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How Many Snapchat Clones Does It Take For Facebook To Lose Its Self-Respect? (theguardian.com) 62

Alex Hern, writing for The Guardian: Over the past year, Facebook has shown an almost monomaniacal dedication to taking on Snapchat by importing its defining features wholesale into the company's own apps. Facebook Live has "masks" now (think Snapchat's Lenses). Instagram has geostickers (like Snapchat's location-aware stickers.) WhatsApp has "Status" (think Snapchat Stories). Instagram has "Stories" (think ... Snapchat stories). The latest fruit of Facebook's labours is Messenger Day -- "a way for you to share these photos and videos -- as they happen -- by adding to your Messenger Day, where many of your friends can view and reply to them". It's Snapchat Stories. Again. [...] Facebook has seen potential threats on the horizon before, but its chequebook has always been enough to ward off real danger: that's why it bought Instagram, that's why it bought WhatsApp, and that's why it tried to buy Snapchat. But it couldn't get the company's fiercely independent co-founder, Evan Spiegel, to sell. And now it's in uncharted waters, with a competitor stealing advertising revenue, desirable millennial users, and industry credibility, and with no obvious way to reverse that trend. Facebook's time at the top probably isn't up. But its self-respect deficit is going to take years to pay off.
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How Many Snapchat Clones Does It Take For Facebook To Lose Its Self-Respect?

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  • Snap has filters and disappearing texts. Other than ads, there is no user or product data to mine unless they are breaking their own rules. The product is easily cloneable by Facebook, goliath of Internet with it's brethren of Google, Microsoft and others. Reminds me of... Groupon?

    As described by a coworker: "Snap is the Uber of Twitter."

    at least Twitter has data to mine, the product is still you... even with a character limit.

    Facebook is big enough to get the Goliath media attack. Looks really like a Snap

    • What Snapchat actually gets from its users is not that relevant, they are still perceived as a threat to Facebook. Not a threat to the entire company, but to the bottom line to be sure. If you are selling apples and your neighbour is giving away his for free, it might make economic sense to buy him out.

      Cloning only makes sense if you can actually entice users to switch. But perhaps those users like Snapchat because it's lightweight and it's not Facebook.
    • by DrYak ( 748999 )

      Yes, currently snapchat doesn't have much to monetize (at least not if they respect their promised privacy and ephemeral pictures).

      BUT snapchat has still something valuable: it has *USERS*.
      Facebook might have tons of them, but they are mostly users who stayed around from before.

      First there was Geocities, then there was MySpace, then there was Facebook... Zuckerberg knows the trend, he knows that Facebook isn't going to last forever.
      That's why he's been keeping an eye open on the social network market, in or

    • As described by a coworker: "Snap is the Uber of Twitter."

      I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

    • The product is easily cloneable...

      Sure, but just like Apple, Nike, or Coca Cola, once you have established yourself as the 'it' brand, the brand becomes more important than the product.
      I'm not a big user, I only use it to communicate with my kids. And for the teenagers these days, FB is what their parents use and Snapchat is their thing. And as we all know, as a teenager, once something has been established as your' parent's thing', there is no coming back from that.

    • Because people are stupid and fall again to a money laundering scheme pushed by the big investment banks from Wall Street. Opel just sold for $1.5 billion how the fuck can you evaluate an image filter to 16x that value. It is insane.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    As long as these Appchat clones are appy app apps, they're all super appy! Stupid LUDDITES are too dumb to make appy apps like Appchat for Appbook!

    Apps!
  • Self respect? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by OneHundredAndTen ( 1523865 ) on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:11PM (#54013749)
    Bearing in mind what it is and what it does, self respect is obviously not high in Facebook's agenda.
  • This does not matter, I guess thousands of 40+ yo people here on /. don't care about FB et al.
  • Only one piece of software is allowed to have a given feature. In fact, forget about any software but the first to use the standard internet stack. They should all have to define their own protocols and figure out how to convince network device manufacturers to use their protocols. For that matter... Food? No two people should be allowed to eat the same food. All restaurants should have to come up with a completely new dish for every customer. Language? Everyone should come up with their own words.
    • moogle cagoogle doogie doogie wobbla bo.

