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Microsoft Confirms Another 2017 Update After Windows 10 Creators Update (betanews.com) 74

Mark Wilson, writing for BetaNews: Windows 10 Creators Update is due to arrive in the spring, and at Microsoft Ignite in Australia, the company confirmed that a second major update is on the way later in the year. We don't know a great deal about this update, but it's likely to incorporate Project NEON design elements. While it is not a new revelation that a second big update is coming to Windows 10 in 2017, until now there has only been a passing reference to the second one from Microsoft.
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Microsoft Confirms Another 2017 Update After Windows 10 Creators Update

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    You can download it here [debian.org]

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You mean here [distrowatch.com]

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @11:49AM (#53905935)

    1) Can I disable it?
    2) Does it remove the spyware?

    Microsoft, please get it: NOTHING ELSE matters to us concerning your Windows 10 updates.

    • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @12:16PM (#53906139)

      Dear potential user:
      We don't understand your reluctance. Perhaps we have not sent you enough marketing literature. We will remedy this, and increase our presence here on Slashdot so that you don't miss out on any exciting Windows 10 announcements.

      Sincerely,
      Microsoft Windows 10 Grass Roots Marketing Team

    • by geek ( 5680 )

      1) Can I disable it?
      2) Does it remove the spyware?

      Microsoft, please get it: NOTHING ELSE matters to us concerning your Windows 10 updates.

      1) I don't want to disable it. I want updates, especially when they are free and provide security and usability enhancements.
      2) Define spyware. Telemetry is not spyware.

      • by sremick ( 91371 ) on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @12:37PM (#53906277)

        Telemetry is not spyware.

        I beg to differ. In fact, places that deal with HIPAA and PCI compliance rules have to be crazy-OCD about this sort of stuff. On paper, it would seem that the mandatory telemetry could easily violate these regulations, and Microsoft refuses to give assurance or proof otherwise.

        Windows is racing Apple to see which can become wholly unsuitable in an enterprise environment first.

        • by geek ( 5680 )

          Telemetry is not spyware.

          I beg to differ. In fact, places that deal with HIPAA and PCI compliance rules have to be crazy-OCD about this sort of stuff. On paper, it would seem that the mandatory telemetry could easily violate these regulations, and Microsoft refuses to give assurance or proof otherwise.

          Windows is racing Apple to see which can become wholly unsuitable in an enterprise environment first.

          What a load of bullshit. I have hundreds of HIPAA and PCI systems in my enterprise and Windows 10 never even comes up in the discussions with the compliance people. Stop making shit up just to fucking hate on Windows 10.

    • That is true, if by "us" you mean a tiny minority of Windows 10 users.

      • This is the part where I think there is a massive disconnect between technologists and the layman. The layman, even when it's explained to them the privacy implications of a system, they simply do not care.

        "I know, but I want the service"
        "I'm not that important"
        "Well how else is service supposed to work?"

        I could go on, but I think you get the point. My uncle had his identity stolen because facebook, he has some money, and it took 6 months to sort out. He's still on facebook... MS just wants to cash in on wh

    • Operation "boil the frogs" is continuing as planned I see!

  • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @11:49AM (#53905937) Journal

    "We weren't able to jam all the spyware and bloat in for this release and still make the timeline, so we're giving you another release later this year to add all that and more!"

  • Is the cancer of today's software development world. Quality plummets but look at how many releases we can put out per month! Isn't that cool? Features! No QA! Fire them all! It's for the best! Constant refactoring! No need to think ahead just refactor in the next sprint! Redneck programming YEAAAAH! Seriously though... When the hell did this joke become so popular in the dev world? Agile is the antithesis of quality. Did Einstein and others use agile in order to progress science? No? What did they do? The
    • by Anonymous Coward

      It is cheap, and in most software dev environments, if you can get features done and the thing shipped, you win, regardless of the technological debt obtained. Refactoring makes no ROI, so why bother. Same with security.

    • Actually, agile software development improves quality by delivering on shorter development cycles. What's the point of spending 2 years developing a multi-million-dollar, fully-featured content management system when requirements change out from under you? Every piece that doesn't work as well in the real world as it does for QA will break all at once when you ship it out--welcome to beta software--and features will do what users wanted two years ago.

      With agile development, you deliver in pieces. You

      • by Anonymous Coward

        This is how it should work in a perfect world.

