Windows 10 Now On 400 Million Active Devices, Says Microsoft (thurrott.com) 153
Microsoft announced today that Windows 10 is now running on over 400 million active devices. This is up from 300 million as of May, and 207 million as of end of the March. The company says that it deems devices that have been active in the past 28 days as "active." Microsoft added that this 400 million active devices figure include tablets and phones as well as Xbox One consoles, HoloLens, and Surface Hubs running Windows 10. Paul Thurrott adds:Microsoft last provided a Windows 10 usage milestone on June 29, when it said that there were 350 million active Windows 10 devices. At that time, I noted that the Windows 10 adoption had accelerated from the previous milestone, hitting an average of almost 29 million new devices per month. But 50 million additional devices over three months is a much slower pace of about 17 million per month. This is the slowest rate since Windows 10 was first announced. Again, no surprise there: Windows 10 was free for its first year, and over that time period it averaged roughly 31.25 million new devices per month (if you assume a figure of 375 million after one year, as I do). Does this mean that Windows 10 will see fewer than 20 million new devices each month, on average, going forward? No, of course not. There's no way to accurately gauge how things will go, given that most future devices will be new PCs purchased by businesses or consumers, or business PCs upgraded to Windows 10.
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willingly?
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http://www.computerworld.com/article/3032976/microsoft-windows/there-s-something-fishy-about-those-windows-10-market-share-numbers.html [computerworld.com]
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Here is a different take on the story: http://www.computerworld.com/article/3032976/microsoft-windows/there-s-something-fishy-about-those-windows-10-market-share-numbers.html [computerworld.com]
I like the author's last paragraph and I quote:
Me? I still rely on Linux — Mint 17.3 to be exact — for my main desktop. With it, I, and not some company, get to decide when to update and when to patch. I like having control over my desktop. If you don’t care, go and follow the Windows 10 lemmings. I’ll go my own way.
For those of use who do use a Linux distribution as our main desktop we only need to change "Mint 17.3" to whatever distribution we are currently running and the sentence pretty much says it all.
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I have an Ubuntu desktop and a Windows laptop. They do different things, and I wouldn't want to get rid of either.
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Microsoft is only counting machines that have been turned on (and I assume connected to the Internet) in the last 28 days as active devices. So the number of devices that have Windows 10 installed could be significantly higher than the number stated. If you haven't had your Windows 10 machine on the Internet in the last 28 days it wouldn't have been counted in the 400 million (so all those systems that had Windows 10 installed just to register the machine then returned to a previous version also wouldn't ha
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M$ also as per their licensing agreement count multiple cores as multiple computers. So still meaningless numbers, especially as they have a history of lying, any press release with regard to sales I would only partially accept, if they were released to the SEC as made part of financial reports, in that case there is at least a legal requirement they be accurate. Other than that typical PR=B$ marketing.
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M$ also as per their licensing agreement count multiple cores as multiple computers. So still meaningless numbers, especially as they have a history of lying, any press release with regard to sales I would only partially accept, if they were released to the SEC as made part of financial reports, in that case there is at least a legal requirement they be accurate. Other than that typical PR=B$ marketing.
If that is the case they must be counting each XBox1's as eight licenses per box since the machine has 8 Cores and it would be very likely that out of the 22 million XB1's most would have been switched on over the last 28 days. Not bad 160+ million computers out of say 20 million physical machines.
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As this is MS, it will include anything they can stick in there without being too obvious. They need to have success with this one, so they are cheating, coercing and lying as far as they think they can go without being slapped down too hard. Better strategy would have been to actually make a good product, but hey, this is MS.
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You may have heard of the concept of a "reputation". Its value is derived from past actions and it can provide circumstantial evidence.
But then, that idea may fly right over your head.
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Umm your nick name is the first clue that paints you as a shill.
But your nickname is the proof that you are a COWARD.
And BTW, if someone wax a paid shill, they would bothe paste on a forum that actually had some influence, and would have a much mire innocuous-sounding nick.
Dumbass.
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I know right?! These fuckers are always copying Apple ! I can't find a way to run the latest Xcode on Snow Leopard. (Meanwhile everything runs on Win7). iOS constantly nags you (with no option to decline) to update. And updates slow down the device to the point where you are forced to throw it away. Like seriously Microsoft, stop fucking copying Apple !!!!
