Israel Accuses Facebook Of Aiding Terrorists and Hampering Police Investigations (reuters.com) 278
"The young generation in the Palestinian Authority suckles all of its incitement against Israel from Facebook and, in the end, goes and commits murders," Israel's Minister of Internal Security said Saturday. "Some of the blood of the victims of the recent attacks...is unfortunately on the hands of Mark Zuckerberg, because the police and security forces could have been told about the post of that vile murderer." Reuters calls the remarks "ramping up the pressure" as Israel prepares legislation which would allow it to order social media sites to remove posts it considered threatening. The security minister says Facebook currently "sets a very high bar for removing inciteful content and posts" and "sabotages the work of the Israeli police" by being uncooperative.
Facebook responded that there's "no room for content that promotes violence, direct threats, terrorist or hate speeches on our platform." BetaNews writes that "while Facebook waits for content to be reported before acting, Israeli Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked said that the site should be pro-active in seeking out offending content instead."
Facebook responded that there's "no room for content that promotes violence, direct threats, terrorist or hate speeches on our platform." BetaNews writes that "while Facebook waits for content to be reported before acting, Israeli Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked said that the site should be pro-active in seeking out offending content instead."
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The war crimes committed in Lebanon and Gaza are awful. I despise Hamas and Hezbollah; they cannot be justified. However, the use of cluster bombs in southern Lebanon is inexcusable. How about Israel submits their leaders for war crimes prosecution and then we'll talk?
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Aaaaaand instantly the thread spirals into irrelevant bickering about the relative merits of Israel and Palestine.
Thank you for dooming this potentially interesting discussion on the responsibilities of social media.
Next time, please make an effort to control your knee-jerk response to the word 'Israel'.
Re: Israel abuses human rights (Score:5, Insightful)
I want everyone to take a close look at the URL of this guy's citation of a "survey of respected Generals from around the world".
Can anyone else spot the clue that it's bogus?
OK, now take a loot at the "In The Media" section from that website. Can you spot the single issue that appears to be the sole reason for this group of "respected Generals from around the world" to exist?
http://www.high-level-military... [high-level...-group.org]
You have to be able to know when you're being had.
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Their whois leads to domainsbyproxy so we can't find out what group is bankrolling the site. I can tell that it is not a US based organization since their PDF's use A4 page sizing.
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It looks like the site is run by Davis Lewin who is linked to the Henry Jackson Society [wikipedia.org] A.K.A., 'Scoop' Jackson (D), a Washington State Congressman and Senator from 1941-1983.
From the wiki:
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A real murderers row.
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And seem to have crept into our neo-liberal bunch as well.
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>Palestinians are a made up people with a made up agenda from Arab states that simply wish for Jews to be eradicated
The country of Palestine had existed for centuries when Israel was founded in 1948. Blatant lie.
>Despite all of that - when Arabs were encouraged to leave the land of Israel in 1948
Palestinians are not Arabs. They are semites, - ethnically they are exactly the same race as Israelis, they just have a different religion. This was proven by numerous genetic studies. You want to know who Pal
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Hasbara.
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Hasbara.
gesundheit
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It is one of the most one sided issues in modern history. Everything he said is 100 percent true. There was never palestinian arab identity and it was manufactured and nurtured with the express intent of eradicating Israel. They didn't even hide it. At the same time the arabs waged 2 full scale wars of aggression and the victors were 'required' to act in ways never dreamed about in the history of warfare. At the same time Israel has made deadly concession after deadly concession for naught agains a backdrop
Re: Israel abuses human rights (Score:5, Informative)
There was never palestinian arab identity and it was manufactured and nurtured with the express intent of eradicating Israel.
Sure there was....Before WW2. Remember, the area we now call Israel was majority Palestinian before WW2. Then the brits basically just handed the region over to the remaining Jews of EUROPE...and ignored the Palestinian locals
Yeah sure, the Brits and everyone else felt guilty about the Holocaust, but that was no excuse for the stupidity that has caused endless sorrow. The whole word would have been better off if the jews of Europe had been handed a piece of Arizona or Alaska and told to either shut the fuck up about Palestine or go back to post-war Europe where they were FROM.
