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Windows 10 For PCs Build 14997 Leaks Online (neowin.net) 102

Posted by msmash from the windows-10-builds dept.
An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft had last week said that it wouldn't be releasing a new Windows 10 build for insiders on Fast ring this year. But the supposed build has leaked online. The build 14997 contains a few new features, such as a refreshed Settings app, theme support from the Store (you might recall that with 14986, you could download them from the Store, but had to install them manually), a number of Edge improvements such as tab expansion, blue light reduction features, and more. Since it's a leaked build, we would suggest treading carefully before downloading it. You might just want to avoid it until it's available from the official channel.
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  • and 2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

    • Also in 2017 we will see the EmDrive and AI and autonomous cars and Mars spacecraft. It will be an exciting year!

    • and 2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

      That's only funny if there is a context for it.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Better than 2017 being the year that windows coming with a vibrate feature and lubricant to make that probe slide in easier. New settings app so that M$ can more readily overide your fantasy privacy settings. It spread you wide when you are not looking and when you go to check, it closes everything up and when you checking, it spreads you wide open again. They were just doing with compulsory upgrades (what the score, three times now) but it was pissing everyone off, hence the new app to hide it and they fu

    • I finally found and bought a TrueOS CD from OSDisc.com and installed it last week, finally upgrading my PC-BSD 10.2 system. Unfortunately, the name change from PC-BSD to TrueOS needlessly disrupted the migration process by disabling the PC-BSD mirrors that were previously used for the upgrades. That in turn left pretty old versions of Firefox and Chromium locked at those versions: nothing in AppCafe could be upgraded. Lumina is now better than ever, and I don't need to install KDE/GNOME/LXDE/XFCE or any

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Beta was better than VHS too. Who won that war again?

      • Re:GNU+Linux is better (Score:5, Informative)

        by Gadget_Guy ( 627405 ) on Monday December 26, 2016 @12:37PM (#53555853)

        Beta was better than VHS too. Who won that war again?

        The one with the longer running time that could actually fit an entire movie on a single tape when the formats were originally released. The cheaper one. The one that was licensed to any manufacturer who wanted it rather than just a single supplier. Which format had all that? Not the "better" Betamax. While Beta had a slightly better picture quality, it lost out in every other way to VHS.

        Once again, Sony had a great product, but was ultimately hampered by the fact that it was Sony.

    • Re:GNU+Linux is better (Score:5, Interesting)

      by smallfries ( 601545 ) on Monday December 26, 2016 @12:04PM (#53555759) Homepage

      It has some features by default that really need to get added into Windows 10.

      If I set Windows Defender to be off - I want it off - do not re-enable it on a timer.
      If I do not want the machine to update - do not forcibly reboot it.
      If I have edited the registry to avoid it rebooting after an update - do not edit it back in behind my back.

      When I am running a machine in a closed environment and I only want it to change / update / reboot at desired times I don't expect Microsoft to "know better" and do it anyway. Also, it would be nice if SLI worked properly instead of over-reporting VRAM to games and causing crashes because of "memory leaks"...

      • If I have edited the registry

        Wrong. Either provide a facility to customise and track the setting or don't. But I would never expect an OS to attempt to keep track of modified registry settings during an update. Doing so would break the ability to update windows.

        When I am running a machine in a closed environment and I only want it to change / update / reboot at desired times I don't expect Microsoft to "know better" and do it anyway.

        If you're running in a closed environment why would it reboot? It's not going to install updates so it won't.

        • It reboots because Microsoft used forced reboots on a timer, after forcibly downloading updates, after forcibly switching those setting back on.

          • So you're not running in a closed environment then if you're system is going on the internet and getting some updates.

            Thanks for clarifying.

            Windows 10 doesn't reboot in a closed environment because it can't auto-update in a closed environment.

            • That's interesting, I may have to experiment with blacklisting it in the router and see what effect it has.