Actually, AC, I was fearful of upgrading my Ancient iPad 2 and my sort-of-ancient iPhone 4s to the last-possible OS (iOS 9.3.5), because I was convinced it would slow them down to the point of uselessness. But, since they were both pretty far behind, OS-wise (the iPad was on iOS 7.1.2, and the iPhone was on iOS 8.something), and iOS 10 was about to come out in a few days (and which was not compatible with either device), I figured I'd better just grit my teeth and do it while I still could.
However, not on
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And besides, there are PLENTY of Applications that won't run on a 32-bit version of Windows 7
I meant 64 bit (only) versions of Windows (which came pre-installed on a lot of machines). That is a barrel of incompatibility!
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AC is right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Awesome video! Excellent, factual rebuttal of the shill that is macs4all...
You thought that was definitive?
1. Most of the things that were NOT Internet-bound were within the margin of error for humans triggering things with their fingers.
2. Did the video say which version of iOS 9 they used? There was a version of iOS 9 (9.1 or 9.2?) that was specifically designed to improve performance on the 4s and iPad 2. Did they use it?
3. Other than the one bit with iTunes on iOS 9 where it never displayed the thumbnails (which I think was a server-side issue), NONE of the OS versions w
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And your data is... ? Nothing? Nothing at all? Hard video proof versus a mac fanboi's vapid claims?
And your data is... ? Nothing? Nothing at all? Hard video proof versus a mac fanboi's vapid claims?
As I said: I don't believe that is "Hard video proof" of ANYTHING, other than the OS versions are pretty close to the same, performance-wise.
And of course, your "standard" is impossible for me to meet; since I cannot go backwards as far as OS installation on my personal iPhone 4s or iPad 2.
Seriously, I watched the video, and it really didn't seem that different overall. And I really would have liked to see more "tests" that didn't rely so heavily on internet-speed; because the "local" operations seemed
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As I said: I don't believe that is "Hard video proof" of ANYTHING, other than the OS versions are pretty close to the same, performance-wise.
And for anyone else who is not a dyed-in-the-wool fanboi, the differences are quite large, a factor of 3 or more in many cases. Case closed.
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And for anyone else who is not a dyed-in-the-wool fanboi, the differences are quite large, a factor of 3 or more in many cases. Case closed.
Did we actually watch the same video? I just re-watched the video, and other than the initial boot time, and perhaps the one iTunes "test", there isn't anything that is "a factor of 3 or more" between the OSes. And even more importantly, iOS 8 seems to be the overall slowest version, which is curious; because iOS 7 seems pretty fast; so something obviously happened in iOS 8. HOWEVER, iOS 9 does beat iOS 8 in almost every case, though; so you can see the result of Apple tweaking iOS 9 to improve performance
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lol..this is pathetic. You know everyone is laughing at you right now right? You know that right??? Listen, you got called out for your bullshit. Don't fight it, just admit that you're a giant Apple cheerleader and move on. Stop digging your own grave. It's really no big deal, and it's not the end of the world. You'll be taken seriously again when you actually have a point that's not complete garbage. Here.. have a hug :)
As I replied to LynwoodRooster, I honestly really didn't see a definitive slowdown across the OS versions in that "Definitive Proof" video. In fact, the performance was remarkably the same from iOS 5 to iOS 9.
So, are you sure we were watching the same video? Because, if the performance dropped-off across the OSes, it would have been a much more confusing "horse race", as the versions got more and more "out of sync" with each "test".
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OH YES! You're so brave for registering an account on Slashdot. I mean, you actually had to provide an email address to register. As we all know, that's not easy to do since there aren't any free email services available on the Internet that can be acquired without supplying verified credentials and identity verification. Now, everyone on Slashdot can see your deeply personal information like.... your email address. Oh, wait, you purposely have yours hidden. Well, still, it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Not as much courage as removing a headphone jack, but still, COURAGE!*
*Apple patent pending
Login and say that.
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willingly?
Precisely.
At the rate things are going, W10 will become the most successful and rapid malware spread since the old "I love you" email virus of 1999...
(no really, I'm fully willing to wager that, say, at least 50% of the installs were pushed onto an ignorant public who would not have otherwise bothered, 10-20% more were shoved onto machines whose owner consciously wanted no such thing, maybe 10-20% from people who actually wanted the thing, and the rest just showed up on new computers.)
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My Android phone doesn't have any Google account on it. I've never installed a Google Play app, just F-Droid apps.
