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Feds Spend Nearly $500K To 'Combat Online Trolling' (freebeacon.com) 184

mi writes: Washington Free Beacon reports: "The National Science Foundation is spending roughly half a million dollars to combat 'online trolling.' A joint project by Northwestern and Northeastern universities is examining how to create 'trolling-free environments' on the internet. The researchers define online trolls as those who try to influence public opinion by boosting 'misleading' and 'inauthentic comments.'" Just how can the "misleading" and "inauthentic" speech be eliminated by the government without violating the First Amendment? "Today almost every browser click that users make is collected by numerous trackers associated with a variety of online services (e.g., advertising networks, online social networks, e-commerce platforms)," a grant for the project states. "Users have often expressed concern about the lack of privacy and control over their personal data. Nonetheless, despite a substantial effort to expose and control this prevalent behavior, the reality is that users keep accepting updated online privacy policies, which in turn grant the gathering of more personal data. This project explores re-using this extensive tracking infrastructure for the benefits of both the users themselves and web services, with a goal of preventing online trolling (scenarios in which various groups deploy tactics to influence public opinion on the internet, by leaving biased, false, misleading, and inauthentic comments, and then artificially amplifying their ratings). The project aims to show how the tracking infrastructure can be re-used as a user 'fingerprint,' allowing a lightweight and privacy-preserving form of identification for third-party web sites." The lead researchers on the project, Aleksander Kuzmanovic from Northwestern University, and Alan Mislove from Northeastern University, said: "Public opinion is of paramount importance in any society. It is thus not a surprise that many governments, political parties, and various other groups deploy tactics to influence public opinion on the internet, a practice commonly referred to as trolling." They say their work could help combat "troll armies" used by Russia and China.
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Feds Spend Nearly $500K To 'Combat Online Trolling'

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  • by geek ( 5680 ) on Friday September 02, 2016 @08:38PM (#52819163)

    Title says 500 million. Summary says half a million. Does not compute

    • They mean infinitely more money than should have spent on the topic, but someone found a barrel that needed some pork.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Actually taking into account the subject matter "public OPINION", in this case the National Science Foundation are categorically trolling. Opinion is not facts and should never be associated with facts, opinions are modified by opinions and all opinions have exactly equal weight, practically nothing. Now if they want to pursue truth, then they have to do that in a court of law, the place with facts are presented and challenged, where opinions have their proper weight ie not much at all.

        Of course what this

        • Opinions do not all have the same weight, you are using poor reasoning skills. "The World is Round" is an opinion, and a very good one. The world is Flat is another opinion, but that opinion is bad. See how that works? There is almost nothing that is a pure true or pure false opinion, yet there are surely "good" and "bad" ones.

          That people can make poor opinions is a different question. I don't care that your poor opinion is made public, it gave me a chance to make a correction for all to see.

          I really d

    • by Jeremi ( 14640 )

      The obvious error in the title is an example of on-line trolling (subcategory: nerd-bait).

      The NSF will be here shortly to shut down the offending website. So long, everyone!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 02, 2016 @08:42PM (#52819181)

    The researchers define online trolls as those who try to influence public opinion by boosting 'misleading' and 'inauthentic comments.'

    Where I'm from, they're called politicians.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      In the US it's called the mainstream media.
    • Where I'm from, they're called politicians.

      Yeah, this is pretty insightful. From the summary:

      with a goal of preventing online trolling (scenarios in which various groups deploy tactics to influence public opinion on the internet, by leaving biased, false, misleading, and inauthentic comments, and then artificially amplifying their ratings)

      I'd say if you remove "on the internet" from this definition, it's pretty much a description of a lot of actions by modern political parties.

      Political parties are not generally interested in being "fair and balanced" -- they cite only the ideas supporting their point of view. They have no interest in lauding alternative political views. That's pretty much the definition of ideological "bias." And it's very common for political parties to focus on facts

  • by Pluvius ( 734915 ) <(pluvius3) (at) (gmail.com)> on Friday September 02, 2016 @08:48PM (#52819209) Journal

    It is thus not a surprise that many governments, political parties, and various other groups deploy tactics to influence public opinion on the internet, a practice commonly referred to as trolling.

    No, that's commonly referred to as "astroturfing." Trolling is something totally different, and not something that state actors generally get involved in.

