Playboy Is Featuring Naked Women Again -- After Dropping Nudity a Year Ago Due To the Internet (nypost.com) 259
mi quotes a report from New York Post: The 63-year-old legendary men's magazine is bringing back nude models in its upcoming issue -- one year after banning naked photos in an effort to boost circulation and attract more mainstream advertisers. That effort obviously has failed. One of the main reasons why Playboy dropped nudity in the first place was because the internet filled the demand. Ravi Somaiya reports in the New York Times, "For a generation of American men, reading Playboy was a cultural rite, an illicit thrill consumed by flashlight. Now every teenage boy has an internet-connected phone instead. Pornographic magazines, even those as storied as Playboy, have lost their shock value, their commercial value and their cultural relevance." The issues published under the no-nudes policy, which featured both scantily clad models and could-be naked women with strategic parts of their body covered up, will all change with the March/April issue now hitting newsstands. The issue trumpets the change with a cover headline: "Naked is normal."
Frist post? (Score:2)
Where are all the Nerds? Oh, right. They read computer mags.
Never mind...
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They read computer mags.
They're called "zines", you ignoramus.
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Yeah, but computer magazines are pretty much meh these days. :(
See, now things are getting better (Score:5, Funny)
Only in Trump's American can a naked Playboy emerge from the ashes of clothed boringness! We're going to make America undraped again!
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Nudes for nerds, stuff that matters ! Yes!
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Re:larry flynt for president (Score:5, Funny)
better than Obama, where Playmates got hope and a change of clothes
Re:larry flynt for president (Score:5, Funny)
Every month.....same chick....
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Eh, are you crazy? wife = chick? That must be some new use of the word chick I was previously unaware of.
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Well, they all start as a chick and become a harpy.
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No, chick is slang to refer to a girl or woman, not specifically a wife.
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Chick is derived from the Spanish "Chiquita" meaning "young girl".
Nothing about looks in there.
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Right. Because when a word gets borrowed into another language it like totally retains all the connotations and nuances of the original.
Re:larry flynt for president (Score:5, Funny)
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over, and rummages through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Eh, are you crazy? wife = chick? That must be some new use of the word chick I was previously unaware of.
I don't recall my "honey" having anything to do with beekeeping, nor does my "baby" resemble her infant state in any way, so how about we lay off the attacks on wife slang already. You're making a grammar Nazi look tame by comparison.
Free (Score:3)
Has anyone here ever actually paid for porn?
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Has anyone here ever actually paid for porn?
Companies wouldn't still be in business if people didn't.
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That's like saying Wal-Mart couldn't exist if it didn't treat its employees with respect and pay them livable wages.
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You can probably find that on a porn site somewhere...
Rule #69
Re: Free (Score:5, Interesting)
What? A living wage is an easily definable concept: a wage at which people workign full time with said wage can maintain a normal standard of living, that is, afford housing, food, electricity, and so on. :
The plural of anecdote is not evidence. I'm glad your son has gotten employed, but keep in mind that wallmart's abuses towards their workforce are such that they even have their own wiki article' [wikipedia.org]
As this article well puts it: [cnbc.com]
Etc. So they're paying a below livable wage and then making their employees use benefits to try and survive. They're essentially subsidizing a large part of their labor costs with tax-money because what they're paying people is not enough to live on in many areas.
I totally disagree that this is 'taking care' of their employees. It's blatant abuse, of both the employees themselves as well as tax-payer money that has to be spent on their employees on account of them not paying a livable wage or offering proper health care.
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And yet Walmart doesn't seem to have a problem finding employees.
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And yet Walmart doesn't seem to have a problem finding employees.
That's a sign of necessity, not because that shit is awesome. BTW, I do not buy that a minimum wage is/should be a living wage. The solution is not to make a minimum wage a living wage, but to create routes for people to progress economically.
And that's what the problem is. There used to be a time, not that long actually, where people could reasonably climb up out of minimum wages. Why? Because there was a variety of jobs.
Things have changed. Whole classes of jobs do not exist anymore; this country hasn
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I totally disagree that this is 'taking care' of their employees. It's blatant abuse, of both the employees themselves as well as tax-payer money that has to be spent on their employees on account of them not paying a livable wage or offering proper health care.
