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Toronto Start-Up Will Send a Mechanic To Your Driveway To Repair Your Car On Demand (techcrunch.com) 160

Toronto-based startup Fiix, part of Y Combinator's Winter 2017 class, has built a platform to send a mechanic to your home to fix your car within hours of being requested. TechCrunch reports: Customers request service by calling or chatting with the company on the website. Interestingly, Fiix prefers to deal with customers over the phone so they can accurately diagnose the issue. This lets them send the right parts and mechanic without actually seeing your car, and make sure the issue can actually be fixed in a driveway and doesn't need a full garage. That being said, the startup says over 80% of repairs done in a shop can be done in a driveway as long as you have an experienced mechanic. All of Fiix's mechanics are independent contractors -- some who are generalists and some who specialize in foreign cars like Mercedes. In fact many are mechanics who work during the day in dealership repair shops and work for Fiix to make some extra cash on the side. Since the startup has no fixed overhead they can pay their mechanics more than most shops or dealerships can. TechCrunch notes that it's not the only on-demand mechanic startup -- YourMechanic, for example, launched in 2012 at TechCrunch Disrupt SF. What do you Slashdotters think of this start-up? Would you trust an on-demand mechanic to visit your home and work on your vehicle, or would you prefer to take it to a local shop?
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Toronto Start-Up Will Send a Mechanic To Your Driveway To Repair Your Car On Demand

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  • A lot of people live in condos nowadays. And pretty much all of them state clearly in the HOA rules that you cannot repair cars in your driveway or on common property... wonder how they'll get around that.
    • Many entire cities also have the same rules.

      • Many entire cities also have the same rules.

        Uh, entire cities?

        Care to bring an example of where I cannot do work in a driveway of a house I own?

        • Toronto, the city that is the subject of this article, is one such city. Anti-noise bylaw prohibits repairing vehicles in residential areas. Here's the bylaw [toronto.ca]. Go to page 8, item 9. Vehicle repairs are prohibited in residential areas at all times.
    • we call it AAA who brings a rental at no cost and tows the car to a garage. i dont want a "start up" mechanic anywhere near our home. good luck to them.
    • by ogdenk ( 712300 )

      wonder how they'll get around that.

      By offering their services only in places where people don't willingly submit to tyranny? Not everyone lives in "upscale" places full of rich douchebags who think it's their right to impose their will on you just in case you might drop their artificially inflated property value $0.50. A lot of those places are full of people that think doing your own lawn work or fixing your own car is low class and trashy. Or try to get you booted because your car is old and ugly. Those people can afford to have their

      • by rfengr ( 910026 )
        Yeah, but the 0.1% have their cars fixed at home. I often see this big truck with Maserati, RR, etc symbols in it pulling into this high $ gated community. It's only the HOA snobs that think they are rich, that enforce those rules.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Illegal where I live by contract agreement. Besides, nothing you can do without a lift I can't do myself. So there isn't any reason to call you, since you can't do the real work like replace my engine mounts, work on the suspension, replace the water pump, even an oil change is a pain in the ass without a lift. I go to my buddy's with a lift to do that... Then again, I don't think much of Uber either, so maybe I am not the audience... heh like so many things... Slashdotters just are not the audience.

    • by Nagaru ( 2772269 )
      Just say you don't work on your car, no need to beat around the bush.
    • nothing you can do without a lift I can't do myself.
      so maybe I am not the audience

      Yes.

    • Maybe you can do all that stuff yourself, but I no longer have the physical strength to do anything but the easiest jobs. Fortunately here in the UK such services are commonplace, and useful when it's not convenient to drive to a mechanic and either wait around or get public transport back.

    • Oil change without a lift? Just drive one side onto the sidewalk, and the other part on the road. Plenty of clearance to change the filter and pull the drain plug.
  • This kind of service exists for trucks and farm equipment, so it is possible that it would work for cars too. There are caveats though, which I'm sure /.'ers will point out.

