 (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't get paid to push buttons. I get paid to know which button to push.
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bs like we find people over X don't like to work over 50 hours a week and that is not the what we want in this office.
Wait a sec, when people think women don't want to work 50 hour weeks so get fewer promotions and less money it's all fine, because that's their lifestyle choice and they prioritize work hours over pay. But when older people don't or can't work like a 20 year old who hasn't figured out they are being exploited yet, it's unacceptable and a lawsuit is required to fix it.
Of course 50 hour weeks are ridiculous. At the moment they are mostly illegal in the EU (the limit is 48 hours, and even that can't be a constant thing). Just apply it equally to everyone.
For a delivery crunch, I did 60 hours a week for a three month period. At the end of the third month -- I had burnout. I quit that company and took a 6 week rest. Still had that obsessive compulsive 60hr work /week feeling for a long time.
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The problem is that the young'uns think they know everything. They refuse to learn anything else. So they reinvent the wheel because they refuse to acknowledge that it was already done. Or if a different young'un invents it, the other young'uns will applaud them and call it a wonderful thing and fail to notice that everyone's been using that technique for fifty years. And then they go about bragging about all the classes they skipped, all the classes that were a waste of time, and that they learned ever
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bs like we find people over X don't like to work over 50 hours a week and that is not the what we want in this office.
I'm 53 and don't mind working however many hours - whatever it takes for me and/or my team to get the job done - as long as the work is (a) interesting, (b) not padded with stupid things, like pointless scrum meeting, and (c) I don't get hassled over not doing those stupid things. Luckily, I have that environment where I work now. In addition, because of my experience, I get asked to do the difficult things that the youngsters can't (yet) do. [Note: Doing the "impossible" things usually takes a little lo
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Well, it depends. I'll work 50 hours a week if I am paid accordingly.
$150k should do it.
At least in my area, if it were Silicon Valley, it would likely be more like $500k, but I don't even know what salaries are like out there, so I could be off.
Yep (Score:5, Informative)
My company has a new program that targets "millennials". Our HR department has been very vocal about it and how they need to target things millennials want on a work environment, like game rooms and catered meals etc. Its all talked about like this great thing and the future of the company. The hype is huge. Meanwhile I'm seeing fewer and fewer people over 50 at the company.
We're a fortune 500 company. The age bias is blatant and in our faces. We are not based out of Silicon Valley either.
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Of course, because millennials have been told that they are feckless and lazy and need to work harder. "Back in my day we did 50 hour weeks, and had to walk to work, uphill both ways, for tuppence a day". And it's expected of them - unpaid internships are a thing, and even seen as the best way to get a foot in the door of competitive environments. Don't forget the massive student debt baring down on them too.
We basically set them up to be exploited because instead of trying to make the world better for ever
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Boomers had it pretty easy in the job market, with salaries that actually allowed a living. We still have it pretty good that we (ok, I at least) managed to get into the job market with a salary that allowed me to ... well... at least I got a salary right from the start! And I was hired by a company right from the start, I didn't have to go through a temp agency that sends me about like a cheap ho, here today, there tomorrow. Back in my day you could actually even get a foot in the door without degrees that
Re: Yep (Score:1)
If they spent less time in the game room maybe they could finish their work in 40 hours.
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Stop blaming Baby Boomers. The people running these companies are in their 30s to 40s and are way outside of the Baby Boomer generation. The ones shitting on millenials are people just 10-20 years older than they are.
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unpaid internships are a thing, and even seen as the best way to get a foot in the door of competitive environments.
Unpaid internships are illegal in America, and are pretty much non-existent in tech. My daughter is doing an internship this summer, and is being paid $18/hour.
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"Back in my day we did 50 hour weeks, and had to walk to work, uphill both ways, for tuppence a day"
LUXURY! [youtube.com]
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Boomers always blame the young. They seem to think it's the normal thing to do, the way their parents complained about their rock and roll music and silly clothing. But boomers are much worse, they actually hate the younger generation, as you just demonstrated.
Millennials didn't invent or popularize Javascript (they were just kids when it took off), but the have to deal with it because that's what people want nowadays. Web apps. The ones I know quietly complain about how bad Javascript is, but it's what peo
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No GC built in, but a lot of people use libraries.
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Remember we had garbage collection before Java or C++ ever existed. And yet you see idiots who seem to think that it was invented along with Java despite having such a horrible implementation, and others who seem to think reference counting is the way to do it.