    • Only one piece of software is allowed to have a given feature.

      No it's not that, it's that facebook is engaging in a bunch of desperate and shameless catch up which kinda looks like scrabbling after they failed top buy snapchat. Now, facebook is going to remain an 800lb gorilla and, well, I've no idea if snapchat will succeed or fail: I don't get social media and that renders me unable to make any kind of informed prediction about it (when I heard of instagram, I figured I could already do most of that on m

  • Does anyone care? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PhantomHarlock ( 189617 ) on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:26PM (#54013933)

    Do you think the average teenager or soccer mom who uses these features actually cares who invented what first? They are not reading these stories, they are not concerned with abstract hand-wringing. They just care if the platform they use does that cute little trick where they can overlay a cat nose on their face in realtime. Facebook knows this. They are appropriately more concerned with their bottom line than with the opinion of tech journalists. I just don't see the point. Competitors in every industry copy each other and try to one-up each other. that's the whole point. If you feel you are losing ground to X competitor because they rolled out Y new feature, you're going to also roll out Y new feature and hopefully add Z innovation on top of it, and X competitor may copy Z new innovation back in return. Why single out the feature arms race of social media?

    • Do you think the average teenager or soccer mom who uses these features actually cares who invented what first?

      Nope, but for teenagers they do care if 'product A' is their parents thing, and 'product B' isn't.
      Teenagers like to be different, rebel, and find their own style, Facebook isn't that, so no matter how hard FB tries, they are already tarnished by the fact all their parents use it, therefore it cannot be cool.

  • They care about their bottom line. Might as well call this article "Facebook is copying a competitor and it isn't going to matter, but I still want you to read this article sooooo here's an attention grabbing title".

    A more interesting article is this one Tech's Ruling Class Casts a Big Shadow [slashdot.org]. If Facebook had done this while Snapchat was still a new startup - would Snapchat see any of the success it currently does?
  • Unless FB went on a hiring spree, they are probably just rerouting permanent workers that they hired long ago for their core features into these. And since Facebook has pretty much no competition on their core business segment itself, neglecting core features right now and for the past 2-3 years has probably taken no hit at all. They chose the best out of 2 options, and the one that makes their talent happier: They kept personnel on the pay-role by implementing a competing strategy, and kept handing out nor

  • We're talking about a corporation here. Self-respect is a concept that's for real people, not for fake ones.

    A corporation would shit on itself, put a cherry on top and call it chocolate cake if someone paid it for doing so.

  • How much did "Alex Hern, writing for The Guardian" get paid by Snapchat to write that story? Companies copy features all the time, and certainly have done so in the field of software forever. I'm certainly no fan of Facebook, and deleted my account long ago, but why shouldn't Facebook do it? Wouldn't they be stupid not to add features their users might like? Is there only one car company making cars with intermittent wipers?
    • Yeah... Instagram was doing cheesy picture filters long before Snapchat existed. I think that the only real "innovation" that Snapchat has offered was messages that self-destructed. Everything else was ripped off from several different IM products, including Facebook's products like Whatsapp and Messenger.

  • I played with Snapchat briefly and didn't see the appeal. Everything that it could do is already done better by other services like Twitter, Facebook, Telegram, Instagram, and so on. It was clunky and didn't really add any value to my online social experience.

    Why are other companies trying to copy them? I don't get it.

    • by Jhon ( 241832 )

      It's simple. The young ones like it because the old farts don't and aren't using it.