    Rob

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Not like the word means a fucking thing anymore. If someone says something you don't like on the Internet, you can safely call it "trolling".

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Friday September 02, 2016 @08:50PM (#52819221)

    500k is an absurd amount of money to do what basically amounts to "reversing fundamental human nature".

    I could spend $50 and spend the day examining how various popular online forums worked, and probably gain a lot more insight than they ever will...

    Probably most of the $500k is going to Hillary election funds through various shell companies.

    • 500k is an absurd amount of money to do what basically amounts to "reversing fundamental human nature".

      I could spend $50 and spend the day examining how various popular online forums worked, and probably gain a lot more insight than they ever will...

      They're probably just throwing a small team of researchers onto examining the issue, to see if there is a project worth spending real money on. I'm sure the NSF does small projects like this all the time, this one just happened to get a story about it.

      Probably most of the $500k is going to Hillary election funds through various shell companies.

      A completely out of context shot at a politician?

      The thought is appreciated but I don't think they're looking for sample data yet.

      • It's not out of context at all, because a TON of money is funneled from small projects like this to political donors all the time. A nonsensical project like this that consumes hundreds of thousands of dollars for what will be in the end a very small study is the perfect vehicle for graft.

        • It's not out of context at all, because a TON of money is funneled from small projects like this to political donors all the time. A nonsensical project like this that consumes hundreds of thousands of dollars for what will be in the end a very small study is the perfect vehicle for graft.

          The $500k is going to two different universities in the form of grants. And if you're looking to cover part of the professor's salaries, grad students salaries, some equipment, it's a reasonable amount to take a serious look at the project.

          You actually think those professors will somehow misappropriate those grants to either donate to a Clinton campaign fund or give the money to "shell companies" who will then donate it? That's ridiculous.

          Now here's the interesting questions as I see them:

          1) Assuming you we

          • The $500k is going to two different universities in the form of grants.

            And the universities then spend $100-$200k a pop on speaking fees for politicians, because they don't have to spend that money the grants are covering....

            Stop being so naive.

            • I find it to be equivalent to trolling whenever someone (usually a red-state politician) totally mischaracterizes someone's funded research grant as "$x hundred thousand to study toad eyeballs" as they try to sum up 15-30 pages of scientific text into three or four words that are as dismissive of science as possible. Contrary to the Fox News narrative, it's generally pretty hard to get an NSF grant, and they don't typically hand them out for ideas that should have gone to the shredder. Also, at my small-pot
              • Contrary to the Fox News narrative, it's generally pretty hard to get an NSF grant, and they don't typically hand them out for ideas that should have gone to the shredder.

                Except this time they have, which is obvious. SO then it's equally obvious the choice to fund this absurd study was made not to truly fund the study, but so that funds could be directed elsewhere. Do you truly have no inkling of how government contracts are really awarded? I say this as someone working with someone else to get an NSF gr

                • Is it just possible that you're not really an expert in whatever field (or sub-field) this was? And that your opinion of it based on a headline may be inferior to the review panel's evaluation of the full proposal? I certainly never claimed "unshakable belief in the government doing no wrong", but I'm also not enough of a tin-foil consumer to be convinced that any research that doesn't lead immediately to higher profits this quarter is either pie in the sky or out-and-out graft.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Happily my custom HOSTS file already blocks out all online trolling for me. Why is this board so empty, though? Not a single comment in 30 mins?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Watch as 'trolling' becomes 'opinions I don't agree with'.
    This is how 1984 becomes a reality.

    P.S. Posting as AC because I don't have an account.

    • Watch as 'trolling' becomes 'opinions I don't agree with'.
      This is how 1984 becomes a reality.

      P.S. Posting as AC because I don't have an account.

      For some people that has always been the case.

  • by fustakrakich ( 1673220 ) on Friday September 02, 2016 @09:02PM (#52819267) Journal

    Just how can the "misleading" and "inauthentic" speech be eliminated by the government without violating the First Amendment?

    Easy! Just call a constitutional convention and eliminate the First Amendment. Since it's growing more unpopular every day, it shouldn't be a difficult task. In fact we can put the entire Bill of Rights on the block. Anybody got a problem with that? After all, there is a war on... and all this freedom stuff is only making total victory more elusive.