I started at the university in 81, and even back then there was immense pressure for companies to turn themselves into mere trade schools. They wanted graduates who had entry level oriented skills. They complained that the intro level course taught
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And actually, they all know C++ in my experience, it's just not the best language any more for most tasks. It sucks for embedded because of memory management and garbage collection
That doesn't sound like the C++ I know. You know it's frequently used all the way down to tiny little 8 bit Atmel chips, right? The only reason I don't use it on my 8051 work is because the wretched IAR C/C++ compiler as it so very wrongly calls itself doesn't in fact support any of C++ as far as I can tell. Well mostly it seems t
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I write 8 bit embedded code for Atmel parts for a living. You can use C++, but it's largely pointless.
If you care about stability you avoid dynamic memory allocation. You take care with the stack too, but at least there you don't get fragmentation issues. Forget about garbage collection.
So most of the stuff C++ does that C doesn't can't be used, because it allocates memory.
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I write 8 bit embedded code for Atmel parts for a living. You can use C++, but it's largely pointless.
I do a little, but most of my embedded stuff is on the 8051 at the moment. I miss the improved type safety and type based parameterisation of C++. I also miss things like container adapters (std::priority_queue, for example), std::heap_*, a bunch of useful stuff in , much of , and the program organisation features like namespaces, access control, typesafe enums, lambdas etc etc.
So most of the stuff C++ doe
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We will have to agree to disagree on this one. In my experience 95% of commercial code for 8 bit MCUs is written in C, not C++. For microcontroller applications raw C tends to be a better fit, and being a little low power 8 bit CPU that is mainly driving peripherals there isn't usually too much heavy processing of data. And really, how much can you do when you have 4k of RAM?
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In my experience 95% of commercial code for 8 bit MCUs is written in C, not C++.
I think a large part of that though is a lack of decent C++ compilers for 8 bitters. I think AVR is a notable exception with GCC (though gcc's optimization for size is not as good as IAR). The other popular ones like IAR don't actually compile C++ at all despite its claims. I don't think Keil support C++ on 8 bitters either.
For microcontroller applications raw C tends to be a better fit
Apart from the compiler issue, I don't see
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The GP makes some really good points, and the best you can counter them with are some insults and gibberish?
The gedit [wikipedia.org] text editor is a superb example of how hipsters/millennials are ruin perfectly good software.
Here is a screenshot of the gedit UI from 2009 [wikimedia.org].
It shows gedit as it was developed by Generation X, with a clean, sensible, and consistent UI.
Here is a more recent screenshot of the gedit UI [wikimedia.org] after hipsters/millennials have had their way with it.
The hipster/millennial version is a total mess, with no c
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Neither of those are a screenshot of vi, so I know you're not talking about any good editors.
*ducks*
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That would be because vi still works the same as the day it was first coded.
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Man, did I hate the fucking game rooms. Always full of loud people NOT DOING ANY WORK. Then again, maybe it was safer that way.
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Well, we have catering. The old folks love it. I don't think that's a millenial feature, just a nice feature that makes sure people are in the office and spend a half hour for lunch versus everyone vanishing for two hours while they go out hunting for places to eat.
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Which comapany is this? :P
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Shut up you 4 digit id fart. This place is ruled by 9+ digiters now. And by niggers of course. Niggers with long juicy dicks. Wanna taste one?
You obviously have fond (and probably enjoyable) memories of being sodomized by such individuals - which explains your obsession with your related posts.
Why not Facebook? (Score:3)
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I started a new job four months ago and was hired to fix a project that had stagnated for a year. The team were all guys in their 20's fresh out of college, and the application they wrote was a poorly designed, un-maintainable piece of garbage. But I couldn't blame them, that's how I coded back when I was in university and didn't have any real-world experience either. I knew where they were coming from.
I'm 37 and was hired to do in several weeks what five 20-year olds couldn't do in a year. Literally the ON
Re: The Interview at Google (Score:1)
I would care more about this article if it were about being discriminated against promotion decisions and the like. Claiming discrimination because you didn't get the job is just bog standard sour grapes. Google rejects like 99% of applicants, someone is going to be butt hurt and file a lawsuit without grounds.
older employees won't put up with abuse (Score:2, Insightful)
Quiet simply, older employees aren't willing to be walked all over by management. What, you want me to work 80 hours a week without overtime? That's why these companies want people under 30 and H1Bs as well. It's about control. Older employees are more likely to tell you to go fuck yourself when you tell them to work more unpaid overtime.
Guess what kiddies, the longer you keep taking it up the ass, the more you are going to get fucked over. Do you think this companies actually give a shit about you? T
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So... what are you going to do when you do have 2-3 kids and commitments? Or the first time you have a serious medical problem and your ability to work 100 hours/week is gone? Pretty sure you'll have $2 million in your mutual fund account by then? Hmmm...
