Google X Worked An Older Employee Until He Was Hospitalized, Then Laid Him Off (thenextweb.com) 283
Julie188 writes: When Google shows up to buy your startup and trade out your relatively worthless startup stock for Google stock, and offers you a high paying job, too, it seems like a dream come true. But for a group of ex-military guys at a startup called Titan Aerospace, it was more like a nightmare, according to a detailed article from Business Insider. After Google buys their company, it shuts it down, gets them to move across the country to California and then sets them up working long hours outdoors in 100-degree heat. One older guy, in his mid-50s, was even hospitalized, and when he returned to work, he was essentially pushed out. Some people claimed it was bias against older workers and veterans.
They've done that where I work (Score:3, Informative)
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You are spending most of waking life in an environment where the people are willing to throw each other to the wolves. Get the hell out. If you hate all your workmates then what are you doing there? If you only minorly dislike them then imagine they get cancer and die leaving their families bereft. Just think of the extra risk of someone "going postal". You will find that, just in the likely reduced healthcare costs through reduction in stress (not to mention insurance) it's probably worth your while t
surprising? (Score:2, Informative)
As a company whose sole business model is based on privacy-invading advertising tracking analyticsm you'd think they'd be an employer that has any sort of morals and ethics?
Is Google slowly Dieing? (Score:3, Interesting)
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Many of Google's geniuses have left to work on their startups, and poached other intelligent coworkers to join them.
Google isn't the hot job anymore. The smart ones go to the new "it" company like SpaceX, or they do their own thing.
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They have serious issues with follow through, the last successful product was probably Chromecast which while popular hasn't lit the world on fire (anecdotally it behaves worse for me today than when it was first released). The last really big success was Android nearly 9-years ago.
Re:Is Google slowly Dieing? (Score:4, Informative)
Android was acquired.
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Chromecast is a stupid product though.
why it's stupid? it could just as have Android TV which would be a much more logical product for google to push. it could have all the chromecast features and more.
the hw is capable enough, so there wouldn't be added costs to the BOM either - also it would make it more useful by itself.
I got a local cable(well, fiber really) provided android settop box and it does everything the chromecast does( I can stream to it with multiple protocols, from phone or whatever) and it
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You will go far in life listening to business advice from a former third rate call center employee.
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After reading the article and also listening to some of Eli the computer guy Youtube videos, I feel that I am slowly seeing the beginnings of a Google death.
Google bought the backend automation created by Twitter to power their cloud computing service. I think that says it all.
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Which backend would that be?
Re: Is Google slowly Dieing? (Score:3)
Is making money loose a bad thing?
Or maybe you meant 'losing'?
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Google bought Youtube (Nov 2006) less than two years after Youtube was founded (Feb 2005).
Re: Is Google slowly Dieing? (Score:4, Funny)
Google bought Youtube (Nov 2006) less than two years after Youtube was founded (Feb 2005).
That doesn't change the fact that prior to Feb 2005, not a single ad ran on Youtube.
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seriously, I gotta ask - do you have some kind of a brain disease - perhaps autism?
guy1: youbube made money for 10 years and was ad free.
guy2: no, youtube lost money before google, and it was for under 2 years
you: that doesn't change the fact that there were no ads for those 2 years.
I find your kind of thinking common in socially inept autistic people. I've seen it at work much too often. I fire people like you of course - you're unproductive, annoying, and usually quite ugly. You take a completely irrel
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And your post reinforces the fact that you are not interested in intellectual discourse, but instead are looking for anything to contradict, no matter how stupid it makes you look. You might want to take a look at that.
You're looking for intellectual discourse on Slashdot, yet I'm the stupid one!?
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As for money, they're printing it. 86 billion USD revenue last year. 95% of that is from ads
And that's something that should really be concerning them. The ad market is a huge bubble - companies are increasingly seeing reduced returns from ads and most of the things that people have tried to increase this have had the opposite effect. Google has recently made the news for advertising top brands (which pay a huge amount for adverts) next to ISIS beheading videos and racist rants, which doesn't help build a positive brand image for any of these companies. It wouldn't take much for some of their b
This kind of happened to me (Score:5, Interesting)
Back in 2009 when everything was hitting the fan I was working for a very well-known mixed-signal semiconductor company. I was on a team of 5 engineers doing the analog front end (this was a wireless transceiver) our of a total team of about 75 including digital and software. Money was running out and the site director intimated that our design center would get shut down if we didn't deliver. Well, I worked 29 straight days, on average 12 hours a day (and some days more than that). We all did. Anyway, we got the chip out the door on a thursday and no one came in until monday. And then I got laid off (along with 10 percent of the company). I was so mad I could just spit, and everyone on my team (people I thought were my friends) all avoided me and looked away as I was escorted from the building after giving my heart and soul to get this part out the door. I guess they didn't want to catch whatever got me laid off.