    As a side note, watch for possible shadow banning, and please inform us if you see any evidence of it happening

    • by mi ( 197448 )

      After all, there is a war on... and all this freedom stuff is only making total victory more elusive.

      The bill of Rights and the Constitution in general are threatened not by the obvious authoritarians you have in mind, but rather by the self-identified "Liberals" seeking to ban "Hate Speech" [huffingtonpost.com] and "intolerance".

      • No, they are threatened by the voters who think we have "too much" [newseuminstitute.org] freedom. They are the authoritarians I have in mind. How do we protect ourselves from them should they become a majority?

      • by AaronW ( 33736 )

        The same could be said of Trump who promises to sue the media for negative stories about him [mediamatters.org]. There can be a fine line with hate speech, just like you can't yell fire in a crowded theater or threaten to harm someone. Hate speech has consequences. Joining a hate group (or any group that advocates violence) is a good way to get on the police or FBI's radar, for example.

        • by mi ( 197448 )

          The same could be said of Trump who promises to sue the media for negative stories about him

          No, it can not be. Trump is not (yet) a government official, so his efforts to fight other people's speech are not against the First Amendment.

          There can be a fine line with hate speech [...] a good way to get on the police or FBI's radar

          Thank you for providing this good example of an authoritarian calling for and implicitly approving of police persecuting other people's speech. Like I said, the real danger is from t

          • Trump is not (yet) a government official, so his efforts to fight other people's speech are not against the First Amendment.

            But, he is using government officials (the judges) in his fight. So yes, his efforts are in violation the First Amendment.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Trump is enabled by the government though, via a dodgy legal system that allows someone rich to bankrupt people they don't like even if they don't win, and where expensive lawyers often do win because they are better resourced.

            Rich people should not be able to use their wealth to silence others via a branch of the government.

            • by mi ( 197448 )

              Trump is enabled by the government though

              We all are. This is not about Trump. Anybody — poor, well off, and super rich alike — can and do [wordpress.com] sue for defamation. These are all civil suits and have nothing to do with the First Amendment. Your misconception is common — fustakrakich above [slashdot.org] has posted the same stupidity, for example — but a misconception it is [firstamendmentcenter.org]:

              This freedom, however, does not immunize them from liability for what they publish. A newspaper that publishes false information abou

              • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                I'm not saying that people shouldn't be able to sue for libel, I'm saying that a legal system where the mere threat of suing is chilling due to the high cost of litigation, and where the person with the most money usually wins is bad for everyone.

                At least try to understand the argument you are rebutting before going full brexit on us.

                • by mi ( 197448 )

                  And I am saying, you argument has nothing to do with the First Amendment issues involved in government trying to limit some speech as "hateful" or otherwise incorrect. And, of course, Trump is completely off-topic too.

                  • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                    I wasn't arguing that. I'm well aware of the limitations of the 1st Amendment. I was merely stating that the government is not blameless or uninvolved.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Delisting or deep listing from search sites seems the new tool for govs and their NGO political activists.
      The use of gov mil assets directly seems to be a new idea too.
      The removal of US gov limits on spreading domestic propaganda [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith–Mundt_Act]
      Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media (18 March 2011)
      https://www.theguardian.com/te... [theguardian.com]
      ""online persona management service" that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identi
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    • Arab Spring ring a bell ?

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        • Seems there's quite a few repressive regimes that want internet off switches and are looking to control the content of their nets.

          Just off the top of my head, Saudi Arabia and China both take it very seriously.

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            • I appreciate your point, but let me ask, how do you know free flow of information and the ability to organize wouldn't have done them in ?

              They actually had a much better consumer economy for awhile under Lenin's "New Economic Program"

            • And for all the samizdat activity in the old S.U., what ultimately undid them were blue jeans. Or more precisely, lack of consumer goods.

              No, not really. Soviet Union didn't fall to a popular uprising, after all. What did it in was the inability to change, grow and adapt caused by a system hell-bent on maintaining the status quo at all costs. Censorship was a means to enforce that by essentially lobotomizing the public and thus wasting their creative potential, but the same can be achieved in other ways - f

  • If people believe everything they read in a message board or a web site and don't bother trying to verify it, then they are stupid.
  • How do you differentiate from American citizens here speaking of legitimate problems with our government--from foreign agents?

    In the new world, everyone is a suspected terrorist, and governments become paranoid and attack their own people.

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