    • What do mean will? It was the first post rated above 0!

      • by m0hawk ( 3030287 )

        Since you nit-picked on the single word 'will', perhaps you didn't notice 'caveats'.
        But just in case you are not being deliberately obtuse, pointing out that ./'ers will point out problems is a dig at how negative some posts are.

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      Only works for trucks and farm equipment because in many cases they're designed for field repairs. If you're driving down the highway and manage to strip out a CV joint, or snap a tie rod or have a ball joint fail, the guy who's coming to fix it isn't going to have accessibility issues on your truck or tractor. You blow a transmission gear, or strip a gear on a diesel? That's getting towed in just like a car because it requires a partial disassemble to fix or fully replace. On the other hand with a car sin

  • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Monday March 06, 2017 @09:19PM (#53989375)

    Every part in your car exponentially increases the chance of failure. Electric cars have significantly lower failure rates because they have significantly fewer parts. Not only that, when the new solid-state batteries that are nearing commercialization go into production, the battery damage issues and the runaway thermal reaction problems will be a thing of the past. It's good news for electric cars and anyone with a Samsung phone. ;)

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Electric cars have significantly lower failure rates because they have significantly fewer parts.

      Statement not supported by facts [autoblog.com].

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      Around 90% of the problems my buddy sees at his shop are directly tied to either emission controls or senors used to make sure the vehicle is running the best it can(MAF, O2, knock, Cam/crank PoS/TPS and so on). Mechanical failures are pretty rare these days especially after the initial break-in period, hell seeing a vehicle with all original parts and 200k-300k mi isn't even rare anymore. That other 10% is usually something like a mechanical/electronic hybrid device like an EGR valve, or component of the

      • by fnj ( 64210 )

        Good luck getting 300,000 miles out of your brakes and battery. There's also a damn good chance you'll be on your second (or later) alternator or starter by then, too. As you yourself actually pointed out.

        • Good luck getting 300,000 miles out of your brakes and battery. There's also a damn good chance you'll be on your second (or later) alternator or starter by then, too. As you yourself actually pointed out.

          Is it SO bad to have replaced an alternator even twice in 300K miles? That's a LOT of miles. Some repair expenses to reach that number are perfectly reasonable and should be expected.

          Oh I know, people want to reach 300K just having put in gas and never spending a dime on maintenance or parts or tires. But that's not realistic. Things wear out. Things break, especially if people drive like idiots on bad roads and neglect maintenance.

        • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          Actually it was the alternator that cooked the battery, the voltage regulator flaked out and I didn't notice it--something I should have but it can be easy to miss. The battery replaced in 2009 was factory and suffered through numerous winters with the temperatures dropping to -40C. Batteries normally fail before an alternator though, not the other way around. And in turn cause the alternator to pump out more juice at a higher peak that damages the alternator. Remember with starters 99% of the time it's

        • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          I nearly forgot that I'd never replaced the rare shoes on that car either. Front pads on the other hand? Every couple of years, those cars chewed through them until I went to ceramic. That was 100% to do with the vehicle design, 80% of the vehicle weight on the SW series cars were weighted towards the front of the vehicle which caused heavier wear on the front pads. But the brakes on them are so easy to do you could change them in your driveway in a couple of hours. And that has to do a lot with the c

      • by swb ( 14022 )

        How did your suspension last so long? Shocks, struts, bushings, etc? All of that stuff is pretty wear intensive unless you're lucky enough to only drive on new asphalt in a non-freezing climate.

        Transmissions these days also seem to be pretty tightly engineered, it seems like a lot of cars I've looked into have sub-par feedback on transmissions.

        • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          How did your suspension last so long? Shocks, struts, bushings, etc? All of that stuff is pretty wear intensive unless you're lucky enough to only drive on new asphalt in a non-freezing climate.