    • and 2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

      I agree wholeheartedly. Actually 2016 for me was the Year of the Great Revival of the Linux Desktop, with special thanks to Microsoft for pushing me over the edge with their telemetry and the general crap that Win10 is. I'm a Never-Win10'er - I will never use it in my life, guaranteed, and only have Win8 on one dedicated music system at home that runs a funky driver for a synthesizer I use. Other than that I'm all Linux and absolutely loving it.

      Check out KDE Neon or Linux Mint Cinnamon. Check out Wine w

  • ...which is evident when one has to tinker w/ settings (already gone through several changes) and themes rather than do anything substantial.

    One thing I suggested to them (I beta tested when Windows 10 was not released) and never saw was them adding the ability to view video in the Photos app (for videos of the family that are taken) as well as in the Groove app (since the Movies app is mainly for movies). In the iToys, one can have music videos in a playlist, which is handy if one is driving. With Wind

    • Is there no Windows Media Player in 10? Not that I'd ever use it by choice when there are alternatives like VLC around, but it should suit your needs if it's still there.

      • No, Media Player was deprecated in 10: in fact, even if you upgraded from 7 or 8 to 10, Media Player is deleted from the new installation.

        • No its not, i use Windows Media Player every day. Unlike the modern player, WMP will play while minimized. Media CENTER was deprecated.

          • You are right - thanks for correcting me here. It was indeed Media Center that was deprecated

            Anyway, to answer newcastlejon's question above, Media Player is there on PCs, but I had given them the above suggestion w/ both Windows 10 Mobile and tablets in mind. At the time, I had a Winbook, as well as a Windows Phone. While I didn't think of Media Player in the Winbook, now that he mentioned it, I went to my Windows Phone and looked for it. It's not there, since it's a legacy application that Microsoft

        • Windows Media Player is still there in 10, it was the 10 foot Windows Media Center that was removed along with the ability for Windows to play DVD's out of the box, unless you upgraded from Professional or Ultimate and got lucky with their limited-time offer of a free player.

    • Microsoft has no competent top-level managers? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Futurepower(R) ( 558542 ) on Monday December 26, 2016 @01:41PM (#53556113) Homepage
      "Microsoft has run out of ideas..."

      I think Microsoft has no competent top-level managers. It appears to me that Satya Nadella was chosen to be CEO because he was less annoying than the other candidates who were considered. Nadella doesn't seem to have the immense social and technology skills that are required for running a huge technology organization.

      Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was called Monkey Boy [businessinsider.com] on the cover of BusinessWeek Magazine. He appeared to have little or no technical knowledge. He appeared to have no interest in learning.

      Because Microsoft has a virtual monopoly, it is easy to make money. (Apple charges 3 to 5 times more, and has only 7.4% of PC computer sales [appleinsider.com].)
      • Man, I miss NTK.
      • I used to wonder why he was called that until I saw this video of him [youtube.com] - see just the first 30 seconds of this clip. I do think more than technical knowledge, what he lacked was common sense. That was what explained the whole Windows 8 fiasco, although Nadella has arguably made things worse.

  • WHO CARES? Windows is a dead spyware. (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    WHO CARES, REALLY?
    Windows is a dead spyware.
    Time to move on.

  • I'm not installing Windows 10 till it's done. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    According to Microsoft, it's the last version of Windows, which means by definition it'll never be "done". I have no interest in signing up to become a perpetual beta tester. Guess it's Win 7 for me until I have to find something else...

  • Title is a little misleading. (Score:4, Funny)

    by fleabay ( 876971 ) on Monday December 26, 2016 @11:51AM (#53555719)
    "Windows 10 For PCs Build 14997 Leaks Online"

    but that's AFTER you install it.

    • That was the way I first read it - the headline made it sound like it would be putting out user information once it was installed.