        Reality is different - in the real world 'agile' is too often synonymous to: Release often, regardless of QA, come hell or high water. Errors remain uncorrected or even become part of the feature set, knowledge is not gained nor applied.

      • Re:Agile! (Score:4, Interesting)

        by geek ( 5680 ) on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @12:18PM (#53906145)

        When agile is done correctly you are right. But agile, like socialism, is always "perfect world" scenario stuff. All too often management wants you to release early and often and miss the "fail quickly" component.

        Where I am now we're expected to release often with the same standard of QA we had with a traditional waterfall project management style. It just doesn't work, leads to higher stress, turn over and ultimately failure. Then you have the shops that want to apply agile to fucking everything from janitorial services to sales. This is the cookie cutter approach, or like my old boss used to say "Give the fuckers a hammer and suddenly everything looks like a nail"

        I'm just not impressed with agile. The quality of development the last 5 or so years from every shop I've seen use it has fallen sharply.

      • Wow you should really consider politics. My BS meter is off the charts. Last September I started working on making a port to Android for a game engine. The first step was to create a GLES3 backend and then to make it work on Android. So the first 'sprint' took until January and the second until mid-February. Tell me exactly how do you write user stories for an OpenGL backend? It either works or it doesn't. There is no in between. There was nothing for me to show right until the end when I started getting th
        • Sprints are SCRUM. You don't need to use SCRUM to perform agile project management.

          User stories are an attempt to dress up requirements gathering and the requirements traceability matrix. In project management, a requirement has a business justification and a stakeholder. The Requirements Traceability Matrix (RTM) will tell you the requirement (what?), the stakeholder (who?), the business justification (why?), and the Work Breakdown Structure (WBS) elements which implement the requirement (how?). User

          • You have just described a sane development model. Unfortunately for most shops, agile means delivering something barely working in order to satisfy some moron and then spend some more time trying to refactor and get rid of garbage so you can move forward to the next sprint. So basically, in 2 weeks you get around 7 days of development because you spend 3 getting ready for the demo and dismantling the pilled up shit that was necessary to get the demo going. Which is highly inefficient and leads to a lot of w
            • Yes well, some people hear the word "Agile" and don't bother to look up what that means. There are published standards on this stuff, you know. They're built on top of other published standards. I don't like the SCRUM terminology largely because I work better with direct information instead of social idealism--therapy for me involves a pencil and a clipboard while the psychiatrist tries to explain wtf is wrong inside my head, not group-hug sessions, supportive friends, and pep talks--but it's still actu

        • by Orphis ( 1356561 )

          If your engine is sooooo complicated that creating a simple scene to show progress is too hard, then you already failed at technology.

          You could easily have small deliverables or demo to show that what you have works:
          - Create a context, show a simple triangle
          - Add texture, shaders support, maybe lighting with hardcoded data in the renderer
          - Load textures and shaders as assets (probably requires changing the buildsystem and asset loader)
          - Load geometry, levels...
          - Controls working
          - Sound effects working

          That w

          • You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You need to have the whole pipeline ready in order to show anything on the screen. That is, even a simple triangle. You are either able to show it or not. And for about 3 months, there was nothing to show on the screen until the pipeline was ready. And yes, a graphics renderer really is 'sooooo complicated' as you put it.
            • by Orphis ( 1356561 )

              I don't know, I don't have much experience and only worked on a few console games and emulators!

    • Re:Agile! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by iampiti ( 1059688 ) on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @12:20PM (#53906153)
      Worst of all, Windows is an OS. It's the basic software of your computer. As such it must be stable and performant. So agile it's the absolute worst possible development process for it.
      Good job Ms!
  • I can't wait for project Neon!, an even flatter, uglier more touchy UI. I'm sure it's gonna be a delight to use on my desktop PC
  • I will upgrade my Win 7 and Win 8.1 machines to Win 10 on the day Margot Robbie bursts through the door of my apartment and begs to have sex with me.

  • I was given an old laptop that had Windows XP on it the other day. I had forgotten how beautiful it looked, easier on the eyes than Win7, and far better than Win10. I fear that this "Neon" is a further step in the wrong direction. The pictures I've seen are really uninformative--half are gray windows on black backgrounds, the rest are simply uninterpretable. One article says Neon will bring "motion and fluidity to Windows 10's desktop. Apps will be expected to use transitions and animations..." Sounds

  • Will it be Windows 11? Haha

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