          Factory. Take proper care, properly lube them, keep an eye on them as long as they're not "sealed by design" and you can do spot repairs like replacing a bearing without replacing the entire wheel hub assembly. Not quite so easy these days, modern cars? The hub and bearing assemblies are designed as an "all in one" piece with the ABS sensors built in as well. Which is why they're around $500 each. Considering it's mostly highway miles it's not a surprise, and if by non-freezing climate you mean down to

  • I wouldn't trust myself to accurately describe, let alone diagnose a vehicular system fault or failure, apart from the common cyclic replacement of consumables (battery, brake pads, rotors, bulbs).
  • Tech companies seem to want to push the point of on-demand services to the ridiculous edge.

    People, there's a reason that you go to the mechanic's shop, or the doctor's office, etc. etc. It's because their time is quite valuable and the equipment they use is specialized.

    Making someone whose time is of high value travel unnecessary distances (i.e. a low value use of time) will make them have to charge higher prices for that unnecessary time, compared to if you yourself can bring the car to them.
    • I get your point, but for this particular case I think it warrants the business model.

      Sometimes if your car is broken it's simply not capable of being driven to a service shop (either it simply won't do it, it's not safe, or doing so would cause further damage to the car).

      In those cases you either have to 1) use a service like this, or 2) have it towed to the shop.

      While a mechanic's time may be valuable, towing cars can be rather expensive too. If it's cheaper to pay a mechanic to bring the tools out to th

  • Experienced mechanic here (35 years)...a mobile mechanic who's well-outfitted can do well for a lot of jobs, but the whole "accurate diagnosis over the phone" thing is a bit disconcerting. We have 10's of thousands tied up in diagnostic gear (scan tools, oscilloscopes, dvoms, etc) and it can still be pretty tough on some jobs to get the car to glitch and figure it out. The folks who make you jump through the most hoops to help them ("can you come to me?", beat you to death haggling, etc) are generally the
    • Oh, and as for the expense of towing to a shop, AAA can be your friend, in the US at least...10 bucks a month well-spent.
      • As a corollary, if you don't have AAA, your shop probably has arrangements with some local towing companies that will get a much better price than you will. Had to do that once for my wife's car (dead fuel pump while she was at work).
        • Excellent point...we have such arrangements. On very rare occasions, for long-standing customers, we have retrieved/returned cars. It hurts a bit at $100/hr, but that sort of customer is well worth it. Some even stop by the shop for the ocasional good-natured session of giving us a hard time and receiving the same in kind. Our clients are a great bunch! Loyalty to your shop, and they to you, is priceless!
          • BTW, we eat the 100/hour when we deliver, we don't charge the customer...
          • I haven't been with my shop long enough for them to cover it gratis, but considering that what I paid for the tow was about 1/3 of what I would have paid as Joe Shmoe, I don't care if they made a few nickels on it.

            And I really wish that my preferred mechanical and body shops weren't 20 miles apart, but...
            • Doesn't take long to decide we like ya, especially if you have special needs (little old church lady, hard-pressed single mom or retiree, just all-around decent person)...of course, we're a small shop. A person who's friendly, not foul-mouthed (remember, professional environment, sometimes with kids around) and shows some self-respect and respect of others gets put on the short list...and bringing Krispy Kremes or the like is always a plus!! ;-)
    • by dryeo ( 100693 )

      Depends on the problem. Last time I needed help, it was a leaking caliper, easy diagnosis, pretty easy driveway fix but as I live a dozen miles out of town, I needed a buddy to bring me the parts. A proper mechanic could have had me going in short order and would have had the wheel bearing tool to change the thin rotor as well. May have cost more for parts as I'd assume the mechanic would have automatically changed most everything, but brakes are important and my case of having a truck where someone had pre

    • I will bet you that these guys will be doing oil changes and brake jobs and leave the complicated stuff to "real" mechanics.

  • Yet another Uber (Score:4, Insightful)

    by manu0601 ( 2221348 ) on Monday March 06, 2017 @09:45PM (#53989529)

    Yet another Uber, that handles labor like in the nineteenth century: no employee, no duty.