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So... what are you going to do when you do have 2-3 kids and commitments?
This is the problem with old people: they think they should get the job because of their "needs" rather than their value.
Re: older employees won't put up with abuse (Score:1)
This is a societal issue. Either we take care of families or we don't. Working for a company was once a deeper commitment then today. It wasn't about just perks and pay. There was more mutual respect and satisfaction between workers and the c- level staff. That seems to have died in the 80's. Some companies still try but it isn't as it was. Some managers still try to do the right thing but it's really uneven how much they care for their staff.
Someone cared for you once. Not now, apparently.
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This is a societal issue. Either we take care of families or we don't.
We need to take care of people that can't afford to eat. We don't need to take care of an engineer who insists he "needs" a salary $150k when a 25 years old with more relevant skills will accept $90k.
Working for a company was once a deeper commitment then today
This is mostly a myth. Average job tenure is higher today than it was in the 1960s. Most companies offer better benefits today than they did then.
There was more mutual respect and satisfaction between workers and the c- level staff.
You are suffering from false nostalgia. The "good ole' days" were not as good as you think.
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This is a societal issue. Either we take care of families or we don't.
We need to take care of people that can't afford to eat. We don't need to take care of an engineer who insists he "needs" a salary $150k when a 25 years old with more relevant skills will accept $90k.
Of course, the reality is that they don't have more relevant skills. The young folks are better at the details because their skills are more current, but they lack the experience at architecting things for robustness and extensibility. A healthy organization needs a certain percentage of experienced people. If you don't have that, eventually everything starts to break, and the longer you go without good architects, the more likely you'll end up throwing it all out and starting over....
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This is the problem with young people: they think they are invincible, immortal, and everything they have accomplished they have done on their own.
Personally I wouldn't hire a database architect under 40, nor one who could not give me a basic history of databases back to 1960 and a description of similarities/differences across each database era.
sPh
Lots of Luck (Score:2)
If this lawsuit reaches the U.S. Supreme Court, Google wins. There is a justice on the Supreme Court who used to head the U.S. Equal-Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). While in that position, he sat on over 20,000 age-discrimination complaints until the statute of limitations expired. If he had been an attorney in private practice or a non-judge government attorney, he would have been disbarred. Who is he? Hint: Anita Hill was a side issue.
Agism? Or just out-of-date? (Score:2)
Even if it's true, how do you prove something like this? Younger programmers will, on average, have different qualifications. Younger programmers are less interested, on average, in quality of life issues.
"Heath applied for a job in 2011, when he was 60, and was denied employment even though he said he was perfectly qualified for the software engineering position and was deemed 'a great candidate' by a recruiter."
I'm sure agism exists - heck, it may even have been a factor in this case. But: what a recruit
Feedback from retired IT Director (Score:1)
When I was volunteering as an IT guy to stay busy and keep my skills up (made NO difference to employers), I had a retired IT Director as my supervisor. We were talking about my job hunt (I was in my late 40s then). He said (to paraphrase), it isn't right, but when you have two candidates with the same qualifications, an employer is going to go with the younger one.
As for me, after a few years of applications, putting code on GitHub and having it ignored, learning iOS and Android development and having tha
Follow-up - here's the second one (Score:2)
The LinkedIn page for Cheryl Ann Fillekes [linkedin.com], which only includes her education. Here is her professional experience [vizualize.me] from a different site. She is also suing Google for not hiring her as a programmer.
Her entire educational trajectory is in fields related to geophysics, but apparently she learned programming on the side. Her professional experience does sound interesting. Google contacted her four times for interviews, but decided each time not to hire her.
At IBM (Score:1)
When I was there they kept talking up how many job openings they had in the US, yet most of them were for new college graduates (NCGs in their lingo). Sure, for a few hot specialties like security or machine learning they probably would've hired a mid career guy. Almost all of their headcount came from acquisitions, and it was winnowed on an annual basis through layoffs ("resource actions").
One interesting program they had (this was years ago, probably discontinued) was a set of educational incentives fo
This is getting more of a land mine (Score:5, Interesting)
I am already stating in any job offer I send out for applicants to explicitly NOT include race, age, sex, religion or ANYTHING that I could possibly discriminate against. At least if they do I can reject them for not following application guidelines without fearing a lawsuit. At least legal told me so, and I tend to believe them.