I was offered a quite generous "salary continuation" offer where if I agreed not to sue or whatever, they would pay my salary for up to three months while I looked for another job. (looking for work when you are unemployed is just slightly harder than looking for work when you have AIDS).
Anyway, I'm pretty good at what I do and interview well, so I got another job in no time, although I negotiated a couple of months delay before I started so I could milk my salary continuation for a while.
I still don't know why I was laid off, as I was easily in the top 25% of the company as far as performance reviews goes, and a couple of dead weight guys on the digital side stayed. Who knows?
I didn't get hospitalized from overwork but I most certainly got sick and burned out. I started crying for no reason all the time the first couple of weeks after the layoff and was generally a mess. I stayed with my girlfriend (we were long distance, now married in the same place, yay!) and kind of dried out. But what an awful experience.
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You didn't play golf or belong to the same 'Country Club' as the boss.
Simple really.
It is not you but who you know that keeps you in a job these days.
I'm glad that I called it a day last October. Now I do the odd one or two days of work a week.
My BP has gone down so much that I'm off the meds.
Re:This kind of happened to me (Score:4, Insightful)
the problem is that you're an asshole
You're being (ironically) an asshole, but you're probably right - not the way you mean (which is just to be a spiteful, petty, vindictive prick) but that he had probably built himself a reputation of being "difficult" to work with. That's easy to do when you're the go-to guy for a dozen different things - everybody's demanding 100% of your time, all the time, relying on you to dig them out of the hole they've dug themselves into - you have to turn some people away. Especially when you're already working 12 hour days to meet some insane deadline - you just don't have time to deal with all the people who aren't carrying their own weight.
hmmm.... (Score:3)
So this guy collapsed from working in the heat in the California Central Valley. In February.
Was he inside the cab of a truck with the heat on too high? It's lucky to get into the mid-50s in the Central Valley in the winter.
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Bias Against Older IT Workers (Score:4, Insightful)
Fake News (Score:4, Interesting)
Obviously Google would never do something like this /sarcasm
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Google buys companies to get young, hard working (Score:3, Insightful)
What does irritate me though is seeing them spouting anti-Union / laissez faire clap-trap right up until they're personally discriminated against. Then they want the government to step in an regulate. But the young guys wanting to unionize or (God forbid) have a living minimum wage? Let 'em just work harder. Good for goose, good for gander. Or how about we protect _all_ workers?
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the problems is career management.
you see, they think that they can get more bang for the buck from overworking the workers - even creative types, while they really don't get that.
they just can't understand it because they don't understand what they are managing anyways - which leaves them with just ONE tool to "manage better": overwork the workers.
that's really all there is to it, happens in most places now where you have existing workers developing something and doing a generally good job already and then
young guy are not 60+hours productive (Score:2, Informative)
And don't get me started
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You can have a 40 watt lamp and leave it on for hours or have a 60 watt one and leave it on for 40.
Except dimming an incandescent doesn't extend its lifespan, like pulsing LEDs does. In fact, if you pulse LEDs, you will get more photons out of them over their lifetime, but if you dim an incandescent, you get less. (The lifespan stays about the same, but you produce less light at lower voltage...) Lamp metaphors are old, time to move up to LEDs.
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I think the majority of people can't do more than about 25-30 really good hours of work a week. The rest can be padded with meetings, coffee breaks, Slashdot etc. There will be a few people who can do more on a regular basis, but for the most part it just destroys your health and has a very poor ROI for the company.
Another way to look at it is that any company which needs to get 40+ hours out of its staff is failing. It can't afford to hire enough good people to get the work done so is cracking the whip ins
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They COULD work 60-hour weeks and live off Mountain Dew and sleep under their desks like good little drone employees and accept low salaries in lieu of how it looks on a resume, but the older, experienced workers know that lifestyle is bullshit and won't do it.
So the companies don't want them.
I'm an older tech worker trying to find a job, and even when I bury my experience and try for entry level stuff, they imply they pretty much want people who will marry the job, eat, sleep, and live for work, and not as
Hey remember when they had that no evil rule? (Score:3)
Re:Hey remember when they had that no evil rule? (Score:5, Funny)
Google did try becoming evil in hopes of increasing profits, but just like all the other times they suddenly gave up on the project without explanation.