What information is it giving out to Google?
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Are still running Win 7
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Are still running Win 7
I, for one.
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And how many are still running Win 7
Well as of last week StatCounter puts Win7 at 39.46% and Win10 at 24.33% of the desktop OS market share, of course that's not all devices running Win10. But a whole lot and after the free offer ended there's not been much migration at all. I suspect Win7 will be even harder to kill than WinXP and that wasn't easy.
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I've got Win7 on my main desktop machine and on a number of VMs, and there is no way in hell I'm upgrading them. Especially since the latest Windows automatic update killed my laptop over the weekend and I had to get MSI's tech support involved to get it running again (thanks guys!). Microsoft can upgrade all my machines when it can pry Win7 from my cold dead hands... bastards...
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Well, for the subset of Steam users who choose to participate in the survey. In principle, that group is more-or-less representative of all Steam users unless there's some correlation between avoiding the upgrade and not participating in the survey.
I do wish Steam that would add report the sample sizes of their surveys so we can actually draw useful statistical information from them. (If they actually do report the sample sizes then I'd be grateful if somebody were to point out where)
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I take it you didn't even read the post you're replying to.
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...and that wasn't easy (Score:2)
Win XP is still alive. I saw it just yesterday in an NPO I did community services for (I got 10 hours for shooting model rockets with my kids in a CA county park).
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As others have said, XP is no-where near dead, and that was with Windows 7 being the shiny new alternative.
Windows 7 will be several factors harder to kill than XP due to the platform's stability (no thanks in part to M$'s recent efforts), it's huge market share, and the ubiquitous hatred of Win10.
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A quick breakdown (Score:3)
The strange part is the 200 million in 6 months. I'm not entirely sure how that was done, nor do i have the time to really dig into it. Maybe ATM's and POS registers have been upgraded?
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Free Azure virtual machines being handed out like candy to keep customers from Linux might help. There is probably some fine print in there allowing these to be counted.
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How is that strange? Microsoft forced all Win 7/8 computers to upgrade.
I have a couple of computers that disagree. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of others as well.
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Not ALL of them were forced, but there was a span of a month or two where the upgrade to Windows 10 made it difficult to prevent it.
Also, if you had Windows 7 ultimate(such as myself), you were ignored by the Windows 10 upgrade completely.
More curious would be the number of systems that rolled back after the brute-force upgrade
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As someone who makes and customizes retail software, I can tell you that existing POS registers will NEVER upgrade from XP. That's right, XP. Not even Windows 7. And the reason is because it just works, and the hardware requirements are so low. New ones coming out will likely have a stripped down version of 10 for retail, but there's no such animal as "upgrading POS registers to Windows 10".
The 200 million was from... (Score:2)
The upgrade nag changed from "hit the x, and it stops the nag", to "hit the x and windows upgrade remains scheduled" so you wake up a few days later and windows 10 is installed.
I consider myself a hawk about those things and got caught by it, 100% not wanting to upgrade.
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... Maybe ATM's and POS registers have been upgraded?
They are all gonna be a real POS now!
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Doubtful at this point. Many of those vendors are being targeted with Win10 IoT, which hasn't been available long enough for new systems to be developed and deployed. In 6 to 12 months we'll start to see all the old XP-based POS, ATM, and other kiosk solutions get replaced with RaspberryPi + Win10 IoT, which is the intended market of the OS (well, Universal App bootloader), not hobbyists.
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XBox One runs Windows 10??
Clippy says... (Score:4, Funny)
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Not sure I would classify 50 million/3 months (16.6667 million per month) as much lower than 17 million per month.
It is much lower than 29 million a month. Reading comprehension helps in discussions.
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Krebs, is that you?
Still off Windows 10 (Score:2)
Thank god! (and I'm not even religious!)
Re:Still off Windows 10 (Score:4, Funny)
Thank god! (and I'm not even religious!)
Everyone is religious when it comes to operating systems.
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As long as there is Microsoft, there will be prayer in computing!
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W10 is flaky but mostly usable.
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one of the x million claimed users has W10 silently sleeping on a HD somewhere laying around on the floor waiting to be used at one point, when I get around....
Got more important stuff to do.
Ah - when I try again and plug on the disk, network cable is unplugged and there is somewhere a printout of this:
http://www.howtogeek.com/22386... [howtogeek.com]
which I have to read in more detail...