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The discussion so far: A couple of Israeli ministers spew complete nonsense. A bunch of Slashdot readers respond with complete and utter baseless bullshit. Pro-Israeli readers respond with rehashed lines. Everybody feel so much better for "sticking it" to the other side. Great...
My side (the pro-Israel side) has started pushing the "Palestinians are a made up nation" narrative. I hate that narrative. Not because it is factually false, but because it is irrelevant. Whether manufactured or organically grown,
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What exactly is your helpful suggestion to me?
I'm not the GP but let me offer you some advice.
Pressure your government to put the border back to there the UN says it should be, back to the 1960s location. Stop all military action against Palestine, concentrate on defence from within your own borders only. Remove the blockade and allow Palestine to flourish.
It will be hard for the first few years, but as Palestine recovers and people find they can build a prosperous life if they concentrate on living instead of fighting you, the violence will die down.
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As for the rest of your suggestion for the Jews, my family came from Iraq. The family left there after the Iraqi government pushed the Jews out by confiscating their property. What exactly is your helpful suggestion to me?
Secularize the middle east? As long as the region is plagued with theocrats and wannabe theocrats, there are going to be problems. The very CONCEPT of a "state" favoring a religous group where everyone else is second class (or worse) is faulty.
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I am assuming you meant Israel as well under that criticism, which, as I wrote in a comment to another story, I believe is unfounded [slashdot.org]. Without trying to open out that discussion, however:
Secularize the middle east?
I'm eagerly awaiting your insightful opinion as to how to do that.
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WOW! 229 words and not a single true fact.
Trying to keep the discussion from going too much astray, let's focus on the nationality claim:
Care to cite any evidence for your claims? There are several nationality markers, the things that make a group of people a nation. Care to show that the Arabs who lived in pre-Israel Palestine had those distinctly from other Arabs, and
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For a start - they are a different race. They are not Arabs ethnically. They are semmites. The exact same race as the Jews. Numerous genetic studies have proven over and over again: the Palestinians ARE Jews, they just changed religion. They are the jews that stayed behind when the diaspora was happening.
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For a start - they are a different race. They are not Arabs ethnically. They are semmites. The exact same race as the Jews. Numerous genetic studies have proven over and over again: the Palestinians ARE Jews, they just changed religion. They are the jews that stayed behind when the diaspora was happening.
Care to give reference to any such study?
Re: Israel abuses human rights (Score:3)
Google it. The university of Tel Aviv study is perhaps the most enlightening.
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I did. I found a few that claimed that the Jews in Europe share genetic markers, and share them with indigent residents of the middle east. I did not find anything that supports your claim that the Palestinians share genetic markers distinct from the Arabs. As such, all that proves is that the Jews do, in fact, have a historic connection to the land.
I also did not find the Tel Aviv University research you refer to.
In general, the person making the claim should also be the one providing the proof [yourlogicalfallacyis.com].
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Well I dont have links for studies I read sporadically over the past two decades.
The short summarry of the Tel Aviv study however contained a line I will never forget. "With biology we have answered one of the greatest mysteries in history. What happened to the 10 lost tribes of Israel ? The answer is: they stayed right here and are known as Palestinians"
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Here's the thing. If you, who knows what you're looking for, cannot find it with a couple of seconds of Googling, then it is quite unfair of you to send me searching.
Like I said above, what I did find while searching was not supporting your core claim. It said some of what you claimed it said (thus my belief that I found the ones you were referring to), but not the important part to support your claim. As such, you will excuse me for not trusting your memory of research neither of us can currently find.
Shac
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/e... [patheos.com]
Here you go, now that I'm not at work and have time, it took me all of 5 seconds on google to find and article that references pretty much all the research on the topic and confirms my conclusion: Palestinians are descended from the same group as Jewish people.
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Here you go, now that I'm not at work and have time, it took me all of 5 seconds on google to find and article that references pretty much all the research on the topic and confirms my conclusion
I found no mention there of any Tel-Aviv university research. Did I miss something, or did you try to send me on a wild goose chase?
: Palestinians are descended from the same group as Jewish people.
More like "shared genes", but the distinction is not that important. Either way, that point I acknowledged three comments ago. It does not, however, get you anywhere you want to go. Your original point [slashdot.org], however, contained an additional statement, crucial to proving your point:
Anything?