Re:Hey remember when they had that no evil rule? (Score:4, Insightful)
Older guy in his mid 50's? (Score:2)
Try mid 60's like me. I've been offered indefinite contract jobs, but full time employment? I'm not working for less than people that know less than me. A security 'forensic specialist' that didn't have a clue as to what email headers were? REALLY?
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You're in your mid-60s? You should be retiring. You have SS and medicare. Why do you want full time employment?
I'm in my mid 30s and I plan for retirement like crazy so that I can retire in my mid 60s.
Not on SS and Medicare you won't. SS benefits are puny but at least they're taxed as income.
MediCrap is a partial insurance system that forces you to buy additional insurance. Actually forces you whether you want it or not.
I'm in my mid 60's and it will take 3 months or so of SS benefits just pay the house taxes on my median priced home.
In 30 years SS won't even exist unless the benefits are effectively debased out of existence by inflation. $100,000 a year sounds great until a loaf of bread costs $1000.
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Just stop being sheep already. (Score:3, Interesting)
Sorry but I have little sympathy for people that wont stand up to their employer even when obviously being taken advantage of or even abused.
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>> Employers have the financial resources to CRUSH you like the insignificant insect that you are. That's reality.
Ridiculous. All they can do is fire you. Chances are they won't because they need you, otherwise they wouldn't be hiring you in the first place. If they only need you because you're a pushover and easily taken advantage of, then you're better off out of there anyway.
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>> You stand up to your employer in today's climate and you become unemployed.
Thats a great sign that you're better off out of there anyway.
>> Turning 40 and...Perhaps not for you...
Yeah you're right. I'm 54 and am getting job offers coming in all the time.
>> ... but it happens.
Then maybe you need to not be so passive, grow some balls, and learn some new skills that people actually need.
But why? And how do we fix it? (Score:2)
I think it is well established by that there is a deeply ingrained bias against older employees, but I wonder why? I think in some cultures, older people are seen as much more valuable than is common in the West, as a source of experience and insight, and this was once the case in our culture as well. Now a days you're simply expected to bugger off and stop being a nuisance; something that came natural back when people would be old and worn out at around 50, but today many continue in good health well into
Its a UAV project, outside (Score:2)
So what are google supposed to do? They bought it from these guys but those same people decided to go into the UAV business. Its their choice to continue working for google.
I am over 50 myself. I suppose most /. members are these days.
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Speaking as someone who has actually managed and run and done field tests in a UAV project, outside (before they were fashionable), let me just say:
So what are google supposed to do?
Oh I don't know? How about not being cunts for a start.
but those same people decided to go into the UAV business
You can't spell "UAV" without "worker abuse". Oh wait, you can.
Its their choice to continue working for google.
Right, just because 99.995% of humans are able to be manipulated, it's their fault for being so. If they ma
Re:uh yeah... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah that will get you a lawsuit and probably a loss.
"That HR person was so inadequate in handling the case. Her job is to protect management the whole time." Again for anyone thinking otherwise HR is not there for you.
What happened here is not new and will happen again and again. These 'new' companies are making the exact same mistakes as the previous ones. That paperwork is because of messups like this.
Exactly! HR is typically there to protect the company. While it is often in their best interest to protect employees (i.e avoiding lawsuits) that really is secondary and when there is a conflict it's the employee that will lose.
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HR is typically there to protect the company. While it is often in their best interest to protect employees (i.e avoiding lawsuits) that really is secondary and when there is a conflict it's the employee that will lose.
HR people are often stuck in the middle. Senior management says they're protecting incompetent workers, workers say they're doing the dirty work of senior management. It's even worse in unionized environments.
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No they are not. They, like everyone else, are paid through people above them.
In certain countries (e.g. France, Germany) incompetent workers are very well protected by laws while Upper Management's dirty work isn't. That's where HR comes in, to minimize the former (protection) and maximize the latter (dirty work).
HR almost always manages up. Sometimes they appear to be protecting the employee, but in fact they're protecting their own asses. For example, when many employees from my group provided bad feedba
what about more workers rights like the EU? or uni (Score:4, Interesting)
what about more workers rights like the EU? or unions?
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It's easier for companies to hire a new person than it is to let an existing one retrain for a new position.
What the government should do is make a rule that any physical labor or work under adverse conditions such as temperatures outside the normal range of human comfort for more than 2 hours per day voids the exempt employee status, And even for exempt employees the "fixed" or "salary" amount is for no more than 40 hours average work per week over the course of a year. Companies Must meter t
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This is merica where we now believe freezing to death is not a reason to abandon your post. Thanks Neil Gorsuch. /sarcasm
Re:uh yeah... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:uh yeah... (Score:4, Insightful)
At least part of the Court's job is to determine whether a badly written law, interpreted literally, infringes on the individuals rights to the point that that infringement is unconstitutional. But Gorsuch types are loath to step up to the plate in such cases - unless said individual is a corporation...