    The trend really deserve a law to fix the broad issue.

    • Yet another generalisation that doesn't realise that just because a model that exists everywhere else suddenly gets a phone app doesn't automatically make it Uber.

  • The idea of having a shop was to house all the proper tools. Hard to bring a car lift to my driveway, or a tire balancer or any number of other bulky and expensive tools a shop has to expedite repairs, and I sure as heck aren't paying more for them to then have to haul my car back to the shop to continue repairs...

    • by Anonymous Coward
      So you set the system up so that you get a credit - maybe not 100%, but a credit - for the diagnostic fee. You'd be amazed how much people don't know about cars.

      I mean, I'm no car guru, but I can figure out the basics of when the car needs a repair, and have a reasonable suspicion about what generally is wrong, and understand what it is that they want me to pay to fix. My wife OTOH: she's at work trying to leave for lunch, and the car won't start, so she calls me. "Well, honey, when you try to start it, do
      • As a professional, I wish more folks knew a few basics like you've mentioned. Word to the wise...you can get an OBD2 dongle on ebay for less than $10US that can talk to an android phone via bluetooth. If you have a program like Torque installed, you can read/clear trouble codes and look at live engine/transmission data. Even if you don't know much, information is power. All you have to do is plug it into the diagnostic port (usually under the dash by the driver's knee), turn the key on (start the engine if
      • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

        "Well, honey, when you try to start it, does it make a loud clicking noise, or does it sound like the entire engine is turning over?" "I don't know, what do you mean by 'clicking'?" - this is the level of understanding most people have about cars. They're utterly ignorant.

        Work colleague here, I am relaying you this message as a courtesy for your beautiful wife who has just invited me to your house tonight:
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        • Dear John.

          I hope you can help me. The other day, I set off for work, leaving my husband in the house watching TV. My car stalled, and then it broke down about a mile down the road, and I had to walk back to get my husband's help. When I got home, I couldn't believe my eyes. He was in the bedroom with the neighbor's daughter!

          I am 32, my husband is 34 and the neighbor's daughter is 19. We have been married for ten years. When I confronted him, he broke down and admitted they had been having an affair for

  • independent contractors do they set there own rates or they forced to take the apps rates and the apps' parts rates?

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      independent contractors do they set there own rates or they forced to take the apps rates and the apps' parts rates?

      Probably a rate set by the mechanic themselves when they sign up for the service.

      There's no such thing as a "mechanic" - they all specialize. Some are generalists and will be able to do basic tasks like brakes, tires, oil changes, etc. Common everyday tasks. Then there would be more specialized mechanics - one may only work on transmissions, another on electrical systems, etc.

      And by their natu

  • It's not a profitable model.

    • by ras ( 84108 )

      It's not a profitable model.

      Err, one of biggest car repairs on the planet [lubemobile.com.au] have been using this business model (and only this business model) for 20 years. They can claim to be the biggest because the mechanics are employees, not contractors or franchises. I gather numerically others are far bigger.

      • Quick-lube outfits can sure cause problems, though. Poorly-trained kids pushing as fast as they can...loose drain plugs and leakage, etc. We've had to do a lot of follow-up repairs after oil changes...make sure the people you use are thorough in what they do. There are good lube shops out there; choose wisely...
  • As a former mechanic I know I can do a lot better job at the shop. And the customer knows a brick and mortar place is more likely to be legitimate. Sorry, no dice on the spot repair scheme.
  • I guess paper/online phone books and craiglist ads is too passe now?

  • Well (Score:4, Interesting)

    by n3r0.m4dski11z ( 447312 ) on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @01:37AM (#53990495) Homepage Journal

    I've used a craigslist plumber, as well as other craigslist services. Did the job, no leaks years later. Paid cash, was happy.

    If this has a rating system, it is far better than craigslist.