    • by BLToday ( 1777712 ) on Friday March 10, 2017 @02:16PM (#54014365)

      I agree with your assessment of Snapchat. We're too old to understand it. Best I can do this conversation with my niece (13 y/o).

      me: why do you use Snapchat?
      niece: everyone is on it. Why aren't you using it?
      me: can't you do the same thing with Facebook Messenger or any of the other chatting programs? I mean some of these "cool" features have been since ICQ and AIM.
      niece: I-see what? You're a dinosaur like my mom, you still have a Facebook account.
      me: you don't have a Facebook account? But you have an Instagram account that's own by Facebook
      niece: yeah, but I only use the Instagram to read the stupid things people do like this "guacamole lady". I never post anything on Instagram.
      me: so you use Snapchat because it's not Facebook?
      niece: kinda, but mostly because the stupid things I say and do probably won't come back to haunt me when I use Snapchat. Messages disappear. And aren't you the one telling me to scrub my online present and watch for my privacy.
      me: (teary eye..she actually listened)
      niece: I have a school fundraiser
      me: damn it, here's a $20 get some chocolate for yourself

      TL:DR version: people use Snapchat because messages disappear, network effect and it's not Facebook.

      • by ZorinLynx ( 31751 ) on Friday March 10, 2017 @04:16PM (#54015191) Homepage

        Come to think of it, "it's not Facebook" should be enough reason to use anything.

        Thanks for the perfect explanation. :)

      • kinda, but mostly because the stupid things I say and do probably won't come back to haunt me when I use Snapchat. Messages disappear. And aren't you the one telling me to scrub my online present and watch for my privacy.

        Just make sure your niece understands that messages "disappear", but can be retained by people she messages (or hackers or other agents). Especially if she thinks SC protects her ability to send images of herself without risk.

      • niece: kinda, but mostly because the stupid things I say and do probably won't come back to haunt me when I use Snapchat.

        Your 13 y/o niece is wiser than very many adults. So, yay?

      • TL:DR version: people use Snapchat because messages disappear, network effect and it's not Facebook.

        I have teenage kids and it's the same deal. Messages disappear, no stupid ads, and it's not FB. FB simply cannot compete with this.

    • by Desler ( 1608317 )

      You not using it is the prime sell.

  • Facebook Live has "masks" now (think Snapchat's Lenses).

    More like Skype, Windows Live Messenger, and a half dozen other video chat clients I can think of? Snapchat didn't do it first (or even best.)

    Instagram has geostickers (like Snapchat's location-aware stickers.)

    More like the stickers available in every photo editor since the 90s? (Why is location-aware a feature - you're telling me it's a good thing that I can't use a sticker if I'm not in a specific physical location?)

    WhatsApp has "Status" (think Snapchat Stories). Instagram has "Stories" (think ... Snapchat stories).

    You mean like a Twitter feed, or heck even Facebook's Timeline view?

    The latest fruit of Facebook's labours is Messenger Day -- "a way for you to share these photos and videos -- as they happen -- by adding to your Messenger Day, where many of your friends can view and reply to them". It's Snapchat Stories. Again.

    More like your Facebook Timeline, but from Messenger.

    Seriously, Snapchat is not the or

  • I'd say bringing this article to Slashdot is a bit like bringing a drag queen to a sports bar to talk about why new wig shop on the block is much better than the the old one.

    Massive bitching in vain.

  • Implying that Facebook ever had self respect...

  • [quote]Facebook Live has "masks" now (think Snapchat's Lenses)[/quote]
    Yes, thanks, that clears everything up for me. I totally know what "Snapchat's Lenses" are.

    The social media buzzword generator for whatever awesome new feature thing-a-ma-bob of the day is driving me nuts. Can I use my Giphy-powered Slack API to Mask a Snapchat Lense on all this stupid horseshit?

    • by twdorris ( 29395 )

      Facebook Live has "masks" now (think Snapchat's Lenses)

      LOL! Quote markup fail! I'm too old for the web.

  • Maybe they should've promoted their Poke app better. IIRC, it was out around the same time that Snapchat premiered, and had similar features (view once photo/video/text).

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