And yet, with all the other options available to them, people choose to work for Walmart. Why do you suppose that is? I think it must be because Walmart is the best place to work for compared to those others. Either those other places pay less wag
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Because getting some money is better than getting no money. It's not like the poeple who end up working in a wal-mart have a wide choice of places to work in. You seem to assume people without education can simply pick where they work. If there were masses of jobs with a higher pay than wall-mart's available, obviously people would rather work somewhere else.
Secondly, this is not the case for
failure in logic (Score:2)
Why do you suppose that is? I think it must be because Walmart is the best place to work for compared to those others
Nooo. Because it is the largest employer, and sometimes the only employer, with open positions. Other smaller players have equally shitty positions, but in less numbers, or have better positions (but again, in smaller numbers.)
I'm not going around hating Walmart, but I'm not going to bullshit myself to think people go to work at Walmart because ZOMGITSOFUCKINGAWESOMETHEBESTBIGLY.
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Huh? Where the heck do you live?
Living wages most certainly exist. I make one. I have ever since I graduated university. And it's not at a union shop.
In my fair town the poverty activists have calculated the living wage as just under $20/hr. There are tons of jobs that pay that much. Though to be fair, there are also tons that don't.
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With all due respect, great you found and posted the definition of a living wage.
I don't know how old you are but I turn 49 in a few days. At no time in my IT career have I ever seen a living wage. I did receive a nice boost in salary when the one company I worked for was bought out and they gave me a nice boost in pay to match what other employees were making at a similar position. My wife is a teacher with 21 years experience including receiving teacher of the year for her brilliant work with inner city kids. She also has yet to receive a living wage. It's a concept that simply doesn't exist. I watched my father work for a large international company and he went 4 years once with basically 1% increase each year. He retired from that company after 30 years of service. He held a pretty important position and loved his job but never once did he receive anything close to a living wage.
Maybe at some union shops you get a living wage. But you turn around and have to pay union dues which removes any benefit of a so called living wage. And those dues always seem to go up each year.
If at 49 and in IT you haven't seen a living wage, you have been fucking up big time.
I'm 47, in Software and IT, where salaries are way above the median, in an industry where a 6-figure salary for a senior position is the norm.
An IT salary not being a living salary? There something fubar with personal finances me thinks.
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Has anyone here ever actually paid for porn?
Companies wouldn't still be in business if people didn't.
Sure they would, they give away the movies and make their profit from live shows and merchandising, right?
Seth Warshavsky (Score:2)
I worked for IEG (Seth Warshavsky, Wikipedia it...). People pay for porn.
Re:Free (Score:5, Interesting)
Has anyone here ever actually paid for porn?
I used to admin (on a retainer, they called when they needed something) the bookkeeping system for a adult store chain. in the early 90's they booked over 2 million net profit per month. In 99 when I stopped, it was less than 300K. Company was sold off and it is now owned by a company whose name you know if I said it, and appears to be making profits again. I dunna know.
Re:Free (Score:5, Interesting)
I worked at a 4 location local video store chain in the early 1990s. Our location was one of the two locations that had porn titles.
We used to run reports near close and there were some nights where we made 80% of our revenue on porn movies. 75% of that gay porn.
At this store, the actual tapes were shelved behind the counter and an empty box with a hunk of foam inside was on the shelf. You brought the box, we put the tape in a plastic VHS carry case when you rented it.
The porn room was a separate room in the back of the store, but the whole empty box selection routine worked the same. But the porn boxes were probably 50% larger in area than the regular titles, but people would always walk out of there and grab the FIRST title they could reach (the A section of drama) in some vain attempt to cover the box, which of course it never did. And they would do it when no one else was in the store, too -- like, umm, I have to read the title to give you the actual videotape to take home. No secrets here.
One night I moved the tiny self-help & how-to section to where drama was supposed to start because I figured nobody rented them anyway, and if the nervous porn hounds were going to just grab random titles they might as well not decimate the As out of the drama section.
The biggest hoots were when we people whose name you recognized -- or people you knew! -- came in for porn, especially gay porn.
Re:Free (Score:5, Funny)
I was only renting those for the articles.