I'll also point out that, generally speaking, origin and birth (i
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Do you think anybody on earth would deny that the Afrikaners are a distinct nation ? Do you know the history of how they became one ? The Dutch created a halfway point for trips to the east at Cape Point in 1652. Among other things they brought in a number of so-called free burghers (free citizens) to build farms there so the supply station would have something to supply.
In 1658 these folk sent a letter to the Lords 17 (the directors of the corporation) renouncing their ties to the Netherlands and declaring
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and not a single true fact.
I don't know about that, I think this bit:
Think the existing Jewish Palestinians have a good life, not so much, they look entirely too Arab to ever be really accepted by the European immigrants pretending to adhere to a religion
is basically commenting about the discrimination the Mizrahi receive in Israel, which is a known thing.
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I am half that. We had a Mizrahi president, ministers (including quite senior ones), and quite a few others. Yes, there are complaints, but to claim that they are on the verge of being kicked out is completely off the wall.
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The Jews were fighting British forces as much as Arab, in the War for Independence. The British didn't hand over anything. That aside, it's been over 60 years. When will the Arabs realize they lost the war and get on with living? They were given Jordan, which is significantly larger than the 1948 borders of Israel. The West Bank was part of Jordan then, and between 1948 and 1967 there was not a single Jordanian civil war to create an autonomous "Palestinian" State. Only after Jordan lost the territory
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The whole word would have been better off if the jews of Europe had been handed a piece of Arizona or Alaska and told to either shut the fuck up about Palestine or go back to post-war Europe where they were FROM.
I don't know about sending them to America - looking at who's contributed to science and culture, I find that there is rather a lot of Jews, so I would think it would have been a lot better to try harder to get them to stay in Europe. However, after the war, it was probably too late; we should have mended our ways long before.
That said, Zionism is a harebrained idea which only got off the ground because we Europeans had painted ourselves into a corner - several times - and we wanted to get rid of a problem,
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Yeah, just ignore the Zionist terror that lead to many of the problems existing today. Both British and native Arabs were targets (also Jews that was seen as too liberal). Several terror groups had an ideology close to Nazism. The same groups e.g. killed the head of the UN at the time and participated in several terrorist attacks in other countries all over the world.
But that isn't the problem - the problem is there still are fanatics in positions of power in Israel that support this terror. Heck - several
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Yeah, just ignore the Zionist terror that lead to many of the problems existing today. Both British and native Arabs were targets (also Jews that was seen as too liberal). Several terror groups had an ideology close to Nazism.
I'm aware of that. Hell...I consider Menachem Begin and Dr. Ruth Westheimer to be Terrorists! And you didn't see pressure groups telling Carter not to deal with Begin because he was a terrorist or pressure groups saying Ruth Westheimer shouldn't be on TV because....Terrorist.
Which is why I consider Netanyahu to be basically the Israeli version of an apartheid era South African leader. Which makes sense since Israel and South Africa thought of themselves in similar ways, God/G*d's Chosen People surrounded
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"Peace is not part of their vocabulary. Only Hate Israel, Destroy Israel."
And this is an example of the harm done by generalizations and pre-judging people based on the group they a part of.
In 2005, a Palestinian 12-year old boy was shot by an Israeli soldier who mistook his toy gun for a real weapon. Despite the best efforts of the Israeli physicians, he was declared brain dead a few days later. His parents--who had just lost their son to an Israeli soldier's mistake--decided against riot and anger; inste
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How many decades should they let go by without accomplishing anything besides being angry?
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Oh well in that case cluster bombing civilians is OK because they didn't sign a treaty saying it's not OK.
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Why do you hate jews?
Because they're doing similar to Palestine that the Nazis did to them, and have the audacity to scream "antisemitism" when anyone tries to call them on it.
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Really? The German Jewish population was decimated during WWII. The Arab population in the WB has increased by several hundred percent since 1967. Please explain how Israel is doing to the Arabs what the Germans did to the Jews.
We'll wait, but we won't hold our breath.
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And not all (Jewish) Israelis support what is done in the name of Israel today.