Quite frankly and directly: I would hire a 55 year old over a 25 year old INSTANTLY, provided I can afford him. What's coming out of college these days is such a bunch of useless self entitled special snowflakes that I could literally fire them out of a cannon from my top floor office. If legal didn't tell me that this is oddly still illegal, for some odd reason that I just can't understand.
Sorry, had to vent some steam. Mod this any way you like, I have Karma to burn, but this had to be said!
Re:This is getting more of a land mine (Score:5, Funny)
What's coming out of college these days is such a bunch of useless self entitled special snowflakes that I could literally fire them out of a cannon from my top floor office.
Hi Plato, is that you again? Do the kids these days also lover chatter in place of exercise?
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Get offa my lawn, will ya?
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Discriminating against people UNDER 40 is totally legal. Federal law only states that you can't discriminate on the basis of age for those 40 and over.
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How am I going to do that? Should I avoid any mention of the schools where I studied and when? Should I omit the name of the major as they change every decade? Should I omit any experience older than 10 years, just to give myself a chance? Should I skip on my job titles as they give out the time the position was held just as easily? There is no way to prevent age discrimination when the recruiter looks for the age, he will find it in every resume.
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There are certain things that are a given. Expecting someone with a PhD and 10 years of experience being younger than 35 is ... a wee bit unreasonable. But anything between 35 and 65 is basically a possibility.
And frankly, I don't care if the applicant is 35 or even younger, or 65. What I care about is whether the skill set is what I'm looking for. For all I care it can be a non-gendered polka dotted alien from the planet Zrbt, provided that thing can somehow get a work permit for the EU and it has the skil
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Fortunately I can usually afford to pay for experience. Mostly because wrong decisions and fuck-ups cost more than the person does.
There are people with unreasonable expectations, though. Market dictates that the maximum I could pay is whatever a worker generates for me. Anything more and I'm better off without him.
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If you have 20 years of professional experience, my guess would be that you're somewhere between 40 and 65. 40 because if you're younger, you're probably lying about the experience, 65 because if you're older you'd probably prefer to retire.
And for 200 an hour I'd probably hire you as a freelancer, too, provided you're offering what I'm looking for! 20 years experience for 200 bucks? What is it you're doing, again?
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What for?
I don't know about your country, but in mine I actually get a bonus from my country if I hire that 55 year old over the 25 year old. I don't get sued, I get an effin' REWARD to hire someone experienced.
Don't ask me why. I don't either. I just cash in and enjoy having them.
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Found the special snowflake.
Divide and conquer (Score:2)
Pitting older technologists against younger technologists (and visa versa) is just a way to drive the salary costs down for both groups. It also denies both young and old technologists the opportunity to combine energy with experience. Expose a young technologist to that experience and it may save them weeks of time exploring some avenue and come up with some new approach the experienced person hadn't seen.
If being younger in IT means having the shit flogged out of you as it ruins your social life (ironic
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why would any sane person invest their time in qualifying for such a career if its longevity is threatened.
Because IT isn't threatened. With computers going into everything, IT is here to stay, and it is going to continue increasing as a proportion of all jobs. This is in spite of the industry's attempts to kill itself with cut corners, aversion to experience, and constant reinventing-of-the-wheel due to a refusal to learn from history.
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Apologies, I submitted that before I'd finished the proofread because I was tired. It should have read:
why would any sane person invest their time in qualifying for such a career if their longevity in it is threatened.
Because IT isn't threatened. With computers going into everything, IT is here to stay, and it is going to continue increasing as a proportion of all jobs. This is in spite of the industry's attempts to kill itself with cut corners, aversion to experience, and constant reinventing-of-the-wheel due to a refusal to learn from history.
Indeed, perhaps IT companies could learn from another Benjamin Franklin quote : "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
WHAAAT? (Score:1, Troll)
That's right!
You better hire me, you snot-nosed little bastards!
I've got backup-disks laying around that are older that your little company!
Speak up son, and don't put any of that candy-ass crap in my coffee!
Why don't you have any god-damned real chairs here?
I've always found age discrimination odd (Score:3)
Re:I've always found age discrimination odd (Score:5, Insightful)
Show an "old guy" 5 new things and he'll draw on his experience to give you 5 reasons each why a) they're not new, and b) they still won't yield a return on investment. The "young guy", however, won't be fazed by such "cynicism", and will be a preferred hire for managers and their ilk who build their careers by doing projects, "successfully". Experienced people are just rain on the parade.
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Neither way is right. We had an old hardware guy who wanted to do all the signal processing in analogue and use an old but "tried and tested" microcontroller. The product sucked, battery life was poor, tuning it was a nightmare and the micro was both under used and made writing good, robust firmware impossible.