    Bring on more person to person direct services trade facilitated by the internet! Sure you get the odd unqualified lout, but a ratings and reward system would correct some of that. If the company gave refunds, i would start looking at what i can farm out personally on a cold canadian day when i dont want to get under the vehicle.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      I've used a craigslist plumber, as well as other craigslist services. Did the job, no leaks years later. Paid cash, was happy.

      If this has a rating system, it is far better than craigslist.

      If (and only if) the mechanic gets to set their own rates. Otherwise it's just as shady as Uber.

  • I don't get it; what's the big deal? I was getting my car serviced at home 30 years ago ("Lubemobile" was just one of the outfits that did this). Is this model only now just getting to the USA? Welcome to the 1980s, Seppos.

    • I was just about to say this. I had to check I hadn't give back in time today. First a story about dead pixels on LCD screens then a story about this fantastic be idea of a mobile mechanic! I fully expect to hear an announcement of a record breaking 1GB HDD being released by Seagate before the day is out.

  • Eh? I've been phoning mobile mechanics to come and fix my car at home for at least twenty years. This is just a clear case of affixing "ah, but on the internets!" to an existing service.
    • Pretty common here in the UK but we don't have housing associations to stop us doing what we like on our own property.

      My neighbour has repaired Landrovers on his drive constantly for the last 20 years or so, did most repairs on mine on the drive.

      • by boskone ( 234014 )

        the same one for the last 20 years (car)? is it almost fixed?

        couldn't resist... love landrovers but hear too many troubling things about reliability

    • Yup, I'm in Canada and here various mobile mechanics are on Kijiji for instance, some do only tires, some do full mechanic and even tow a lift!

      And this is nothing new, you rarely see trucks hauler being towed, they are all repaired on the road/highway by a mobile mechanic.
  • Not only do you have sketchiness of a random person, you also have the precariousness on the person visiting you.

  • My local car association in Australia also does this. I paid some trivial amount like $80 a year, for this service.

    My grandfather worked for one of these associations for most of his life.

    How can a startup disrupt this? By putting it in an app?

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  • 1982 just called, they want their business model back.

    https://www.lubemobile.com.au/... [lubemobile.com.au]

    I guess becuase "It's on the Internet" its new?

  • But I work in IT for a Fortune 500 company and every now and then my job requires me to work with customers who have problems getting files from us or decrypting them. I can tell you that customers often do a very bad job of describing their problems and often come to erroneous conclusions about what the problem is. I can just imagine that fun of this job where a customer leads the mechanic to think the problem is one thing and it's actually something else completely unrelated that the mechanic didn't bri
  • 1.) I have never had a problem with finding a mechanic, the problem is with the cost of the mechanic ($70/hr labor is typical where I live)
    2.) If I had a driveway which a car could be worked on, I would work on the car myself. Unfortunately, I live in an apartment that does not permit vehicle work to be done on premises. I still do the basics anyways like changing bulbs and O2 sensors.

    The best startup I have seen is in Gurnee, IL called: I Can Fix This! (http://www.icanfixthisshops.com) They rent space in a

    • They used to be fairly common, until lawyers and liability insurance rates put an end to them. I did a few engine swaps in those places during my younger hot-rodding days. They provided a garage bay, overhead lifts, air tools, and engine hoists. Hand tools were strictly BYO.

      Wondering how the new startup is getting around the liability issues inherent in allowing the general public access to tools, equipment, and working situations that could easily kill or injure someone who isn't careful or is just genera

  • Had my car die (water pump broke off) and I limped it a mile to my driveway. What were my options? Call an expensive tow to the nearest repair shop? I found your mechanic and they had a guy out there the next day and he fixed my car right there in the driveway. The guy was awesome, very honest and cheaper than the shop and no towing needed.

    I will use them again for changing my sparkplugs (stupid modern cars make this hard..). I've used it a second time for replacing my alternator.

    Great service. This is not

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