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Arabs don't believe that the lives of Arab children are worth anything. What sense is there in valuing their lives more than they themselves?
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So settlements is the excuse now? What was the Palestinians' excuse during the 1929 Safed Riots [wikipedia.org], or the 1929 Hebron Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the 1938 Tiberias Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the 1834 Safed Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the the 1517 Safed Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the 1838 attack on Safed [wikipedia.org], or the 1834 Hebron Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the 1660 Destruction of Safed [wikipedia.org], or the 1660 Destruction of Tiberias [wikipedia.org]?
All of those occurred before Israel was even formed. Between the formation of Israel and the first constructed settlement (1948-1967), there were an average of just over 3.2 attacks on civilians per year originating in the Jordan-controlled West Bank, ignoring the multiple actual wars that were started.
When Israel entirely withdrew from all Gaza settlements in 2005, they were immediately met with an increase of violence, not less.
So is there *any* reason to believe the Palestinians -- the same people who overwhelmingly support the government that holds this kind of shit [youtube.com] at their schools -- would stop attacking civilians if the settlements are disbanded?
Fuck no. The settlements are just a convenient excuse, not that the Palestinians need one to kill teh joos [cc.com].
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So settlements is the excuse now? What was the Palestinians' excuse during the 1929 Safed Riots [wikipedia.org], or the 1929 Hebron Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the 1938 Tiberias Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the 1834 Safed Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the the 1517 Safed Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the 1838 attack on Safed [wikipedia.org], or the 1834 Hebron Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the 1660 Destruction of Safed [wikipedia.org], or the 1660 Destruction of Tiberias [wikipedia.org]?
All of those occurred before Israel was even formed. Between the formation of Israel and the first constructed settlement (1948-1967), there were an average of just over 3.2 attacks on civilians per year originating in the Jordan-controlled West Bank, ignoring the multiple actual wars that were started.
When Israel entirely withdrew from all Gaza settlements in 2005, they were immediately met with an increase of violence, not less.
So is there *any* reason to believe the Palestinians -- the same people who overwhelmingly support the government that holds this kind of shit [youtube.com] at their schools -- would stop attacking civilians if the settlements are disbanded?
Fuck no. The settlements are just a convenient excuse, not that the Palestinians need one to kill teh joos [cc.com].
Probably just in retaliation for the Israelites' conquering of Canaan. You know, where they enslaved their allies and slaughtered every man, woman, and child in Jericho.
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Neither. They are the descendants of Jews who stayed behind during the diaspora.
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To discuss "The Palestinians" in the context of the ancient history is rather farfetched - under the Ottoman empire it is difficult to say whether the Palestinians identified themselves as Palestinians . Going into detail on your examples, Safed 1517 seems to be a case of anti-semitism during wartime, in the case of 1660 Tiberias/Safed it was the Druze who attacked, for reasons not immediately apparent. In modern times, Druze do not identify as Palestinians. Hebron 1834... was a case of a day of rape and pillage by an army after a 5 months siege, in which there were a grand total of 12 casualties. Calling that a massacre seems more a propaganda piece than a massacre. especially as the Arab population suffered over 500 casualties during that same day. But they don't really count in your examples, do they?
The 1929 riots are more interesting. To quote wikipedia: "The Shaw Commission found that the fundamental cause of the violence "without which in our opinion disturbances either would not occurred or would not have been little more than a local riot, is the Arab feeling of animosity and hostility towards the Jews consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future."[ It also attributed the cause as being Arab fears of Jewish immigrants "not only as a menace to their livelihood but as a possible overlord of the future."
With the benefit of hindsight we might say they had a point.
When Israel entirely withdrew from all Gaza settlements in 2005, they were immediately met with an increase of violence, not less.
Is that so strange? It is quite obvious to all involved why Israel withdrew: it would make it possible to stall peace negotiations for much longer, it would bottle the Palestines up in West Gaza, a much smaller area than the original plans show, and holding the settlements was politically impossible if Israel wanted to keep up relations with the rest of the world. This was realized by the Palestines as well.
So is there *any* reason to believe the Palestinians -- the same people who overwhelmingly support the government that holds this kind of shit [youtube.com] at their schools -- would stop attacking civilians if the settlements are disbanded?