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Rule of late-stage capitalism #97: Money stolen is twice as sweet as money earned.
Re: Google is just following the rules of acquisit (Score:4, Insightful)
Cronyism is the inevitable result when Capitalism enters its malignancy stage, which it did about 1980. Now it's stage 4 Capitalism.
Re: Google is just following the rules of acquisit (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Google is just following MS benchmark (Score:2)
Embrace the company by buying it
Extend the hours of the employees of that company without compensation
Extinguish them as they leave or die off.
Google are merely following the Microsoft benchmark we all know and love so well.
Re:I was recruited for a dev position and felt bia (Score:5, Interesting)
Some people claimed it was bias against older workers and veterans.
I was recruited for a dev position around 2007. I was pretty active in several Open Source projects and with one of the major community Linux distros. I had a pretty solid body of work that was publicly visible. Once I submitted my resume, the interaction changed somewhat. I was in the military about 10 years at the time, so in addition to my Open Source activities, I had quite a few years of military experience.
When they thought I was just an Open Source dev (perhaps thinking that my day job was for some small mom & pop company), the recruiter was always eager to communicate with me. However, after they got my resume, they seemed less eager. I don't think it was age (I wasn't 30 yet), but perhaps being a military veteran had something to do with it. Perhaps they thought I would expect a higher salary based on my experience/education (I had earned my MS in Computer Engineering shortly prior). Who knows.
Either way, I've known some folks who have worked at Google and other SV companies. Looking at where I am now I feel like I dodged a bullet, so it's all good.
Since companies will not give feedback on why they didn't hire you, there is no way to know why things went the way they went.
I got declined for a job. I had a friend who worked there and told me why I was declined. I was completely off base about what I thought was going on. He said it was just one guy who was completely against me since I had given a really bad answer to a technical question he asked. The guy didn't show it at all and he it didn't even register that he had such a huge grudge against me.
Re:I was recruited for a dev position and felt bia (Score:5, Interesting)
*OR*, if companies DO give you feedback, it is total made up bullshit. I was recently turned down on a job I was applying for and already had the in-person interview for. Reason? I "didn't have enough experience" with a particular open-source application. Said application is something that I've used daily for 10+ years now, and so far into it that I find bugs, debug them, and submit patches and have them approved. If knowing the software well enough to literally fix it when it goes wrong wasn't enough, then what the hell is!?
Re: I was recruited for a dev position and felt b (Score:3, Informative)
I call BS. (Score:2)
Since companies will not give feedback on why they didn't hire you, there is no way to know why things went the way they went.
I got declined for a job. I had a friend who worked there and told me why I was declined. I was completely off base about what I thought was going on. He said it was just one guy who was completely against me since I had given a really bad answer to a technical question he asked. The guy didn't show it at all and he it didn't even register that he had such a huge grudge against me.
That's actually not relevant.
When computing the interview score for the hiring committee, the top and bottom scores are thrown out.
He could have given you a 0, and if everyone else gave you scores that average out to 3+: you're in, as far as the hiring committee goes, unless there's a huge red flag, such as lying about criminal record, education, etc..
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Since companies will not give feedback on why they didn't hire you, there is no way to know why things went the way they went.
I got declined for a job. I had a friend who worked there and told me why I was declined. I was completely off base about what I thought was going on. He said it was just one guy who was completely against me since I had given a really bad answer to a technical question he asked. The guy didn't show it at all and he it didn't even register that he had such a huge grudge against me.
That's actually not relevant.
When computing the interview score for the hiring committee, the top and bottom scores are thrown out.
He could have given you a 0, and if everyone else gave you scores that average out to 3+: you're in, as far as the hiring committee goes, unless there's a huge red flag, such as lying about criminal record, education, etc..
Even when I worked for a company that did discard the top and bottom scores, if one person had a bad feeling about the candidate, he could persuade the rest of the team that the person is the wrong fit for the job. Unless someone steps up and defends the candidate, then he/she will likely not be hired.
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Yeah. IN THEORY.
Good luck applying that to real world.
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20 is that all..... (Score:2)
25+ here.
I still fail to see what you have said.
1> claim your a big shot, declare some facts to proove it.
2> declare the person an idiot, having a small sample size in survey, (when watching Silicon Valley, Office Space, IT Crowd is enough one needs.)
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That reminds me of a company that I used to work for. The company had been acquired, and everyone was being laid off. We were al
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Let me guess... You fucked her in college and she didn't like it? :)
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Good lord no, just a personality conflict which I was entirely oblivious to.