True Porn Clerk Stories (Score:3)
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"We used to run reports near close and there were some nights where we made 80% of our revenue on porn movies. 75% of that gay porn"
In the 80s, I worked at a magazine chain that also rented movies. Several locations would rent adult films but the revenue champ was the main location downtown that included gay porn. All employees with less than 5 yrs seniority were required to rotate among several locations; the worst part of working downtown was when a customer wanted a refund because of problems with the re
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I read that one of the dirty secrets of the mainstream entertainment business was how much money they made selling pay per view porn in hotels.
Which I guess makes sense since it just shows up as "MOVIE" on the bill, allowing people who stay in hotels to buy it (and often expense it) and watch it and no one was the wiser.
When I used to stay at a Hyatt in Irvine, they had a single porn movies and some kind of 6 hour, all-you-could-eat extravaganza of porn. I always wondered who bought the extravaganza. Bach
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Was. PPV porn revenue has plummeted in recent years.
The Hilton chain dropped it entirely last year. They made a big announcement about 'values' and 'family,' the usual stuff to try to score points with a certain demographic, but the real reason was purely financial.
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but the real reason was purely financial.
Probably happened around the same time the unwashed masses started demanding free wifi. I never thought of it that way, but I can only assume that's why hotels resisted offering wifi for the longest time.
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Twice, two issues of the Playboy magazine from the same model (Tiazinha) in 1999 and 2000. I was a teenager but I still have them for sentimental value.
Re:Free (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes. Not directly for quite a few years, but even in modern times I'll tip girls on cam sites and such. Not huge amounts (probably no more than $20 per month in total), but I try to support the content I like in some way. I also subscribe to a few Twitch streamers and am a Patreon of a handful of Youtubers.
If you don't, eventually the content goes away.
That said, while I think they'll certainly sell more issues with nudes, the whole concept of nude vs non-nude isn't Playboy's problem. The problem is that it's a magazine. While people might still be willing to pay for content, they're not willing to pay for content in that particular format anymore.
To a large degree I the shift the in the market is just making huge companies with a big staff just not profitable. Sure some things like a blockbuster movie is hard to do at home, but what Playboy is selling can be provided by any pretty girl with a camera in her bedroom. She can provide the product with a LOT less overhead than a huge company.
Re:Free (Score:4, Interesting)
playboy is more of a brand than anything nowadays.
also playboy does some non-nude variations internationally already.
the thai version is non-nude for example.. and they got a thai tv channel thats non-nude too.
this new "we'll have nudes but they're not going to be 100% sexual but just natural" thing sounds like a disaster though.
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The problem is that it's a magazine. While people might still be willing to pay for content, they're not willing to pay for content in that particular format anymore.
Personally, I always found magazines much more comfortable than tablets or laptops for, er, reading.
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Not just to view, no, but I have paid to commission pornographic artwork.
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One was of Aria Giovanni, one of Akira Fubuki, and one hentai tentacle porn vid "Urotsukidoji: Legend of the Overfiend".
Then as a college freshman I bought the French "movie" full of unsimulated sex, "Baise Moi", which was basically a graphic version of Thelma & Louise, but with porn actresses in the lead roles.
On a few occasions I've bought Japanese porn mags in the convenience stores if a particular model catches my eye, and they often c
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That's not porn, it's no more porn than "3x3 Eyes", all those Masamune Shirow books and ... damn I see your point - so many tentacles.
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The college guys who bothered reading the articles and reviews were aiming for that MBA=BMW pie in the sky lifestyle.
Wealthy lifestyle porn still exists. It's called "Forbes".
Actual rich people don't read Forbes.
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Why would they? That would be like a rock star reading a teen magazine.
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This just in: Having a weird fetish means there is little free porn for you.
That's absolutely a huge part of the paying market (Score:2)
> This just in: Having a weird fetish means there is little free porn for you.
And that accounts for more than half of the porn *sold*.
In another life, I wrote the security system that was used by most "pay sites", sites like GirlsGoneWild and NetvideoGirls with a monthly subscription. There is a lot of free^H^H^H^H^H ripped off tits and ass on the web. People pay for it when there's something special about the site. Either "weird fetish" or just "hook", a gimmick, something a bit different about the
Patreon for porn (Score:2)
I pay $5,000 for a shoot and 24 hours after I put it on the site some asshole puts it on the tubes
Definite proof that what they need, is some sort of patronage/crowd-sourcing.