There are loads of reasons to think that the attacks will *never* stop until the settlements are disbanded, for several reasons.
1) the settlers are responsible for a lot of violence themselves. They are a huge part of the problem as they depend economically on the conflict. They do not want peace and do everything possible to stir up trouble. Shutting down the settlements would be a very small first step in normalizing the situation.
2) the settlements use up a lot of water which is scarce in the area. They are connected by roads that the rest of the inhabitants are barred from even crossing, and occupy strategic areas with fertile lands.
3) It is a visible reminder of the fact the population is controlled by outside soldiers.
Removing the settlements won't stop the attacks on civilians (although it will stop attacks on settlements), but it is at least a start towards a solution.
As for Hamas, yeah, they're wankers. It's not as if Israeli politicians are immune to the hatred though: rabbi Dov Lior (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_Lior) is at least as big a wanker as any member of Hamas.
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Violations of International Law only matter when Israel is the violator. When Arabs do it (hi there, Morocco), it's perfectly OK. When a favored-status trading partner does it (hi, China!), it's OK. When Israel does it to territory captured in a war, it's suddenly the root of all evil.
Somehow, I don't buy it. The Arab-Israeli conflict is predicated on the Arab's inability to accept loss to a Jew. That's it. Nothing else matters.
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You do realise that "International Law" does not recognise "territory captured in a war", right? Been that way since before Israel was created by the UN...
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You do realise that "International Law" does not recognise "territory captured in a war", right? Been that way since before Israel was created by the UN...
it does recognize military occupation of a belligerent population, though.
arguably, had israel in fact just actually annexed the territories in 67 nobody would have cared outside the Arab countries which were already determined to smash Israel, and by now it would all be behind us, a new generation would have grown up on either side, and things would not be frozen in this feedback loop.
instead, jingoistic zealots on both sides get their energy from the continuing hostilities and whip up sentiment demandi
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>There never was a country called Palestine in history
Erm... yes there was. It existed until 1948 (for the last part of it's existence it was a British colony).
There is also such a country today. It consists of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and it's capital city is Jerusalem. This was recognized by the world at large as a de facto country when they were granted membership of the UN in 2012. Israel is illegally occupying land that is officially considered a different country by virtually all the government
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>There never was a country called Palestine in history
Erm... yes there was. It existed until 1948 (for the last part of it's existence it was a British colony).
There is also such a country today. It consists of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and it's capital city is Jerusalem. This was recognized by the world at large as a de facto country when they were granted membership of the UN in 2012. Israel is illegally occupying land that is officially considered a different country by virtually all the governments of the world.
That is actually rather important. A key reason appartheid failed is because the "countries" it created for black people (the so-called homeland states) were never recognized as independent countries by the UN or any other countries. The lack of international recognition was a flat-out refusal to accept these forced resettlement locations as a human rights compliant policy and these puppet-states as "giving people their own country". The inverse is also true. When the world recognizes a country as existing, it exists and if a different government is occupying it that is an act of war.
arguably, a key reason Palestine failed it because it was never recognized as independent countries by Jordan and Egypt, not to mention all the other Arab countries, but rather immediately annexed by them as part of their territory. As a result, there were a couple of consequences; firstly, for Israel to unilaterally undo the internationally accepted annexation, declare the territory captured in 1967 liberated from Jordan and Egypt, and declare the new country of Palestine would be somewhat troublesome in i
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If you want the Palestinians to stop attacking Israelis a good step would be to stop the settlements
The Palestinians attacked Israelis as a matter of course long before any settlement existed. What makes you think they will stop if they were gone?
(Hint: Removing all settlements from Gaza only made matters far, far worse.)
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The Palestinians attacked Israelis as a matter of course long before any settlement existed.
Ah yes that faithful day when Britain so charitably handed the equipment that just won WWII to the minority Israel population. How the Israeli's trembled in fear at only having the best military equipment ever made and used it to immediately and forcibly evict non-jews from what the U.N. decided was Jewish land. Israel has literally been resettling Palestinians since day #1.
Its no surprise that the day the minority got military control they immediately started a campaign against the majority.