We replaced it with a device that runs for twice a long on half as much battery, with a modern micro and extremely reliable firmware.
I evaluate parts based on my requirements. I understand that while
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I was actually thinking to myself of exceptions like you mentioned, but now I'm wondering what the ratio of those are to the hundreds of half-assed Arduino-esque gadgets coming out of China these days.
I know it's popular to say that (Score:2)
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True, but you forget office politics and such.
About a year ago, I interviewed with a company that had a certain way of doing things and wanted to bring that methodology to another platform. This was, in my opinion, the wrong approach, and I told them so in the phone interview. I explained why I felt that this was the wrong approach. I was thanked for my time and didn't get the job, even though the recruiter felt I was a "perfect match." Part of the reason they felt I was a perfect match, of course, was
Re:I've always found age discrimination odd (Score:4, Insightful)
Since it's pretty much a fact that you can work longer and harder when you're young. And it's not like experience is all that important in a brand new field. I understand why the working class is against it. We all get old but very few of us can stop working at 40. But I sorta wish we working class folks could be more honest about it and just admit we're protecting our own interests. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that but we act like we're doing something disdainful...
Programming isn't like shoveling coal - working harder and longer usually results in worse output. And experience can be a very strong productivity multiplier.
... what are you doing here?
If you had any tech experience at all you'd know this.
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Programming isn't like shoveling coal - working harder and longer usually results in worse output. And experience can be a very strong productivity multiplier.
Put another way: "Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"
It's not just about working longer and harder (Score:2)
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although for all but the top maybe 10% of coders that's probably more important than anything. You're rank and file are just implementing biz logic after all. But don't forget that the ability to learn and adapt goes _down_ as you get older. It just does, and there's plenty of research to show this. An experienced programmer can crank out code he's already written faster, but so what. He's gonna want to work fewer hours and have more benefits. On the low end I can not only work those young guys half again as hard and pay them half as much. They cost less to give medical insurance for to boot. On the high end their ability to learn makes up for their lack of experience. The reason you were taught to respect your elders is they were smart enough to know they weren't needed anymore and you'd need an emotional reason drilled into you when you were mentally vulnerable or you'd kick 'em to the curb.
Wow, seriously? Pro-tip: go anonymous if you just want to troll.
On the off chance you actually mean that, I'm not going to even bother explaining to you what's wrong with your line of thinking. You don't understand software development at all.
Well... maybe you are a manager.
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> it's not like experience is all that important in a brand new field
What brand new field ? There's no such thing. You could be writing drivers for teleporters using a quantum computer for all I care, experience still helps.
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Since it's pretty much a fact that you can work longer and harder when you're young
And party longer and harder the night before work, and show up more hung over and less useful.
and was deemed 'a great candidate' by a recruiter. (Score:2)
Irrational hiring practices (Score:2)
So much for discrimination (Score:2)
Based on my educational background posted on my LinkedIn profile it should be clear that I'm at least 55+. I actually had an internal recruiter at a different company recommending me to remove the year I got my degree from my profile as it leaked
More US H1B visas are the solution (Score:2)
Every company should report on workplace diversity include age, race and sex.
huh (Score:2)
Google’s interview process sucks, period. (Score:2)
In 2013, I got called by Google out of the blue to go on-site to their NYC location, just after I’d turned 40. Note that I had gotten my PhD in 2012 and was working as a CS professor when they called me. They insisted that I was so awesome that they skipped me right past the phone technical interview directly to an on-site interview, because they really wanted me right away. Oddly, although I’d made it clear that my strongest skills were in computer architecture and circuit design, they insis
Google reached out to me... (Score:1)
Stereotype field manual (Score:2)
Did you know that you can say literally anything, as long as it is extreme, and attributed to millennials, and someone will believe you? Check it out.
Millennials have no work ethic whatsoever. They expect game rooms, catered lunches and other ridiculous benefits.
Millennials are ruining the job market. HR directors only want millennials because they're stupid enough to work 50-80 hours a week for peanuts.
Millennials have no job loyalty. They walk off the minute someone gives them a better offer, so it's poin
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I've been in programming and IT since I was 18 years old and I've NEVER seen an issue of age discrimination. As an example, the CTO at my current job is in his 60s. I am 34.
A trend I do see is that older people stop caring after a while. I work in the healthcare industry and we get strict audits constantly due to HIPAA regulations. At a previous job, about half our staff was laid off once due to refusing to fix issues that came up during 3 different audits. The majority of these employees were older,