Get 200 guys pay an average of 25$, the highest bidders get to make request (so they can fullfill whatevet they want they could not easily find elsewhere) - biggest bidders get to take a small part in production (either technical, like holding light. Or a small cameo in a scene. Whatever floats their boat)
Then it doesn't matter if the film is on porn hub the next day, he already got his 5000$ back before he even started.
Kind of how
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Then it doesn't matter if the film is on porn hub the next day, he already got his 5000$ back before he even started.
Yes, but unless someone pays for the movie, he'll make no profit.
That's a hobby, not a sustainable business model.
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This is what I've been saying for years. There is no way to stop or regulate people swapping data among themselves. DRM does not work and no one, no matter how talented, is going to find a way to make it work.
What is sad is how producers have failed to understand the issue. They want to believe they can produce and sell data same as any other material good that is subject to scarcity. They've gone to great lengths to try to turn this dark fantasy into reality, and have of course completely failed. Th
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Don't try to out-weird me or I retaliate with things you wish you could unsee.
My job is in IT security, and for the longest time this was in criminal forensics. I have seen things mortal men fear to think of.
Glad they made amends (Score:5, Insightful)
When I was young, my uncle left a Playboy Magazine at our house. I saw it and my mother said "go ahead and look at it, the people in them are all the same".
No, they weren't. Even today, I have never seen a woman that is "the same".
When a kid/teenager can't get the real thing, good ol' Playboy did the job. It opened the wonder of women and all of their "parts" that I had never seen before. It was good old home entertainment. I wore out some pages on my favorite issues (no, they didn't get stuck together but they came close.... oops, pardon the pun).
When I read that Playboy eliminated the nudes, I couldn't believe it.
I'm glad they went back to their roots.
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The problem they had was an increasing need for novelty when simple nudity (and much more) was widely available online for free without the need to make an embarrassing purchase. They would get celebrities to pose every month, getting as desperate as featuring Marge Simpson.
Even that was not very effective because of course the images were instantly scanned and put online for free anyway.
Basically, you can't make much money out of printing soft porn these days. Playboy was always more than that though, it h
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Well, I can't say I was ever a fan of Playboy, but surely the nude photos were the only interest it had? I think there is a lot to be said for good quality (and perhaps even artistic) erotic photography, and if I remember correctly, Playboy actually tried to achieve that. But I think what let them down was their lack of real taste - there was too much in the way of glitter, fur and high heels, back when I had the opportunity to look at them (I could never be bothered to actually buy it). I'm far more intere
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I can't say I was ever a fan of Playboy, but surely the nude photos were the only interest it had?
They do/did publish work by proper writers, like Ray Bradbury and Vladimir Nabokov.
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If someone comes at me with a blade I will counter with my club.
My club has fifty people in it.
When the barbarians are at the gate teamwork is the way to do it, and you can either join in or not.
Re:Glad they made amends (Score:5, Insightful)
Anonymous Slashdot troll plays sports, gets pussy, tonight on Shit That Never Happened!
Just because you weigh the size of a small calf, and smell of bitter cheese. Doesn't mean some of us, even with crippling injuries don't get out and play hockey a couple of times a week.
Jabbing aside, the main reason why playboy dumped nudes was because they put a new "feminist editor" in who knew exactly what was needed for the magazine. And people stopped buying. GQ another men's magazine has for the last couple of years been pulling a "it's all white mens faults" bullshit after they put the same type of asshole in place, needless to say they're not doing very good. It's not limited to print, sites like Esquire are doing the same. And again, suffering for it. People don't like identity politics, and they even less like it when said identity politics tells one particular group of people they're responsible for *all* of the worlds ills and they're all rapists.
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Doesn't mean some of us, even with crippling injuries don't get out and play hockey a couple of times a week.
I think you probably need to check out a decent dictionary for the definition of "crippling". It will include something along the lines of "definitely unable to play hockey".
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Ah, of course it was somehow a feminists fault...