Regardless
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Everything you have written is a lie. The Brits handed equipment? Evictions? Resettlings..!? The day "the minority got military control"? An open air prison? What parallel universe are you living in?
Sorry, but Arabs have been butchering Jews at every opportunity for centuries. This started long before Israel was created, even long before Britain was even in the picture. You are clueless.
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The Palestinians attacked Israelis as a matter of course long before any settlement existed.
Ah yes that faithful day when Britain so charitably handed the equipment that just won WWII to the minority Israel population. How the Israeli's trembled in fear at only having the best military equipment ever made and used it to immediately and forcibly evict non-jews from what the U.N. decided was Jewish land. Israel has literally been resettling Palestinians since day #1. Its no surprise that the day the minority got military control they immediately started a campaign against the majority. Regardless of the past, Palestinian children are born into and condemned to live in an open air prison run by the Israelis and this has been true for more than a generation. Until this fact changes there is no moral refuge to be found in the ill deeds of the Palestinians, for their deeds are Israels doings.
oh please, how old are you? as with any events which shaped history and thought, those who grew up in the current era have difficulty trying to replicate the thinking that prevailed before the events in question. in 1948, military victory of Israel was far from a sure thing, i fact arguably the smart money was betting they would be swamped. certainly, that was the thinking of the arab nations.
and similarly in 1967. the idea that israel wanted territorial expansion is a fiction countering the fact that at
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If you want the Palestinians to stop attacking Israelis a good step would be to stop the settlements
The Palestinians attacked Israelis as a matter of course long before any settlement existed. What makes you think they will stop if they were gone? (Hint: Removing all settlements from Gaza only made matters far, far worse.)
yeah, but... even stipulating all the list of crimes of Palestinians, individual and as a group; even stipulating that the Israelis were entirely innocent of all evil intent and acting only in self defense; even stipulating the existential threat to israel from the panArab and Islamist movements; even stipulating everything bad on the Palestine side posed against everything good on the Israeli side; what part of that suggests "therefore, the best thing to do is move some israeli civilians into the middle o
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Arab behavior started long before the settlements and long before the policy of demolishing homes. Arabs are sore losers, and that underlies every single Arab- conflict in history. Their religion just makes it worse, but a secular Arab can be brought to the same destination, same as any Maoist or die-hard Communist.
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Just ban religion. Everyone would get along much better if there weren't issues with Muslims, Jews, and Christians.
The conflict has little to do with religion. Palestinians have historically been largely secular, and when Israel was founded about 20% of Palestinians were Christian (although many of them have since emigrated). The Israeli settlements are mostly populated and supported by secular Jews, including immigrants from Russia and Eastern Europe who came to Israel for economic opportunity, not religion.
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The Israeli settlements are mostly populated and supported by secular Jews, including immigrants from Russia and Eastern Europe who came to Israel for economic opportunity, not religion.
"s/economic opportunity/living space [wikipedia.org]/"
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Why is it that the pro-Israeli side of this debate never show any empathy for the Palestinians? You accuse others of not carrying about the Jews when they never said anything of the sort. But you have no quibble with wishing this persons children dead?
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s/carrying/caring/
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including immigrants from Russia and Eastern Europe who came to Israel for economic opportunity, not religion.
And almost all those russian and Eastern European jews were Hasidic/Haredi/Orthodox, who swelled the numbers of Likud, who then sabotaged the peace process by doing everything they could do undermine Fatah.
Then they could point to Hamas taking over as "see? All the Palestinians are terrorists who want to obliterate Israel, they elected Hamas!"
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It might be more accurate to say that religion amplifies a conflict that would exist regardless.
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>To the Palestinian yes, but isn't the basis of the establishment of israeli settlement is that on their magic book, they are the rightful owner of the land, since their $deity told them so?
Except of course that gene studies have proven that the Palestinian people are the descendents of the Jews who stayed behind during the diaspora (contrary to the folktales of European Jews - a lot of them had not left). They changed religion over the centuries, but they are the same people. If the magic book was to be
Re: Here's a novel idea (Score:4, Insightful)
Humans are a tribal species and as long as there are multiple camps to which one can belong, we'll continue to find ourselves opposed to one and other, often with some amount of violence.