  • Microsoft Windows 10 is now like IBM OS/2 (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Windows 10 is the only windows version I did not bother to install in any of my PCs. Nowadays I run all Linux. I also used MacOSX in the past, but since Tiger is going downhill, each version worse than previous.

  • And further forwarded it elsewhere (Score:3)

    by Impy the Impiuos Imp ( 442658 ) on Monday December 26, 2016 @01:06PM (#53555941) Journal

    Since it's a leaked build, we would suggest treading carefully before downloading it. You might just want to avoid it until it's available from the official channel.

    Good idea. You wouldn't wanna accidentally install something that monitored everything you did and sent that info back to somewhere.

  • >such as a refreshed Settings app,

    It's important to keep moving things around in the settings app. You don't want people becoming too familiar with where things are.

  • Windows 10 Enterprise Buyer's Club? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DoofusOfDeath ( 636671 ) on Monday December 26, 2016 @03:29PM (#53556647)

    I've heard that users of Windows 10 Enterprise can eliminate most of the nasty qualities found in Windows 10 Professional edition.

    I've also heard that the biggest barrier to obtaining Windows 10 Enterprise is that Microsoft will only sell licenses in very large (1000+?) quantities.

    If all of the above are true, has anyone looked into forming a Windows 10 Enterprise "Buyers Club"? I.e., we get 1000 would-be users of Windows 10 Enterprise, and form a purchasing block. The "organization" through which the licensing occurs would be that buyer's club.

    Perhaps my Google-Fu is weak, but I've found nothing on the web discussing this approach.

    • I've heard that users of Windows 10 Enterprise can eliminate most of the nasty qualities found in Windows 10 Professional edition.

      If you're talking about controlling windows update then just install one of those after market packages to make it work. If you're talking about telemetry then don't hold your breath. Enterprise builds leak no more or less than the professional builds with the options turned off. Which is to say search still calls up cortana, apps still leak shit on the web, and in general nothing really is different.

      The idea of a purchasing block is silly because of the huge expense vs no benefit of what you can get right

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        "... then just install one of those after market packages to make it work..."

        You know, in the reality I used to live in, we made after-market packages to add functionality to the OS that it didn't have. We definitely did NOT make them to turn off stupid unnecessary shit that the OS is doing that we don't want it to do.

        Of course, in the reality I used to live in, a president Trump wasn't a thing that could even get a chuckle, much less actually happen.

        I seem to have lost the keys to my proper reality - if a

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by mea2214 ( 935585 )
      A better approach is for some lawyer to organize a class action lawsuit against MS and sue the shit out of them where a judge mandates they stop forced updates/reboots and machines whose owner does not want it to reboot on all editions (default opt out, ask opt in). Messing with someone else's property is unethical and possibly very illegal. The telemetry they send is described here: https://technet.microsoft.com/... [microsoft.com] A note at the end states this:

      Microsoft does not intend to gather sensitive information, such as credit card numbers, usernames and passwords, email addresses, or other similarly sensitive information for Linguistic Data Collection. We guard against such events by using technologies to identify and remove sensitive information before linguistic data is sent from the user’s device. If we determine that sensitive information has been inadvertently received, we delete the information.

      They admit that they might accidentally harvest your bank

      • except it's neither, if this was possible on any mass scale

        1) it would have already happened.

        2) MS would have never had that as a policy

        The owner has the freedom to use another OS if the updates are a problem, and ms has the right to sell a product as they see fit. There is no problem, except for those that want to stay on windows.

  • I can't wait to install the latest malware and try all of the new exciting features!

  • Who'd want a leaked version of Win10? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday December 26, 2016 @04:09PM (#53556803)

    Is there any Windows 10 user left that doesn't feel enough like a Beta tester already from having the updates crammed down his throat that he'd really want to install something that's most likely even more prone to "interesting behaviour"?

    Wake me when Win10 becomes usable. Until then you can leak it all you want, nobody who didn't already drink the KoolAid will care.

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