Actually it's just part of the general decline of magazines and of adult magazines in particular. There is an infinite supply of free smut on the internet, and sales of non-pornographic "lads mags" full of bikini clad women are falling too as we reach a kind of saturation, Most of them turned to novelty a while back, featuring celebrity exclusives as a way to provide something that the internet can't, but of course the images were circulated instantly.
Playboy
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My brother in law had some kind of anniversary coffee table book about Playboy with selections of POTM throughout the years.
Up until about the mid-late 1970s, there women and settings seemed a lot more normal and naturalistic. A fair amount of natural light, outdoors kind of photos. I'm sure the photos were airbrushed to hell and back, but it didn't come off all soft-focus, velvet and lace, and the women themselves seemed to be fairly real.
By the late 70s and 80s, the settings changed and it seemed like m
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Future of Internet Porn (Score:2)
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man are you clueless on Trump's views about Playboy. Trump was even interviewed in Playboy in the 90s and also appeared in a couple of their videos.
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Trump was even interviewed in Playboy in the 90s and also appeared in a couple of their videos.
Yeah, of course, have you seen the women he imports? On the other hand, after Trump gets impeached and Pence becomes president, everything liberal had better watch the fuck out.
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And THIS is exactly why Trump won't be impeached.
For Trump, Pence is better than any insurance policy.
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Completely true, and Trump is saving tons of taxpayer money by not needing Secret Service protection. Nobody would think to take out Trump because Pence is waiting in the wings...
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Trump doesn't really have a lot of views on social issues. He has positions of convenience. He has already signed a pledge to fight against the evils of pornography, not because he personally believes in that cause, but because that is the expected thing for a Republican to do and he needs the party behind him. His position on abortion is exactly the same: Once he joined the Republicans, he suddenly decided to switch sides on that too.
On economics, and on border security, he appears to have some strong view
Naked is normal?! (Score:3, Funny)
I'm sorry, but naked women are anything but natural.
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I'm sorry, but naked women are anything but natural.
What fucking planet do you come from where being naked isn't natural? Are people on your planet born in scuba gear or something?
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In America, naked women look like planets.
Re:Naked is normal?! (Score:5, Funny)
Do you want to get wooshed? Because this is how you get wooshed.
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I'm sorry, but naked women are anything but natural.
What fucking planet do you come from where being naked isn't natural? Are people on your planet born in scuba gear or something?
Whilst I firmly believe that sex is one of the most natural and wholesome things money can buy... the kind of naked women in Playboy are not natural. They have always, at the very least, been airbrushed the hell out of. Add to that the fact a lot of them are surgically altered (boob jobs, arse implants, now we've got thigh and ab implants), I wouldn't call them natural.
Also the notion that sex and sensuality is wrong and immoral comes from growing up in a religious environment. This also tends to be repl
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He didn't say "not NORMAL" he said "not NATURAL". Asshole.
Naked is exactly NATURAL. We are born naked.. That's what nature does.. Hence NATURAL.
Sure, a woman in the naked state is not the norm, but it is NATURAL.
Why the fuck can't you people understand certain words? NATURAL = FROM NATURE.
We may be born in that state, but there's not a fucking spot on this planet that is truly compatible with being naked, as our caveman ancestors discovered.
You can call it "natural" all you want, but ironically nature ain't fucking having it, which tends to beg the question of what is "normal" to survive.
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Hush, we're trying to establish a precedent here!
Figure me 15 or 16, in the 70s (Score:2)
Never got back to the Playboys nor the beer, but I've told this story dozens of
Off the rails for years (Score:3)
I used to be a stockholder in this company, before Hef threw a fit and took it private. Why did he do that? Because investors like me were telling him he was full of shit and his ideas sucked and it was costing the company money, all of which was true. He didn't like it. He took is bat and balls and went home.
The truth about Hef is that he ran the magazine with final editorial control and final say on EVERY business effort they made, worth mentioning, and he was well into senility by the end, making just awful decisions one after another.
One great example was the annual 'contest' the magazine and website held to have readers vote for PMOY. None of that shit mattered. Hef and Hef alone picked the winner and that's why for a long time they were all the same blondes, and why he had three of them at once as girlfriends. Hef didn't give a shit about the readers or the company. The decision to drop nudity was actually the first idea in decades that didn't come from Hef. Somebody else came up with it and Hef was so out of it, he waved it through.