Re: Here's a novel idea (Score:4, Funny)
No, 99% of all violence by political groups in the U.S. are and have always been from the left -- definitely from the 1960's on including all of the violence towards blacks in the 60's which was all from Democrats and KKK which was formed to be the militant arm of the Democratic Party in the South.
Or as the Dilbert Zone's Scott Adams pointed out in his blog if you look at the statistics Democrats use guns overwhelmingly to kill each other and innocents while Republicans use them overwhelmingly for sport and to protect themselves from Democrats.
If you look at the political leanings of mass shooters when they have a political persuasion over 90% have been Democrats.
Basically, leftists have been and always are violent because their political beliefs feed their anger and their self-righteousness at being better than those on the right give so many leftists the conviction others deserve what they get. Just look at how badly Bernie Sanders supporters have been beating on very peaceful men and women at Trump rallies.
You, the left is extremely violent compared to the right as defined on the U.S.
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Irrelevant. There are 2 groups people fighting over the same land. Eliminate the religious difference and you still have 2 groups of people fighting over the same land.
Also extremely stupid (and/or entirely evil). How do you "ban" religion? What are you going to do to people who disobey your "ban"? Do you have some sort of camps in mind for them?
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Irrelevant. There are 2 groups people fighting over the same land. Eliminate the religious difference and you still have 2 groups of people fighting over the same land.
Without religion there's a good chance they'd make some kind of peace and get over it. Like Germany started a few world wars but now 70 years later it's pretty much all history. The conflicts that last centuries where one people hates the other usually involve religion, because shit like that is the main reason to hate persons that never did anything to you personally. Maybe my ancestors did some bad shit to your ancestors but inherited sin is bullshit. In Christianity and in general.
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Irrelevant. There are 2 groups people fighting over the same land. Eliminate the religious difference and you still have 2 groups of people fighting over the same land.
Also extremely stupid (and/or entirely evil). How do you "ban" religion? What are you going to do to people who disobey your "ban"? Do you have some sort of camps in mind for them?
before the american revolution connecticut and pennsylvania were in a shooting war over the region around wilkes barre which england had promised to both. these things were pretty common in the aftermath of colonialism.
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Racism is racism no matter the direction of it.
The facts are that Israel (the state - not every Israeli) support illegal construction of frontier camps and even uses it as a political weapon. I don't know what illegal Palestinian construction you are talking about but I don't think you are wrong - however that is an internal problem for the Palestinian government to handle and not breaking international law.
Israel have in several documented cases razed homes of people that doesn't support terrorism, in some
No justice, no peace. (Score:2, Informative)
End the siege of Gaza.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2008/12/gaza-reduced-bare-survival-20081205/
Give back the Palestinians their land as mandated in UN Resolution 242. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2008/08/trapped-collective-punishment-gaza-20080812/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2008/08/trapped-collective-punishment-gaza-20080812/
Let Palestinians have the same rights as Israelis.End the first class citizen
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You know Gaza borders on Egypt too, right? So why aren't you just trying to convince Egypt to support the Palestinians?
Is it because you don't really care about Gazans and you just want a reason to hate Israel, or because you recognize that Egypt wants nothing to do with them because they're run by terrorists?
You see, the people of Gaza are being held hostage by their own government. Unfortunately they have developed Stockholm Syndrome, so they keep electing terrorists to hold themselves hostage.
It's not li
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The Egyptian border crossing is entirely controlled by Egypt. Israel has nothing to do with it. After that 100% falsehood, I am sure the rest of your words are similarly truth-free.
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Free Palestinian children from jails.
You mean, Let my people go? [youtube.com] Or maybe Let my people go-go? [youtube.com]
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When a garden has a few weeds, you pull them out. When a garden has a lot of weeds, or when the weeds are too persistent, you mow everything down, dig out the roots, plow the remainder under, and start over. The Arabs are the weeds. I'll leave it to others to decide where along the garden spectrum they lie at this point.
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Someone has inserted a German history text into your rant notes. You'd better take care of that.
Just go look for yourself (Score:5, Interesting)
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Easy solution (Score:2)
"Hey Facebook, that Palestinian is pro-gun!" and they'll lock him down really fast.