Just rename windows 8 ... (Score:3, Interesting)
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Surface RT version of "Windows 10"
There isn't a windows 10 version of RT, though. All they did was put in an update that inserted a half-assed windows 10 look-a-like menu into RT 8.1.
They abandoned Windows RT after the Surface 2 came out, and before Windows 10 was released.
Also the Xbox One does in fact have a true version of Windows 10, as well as the phone. The 10 OS was designed to be multi-platform, or what they call "Continuum," in that they can have the same OS and the same experience across console, phone and PC, all with the same co
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Continuum isn't a cross-compiler, MS bet the mobile farm on Intel producing mobile chipsets. MS can't target ARM for crap, that's why they dropped RT and is also why they're now screwed in mobile.
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They all run on the exact same kernel and have the same WinRT runtime. The only difference is ARM vs x86 compiler. They're as similar as Ubuntu for ARM and ubuntu for x86.
Xbox is a bit of a unique case in that it run's AAA titles in a stripped down VM and apps in another VM. But the Apps VM is effectively Windows 10 Desktop but with a different explorer.exe
Windows 10 Mobile isn't running something like WinRT Mobile, like Windows Mobile 6 ran .NET Mobile it's a full WinRT.NET implementation with the full
Seriously, *only* 400 million? (Score:3)
...Microsoft added that this 400 million active devices figure include tablets and phones as well as Xbox One consoles, HoloLens, and Surface Hubs running Windows 10. Paul Thurrott adds:...
After a year of lambasting users to upgrade, at times trying to trick and mislead users into upgrading, 400 million devices, which includes tablets and phones as well as Xbox One consoles, is all that Windows 10 has garnered so far?
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Instead of issuing a press release, Microsoft should be hanging its head in shame.
Massive distributed Botnet in 3 .. 2 .. 1 .. NOW! (Score:1)
Security is Microsoft number one priority! They make it their priority to have no security!
I wonder... (Score:2)
If mine that i use once a month to install update is considered active?
Reading it wrong (Score:4, Interesting)
You guys are reading this wrong. This isn't a, "Wow, Windows 10 is so cool," article, this is a, "Wow, Microsoft has managed to force more people to upgrade faster than they did going from XP to Windows 7." And in that regard, yes, Microsoft has mastered that one aspect of the game much better than they did in the past.
Yeah, well... (Score:2)
UPS is to deliver a machine this afternoon w/Win10 installed. I have my Debian install media right here, so I'm all set.
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Still counts as a Win10 license sold.
So does every OEM PC with a preinstalled Win7 or 8.1 Pro now. OEMs are forced to use "Win10 Pro with downgrade rights" licenses, which get counted - you guessed it - as a Win10 sale.
an infection is as an infection does (Score:2)
Despite the brass ring TOS of whatever version you were previously running, an infection is as an infection does.
Also, read your antibiotic prescription carefully.
* may include systemd[**]
[**] First we keep Berlin, then we take Warsaw, someday soon we annex Prague, and eventually perhaps we'll incite the Arabs to cut Manhattan down to size.
All hail PC-BSD: the systemd-free libertarian antibiotic of last resort.
Windows 10 Now On 400 Million Active Devices, Says (Score:2)
"Windows 10 Now On 400 Million Active Devices, Says Microsoft (thurrott.com) "
Shouldn't that be: Windows 10 Now on 400 Million "previously active" devices.
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I'm actually curious as to what their definition of active is. I have a Windows 10 / Android hybrid tablet. It pretty much just run Android, but, I have booted it into Windows a couple of times and have even let it apply the anniversary update. But, this machine is really only being used when it is running Android. So, how is it counted?
"Active" Devices (Score:2)
All those devices are very active downloading updates and crap from Microsoft.
The medical based business I work for... (Score:2)
deliberately buys refurbished laptops and desktops with Windows 7 Professional on them, or buys new PCs with 8.1 Pro and downgrade rights.
We will never willingly move from 7 Professional due to the massive violation of HIPAA, Sarbanes-Oxley, and other laws that Windows 10 is both accused of AND has been verified doing. Seriously, I doubt you see any major hospital or other medical profession make the move to 10 -- willingly at any rate.
Yes, eventually, we may have to move to Windows 10 but I am hoping that
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Year of the Linux Hospital Desktop.
Flamebait (Score:2)
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