Which was a disaster. Like most of Hefs ideas.
Cooper Hefner has a much sharper idea of what he wants to do and he gets what the reader wants. Um well, he gets the girls AND what the readers want to see. So maybe he will be able to make a miracle out of it.
Thanks to Hef, the company has spent decades ignoring massive IP they could have been monetizing, like the bunny girl costumes. That outfit is famous worldwide and isn't considered nearly as adult as the magazine. So why hasn't Playboy had their bunny girls everywhere? All they do license is the rabbit head logo, and then for shit like bad cologne sets and stickers. WTF.
I hope Cooper turns the merchandising around. I really do.
Re:Off the rails for years (Score:5, Insightful)
Playboy Clubs should have been so entrenched in our culture that Hooters never happened. You'd have to tier the branding, but it should have been done.
Same thing with Maxim - it never should have launched because Playboy should already have owned the space. Instead of taking their magazine no-nude, they should have had a 'skimpy clothing' variant years ago. (If they did, I never heard of it so that's a different kind of fail)
Basically, if you are a guy with money in your pocket, you should have been seriously tempted to peruse a Playboy Men's Health magazine at lunch, eat dinner at a Playboy restaurant, and go for drinks at a Playboy bar and maybe later on go to a Playboy night club. While wearing Playboy cuff links.
And women should have had 'Playboy for women' (Not Playgirl) as a Cosmo-alternative to let them know '6 tricks in bed to please your Playboy' or something.
SO much marketing potential wasted.
Good, It Just Wasn't the Same (Score:2)
Good, I'm glad to hear they're putting back the Playmates.
Even though it's primarily a men's magazine, I still pick up an issue on occasion. It just hasn't been the same over the last year; the faux high-culture style of the magazine lost something essential when it lost the nudes. They aren't the only reason to read the magazine, but it makes for this interesting mix of wit, beauty, and far too many ads for liquor.
The reaon being... (Score:4, Insightful)
One of the main reasons why Playboy dropped nudity in the first place was because the internet filled the demand
Like the Internet didn't fill the demand for news and opinion articles.
as borat says VERY NICE!!!! (Score:2)
i wondered when i saw some new PB girls on youtube, all nude, and very nicely shot and sexy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
But digital media can't compete (Score:2)
They can't compete with scratch and sniff magazines!
Opinion from a Nudist (Score:2)
American society makes such a big deal about nudity, when our media is literally saturated with it. People like nudity, and not just for porn. There's a vocal minority of never-nude types who raise a fuss. I do photography as a hobby. If I post a beautiful flower online it might get 4 views. If I post a non-sexual nude photo it'll get 107 views. People like nudity.
I've observ
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I used to come across nude beaches when I live in California.
There is a difference between those nudists, and the nudes in Playboy.
Most people are best not viewed nude. This may be especially true of nudists.
The woman featured in Playboy are exceptional, and then they are professionally made up and photographed, and then the photos are photoshopped.
I'm shocked (Score:2)
PS please post link.
The Internet did not kill Playboy. Playboy killed (Score:2)
Playboy still exists? (Score:2)
Why?
Won't matter (Score:3)
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eh?, I can assure you the playmates featured came in all colors and flavors, not just blonde and tanned
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Re:One thing still wrong... (Score:4, Insightful)
Err...who wants to see that?!?!
LOL, but seriously, guys are visual beings, they want to see and react to beautiful women which in general is not the majority of the female population.
Hell, its getting worse and worse today, as that it is getting to where a majority of modern females not only are overweight and obese, but we are NOW actually telling everyone "this is ok"...and they're believing it.
It is NOT ok to be obese, and not for the sake of aesthetics, BUT for health concerns.
The looking hot part is just gravy that goes along with being fit and not fat.
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Yes, but who wants to see that?
I get the impression, most guys want a young ass with huge tits. Any woman around that doesn't hurt, but doesn't add much to the experience either.
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Whenever it's stuff that matters, someone complains it's not news for nerds. Whenever it's news for nerds, someone complains it's not stuff that matters.