Same old same old (Score:2)
And don't let the kids listen to any of that boogie-woogie music! Gives them bad ideas.
(((Hillary Clinton))) (Score:2)
It'll be OK when Trump is president because he loves the Jews and Israel.
http://time.com/4392387/donald... [time.com]
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the... [slate.com]
http://www.politicususa.com/20... [politicususa.com]
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An anti-Muslim "comedian" on Twitter originally posted that image on 16/06/15. It didn't get picked up by "anti-semite websites" until a week later.
http://www.mndailynews.com/tre... [mndailynews.com]
Grasping at straws, man.
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Wait, so you're saying it went from an "anti-Muslim comedian" to the anti-semitic message board to Donald Trump's twitter feed and you think that makes it OK for the Trump campaign? Who the fuck does Donald let post on his Twitter feed? I thought he hired only the "best people".
How the fuck is Donald getting memes from anti-semitic websites unless he or one o
Zuck is god (Score:2)
Or thinks he is. FB will shutdown your account in a second if a female nipple is seen.
Am I missing something? (Score:3)
Am I missing something from the summary? Israel's Minister of Internal Security said that a murder could have been prevented if Facebook told them about somebody's post, and now they're pushing for laws that make Facebook take down posts they don't like. How are the 2 related? How does the power to take down posts help them identify hateful posts?
Bury this please (Score:3)
ICANN is neither "required or qualified" to pass judgment in such cases...
Facebook is neither "required or qualified" to be pro-active in seeking out offending content...
In other words, tell them to get stuffed. If Facebook engages with these arseholes, they'll always want more.
Still waiting for an OT post (Score:2)
Anyone care to talk about the content of the FB posts that the Israeli gov't is complaining about?
I see a lot of factionist rants and blatant exaggerations from all 8 or 9 sides in the religio-social wars going on in the Middle East, but nothing about the actual topic.
For that matter, how would everyone react if Palestine demanded that FB delete all pro-Israeli posts?
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So there. It was tough, but I managed to avoid the long-comment penalty. Resulting terseness may be hard to follow, but feel free to ask for clarification, eh?
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Trump 2016
Re:Ah (Score:4, Interesting)
No, they're not. They're just engaging in Aggresive apartheid.
And the Palestinians are too STUPID and full of ANGER to try passive resistance, which plays right into the Theocrats and near fascists of Likud's hands
That's right Palestians, every time you blow up a bus or whatever you let the Israels pull the Holocaust Martyr card. And the West, for good reason, still feels guilty about that.
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A father of 10 ?
As a father of one, I'm pretty sure he was begging them to pull the trigger. Mark that one down as a mercy killing.
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Using the same flawed thinking "the jews" must have negative morals given that they kill more Arabs...
But in the real world this isn't about all Arabs (look A - !!) supporting killing of all Jews ( J !!) and not even all Palestinians supporting killing of all Israelis (and vice versa). How about visiting us in reality?
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In fact, it's WORSE than South African appartheid. Appartheid actually gave black people their countries with their own governments. It was mostly for show (and the world wasn't buying tickets) as the white South African government constantly interfered in the homeland country's elections to ensure pro-appartheid governments were elected.
But there were enough whites who sincerely believed the propaganda of "a country for every nation" that they actually created self-governing countries for the various black
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What is sad is that you're basically saying we're condemned to a cycle of death and hate forever.
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Not really, I live in South Africa, we were able to end the cycle. What I am saying is that you can't end a cycle of death and hate with the same thinking that caused it, before you can end it, you have to be willing to change how you think about the issue and what outcomes you would accept.
Re:On the other hand (Score:4, Informative)
Mostly on pressure from jews in the US who apparently have a huge voting and bribing capacity. The same mechanism that has prevented normal relations between the US and Cuba for decades.
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Free Palestine? I'll take two!
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Words mean things. Words of even a single letter are important, even in English.
There is a huge difference between the following two sentences. Your (purposeful) conflation of the two suggests that you are an idiot and bigot of the highest orders.
Palestinians are not proper people
Palestinians are not a proper people
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Can I shout "Theater!" in a crowded firehouse ?
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Ever read any of the far-right papers of Israel? There are fanatics everywhere, just try to accept it as a fact.