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Translation: He couldn't find the clitoris AND he didn't call her after. :P
Re: I was recruited for a dev position and felt bi (Score:2)
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Brazilians refer to a woman who is rude to strangers or others terrible to deal with as a "badly eaten bitch". It's mostly an insult used by other women. The implication being that the sexual frustration of having your pussy eaten by somebody who is so bad at it that you don't get off - would make somebody far grumpier than just not getting any.
Now considering that the average Brazilian has sex three times as often as the average American -I daresay they know more about the topic than you do.
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I will always give feedback when asked - but most of the time that is (honestly) because someone was better suited to the role. Just because you don't get a job doesn't always mean you created a bad impression. The worst thing about hiring, for me at least, is interviewing a bunch of great people, all of whom I could work with, and only choosing one or two to employ.
i hate stupid tech Qs not relavent (Score:2)
You know, id like to see these interviewers try a job interview for a change, its not that easy, you can make mistakes, since you are in a new environment and nervous.
Get a grip interviewers, dont be so harsh, dont be such assholes with stupid questions.
You know we dont have the internet in our heads, and can answer any query faster than google.
Some people might be technically correct, but are assholes, wouldnt have your back, and would throw you under the bus anytime, thats not a person I would hire.
A recurring problem in "technology" companies (Score:5, Interesting)
That's why so many places are a sausage fest with a very narrow age range and almost identical career path for everyone. It's kind of weird visiting some of those places, watching nerf stuff fly and feeling like the only adult in the room.
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A players hire A players. B players hire C players.
For low-quality people, it's usually not about diversity (or lack of), it's always about control. They look out for their small kingdom instead of trying to find the best talent.
Most Recruiters suck some times they have very (Score:4, Insightful)
Most Recruiters suck some times they have very little info on the job it self and want to come into the office. It's like some are on a quota or the firm wants to look good by saying we have a big number on people on file.
Other like to edit your resume to jam you into a job that are not a fit for and other times it's bs like we need to edit to a long form federal resume.
Re:Most Recruiters suck some times they have very (Score:4, Interesting)
It's why I only keep recruiters for two weeks into my LinkedIn contacts after they add me. If they don't communicate at all with me for two weeks, they're out.
One of them has added me 12 times and counting!
I've seen recruiters boasting on LinkedIn about them having tens of thousands of contacts... all used as leverage to seem more competent than they are.
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You just printed the recruiter job description, though. He's going to get you in the door, and maybe show you to your table. However, he's not the waiter nor the chef, and will not have much influence on the interview process, so why should he care.
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Re:100 degrees?! (Score:4, Interesting)
"100F = 37,7778C."
Only in Tucson.
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Note the previous poster said "northeastern Canadian." I'm guessing he means Quebec which uses the French numeric style where the decimal mark is a comma instead of a period. The thousand's separator is also a space instead of the comma.
So the asking price of a Tesla Model 6 P100D of $186,200.00 would be 186 200,00$ in Quebec (ignoring silly Quebec tariffs and taxes...).
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They were also talking about February...in the central valley, CA.
It doesn't get that hot in February around here. That's how you know something about the story stinks.
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I realize you're trying to be funny, but they did say 'degrees', which rules out Kelvin.
And before you wonder, yes, I'm a blast at parties.
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Current Evaluation: 50.0% Good, 49.9% Evil, 0.1% Indeterminate.
CEO: So we're still good to go, right?
By the way: Not "There not, there just a company" but "They're not, they're just a company."
Unless you really mean "There not", in which case it depends on exactly where you are pointing. Currently, the moon is a good place to point, as neither Google nor Amazon has publicly flown a drone there. I wouldn't bet against their (there? they're?) R&D teams to get there (t
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Google: "Do No Evil."
That's the world we live in. It's not even possible for one of the most revolutionary companies in recent history to get away with a simple statement adopted while it was still a startup without having people using that 15 years later to bitch about an issue with one of the 72,000 employees.
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Re:What does anyone expect? (Score:4, Funny)
Google: "Do No Evil."
No, it's "Don't Be Evil."
(It's kind of a "Let's eat, grandma" vs "Let's eat grandma" thing.)
Yes, it is. How ironic.
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I always thought of it as an imperative statement, not a declarative and self referential one.
"(You,) don't be evil."
When read that way, as it is actually written written, it leaves the writer free from all obligation, all the while having the plausible interpretation of being self referential. Perfectly weasel like and morally bankrupt.
Just what you would expect from a bunch of evil bastards.
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Why am I not surprised, this is performance based management at its finest. Set unrealistic KPI's to ensure only the fittest and strongest (or the biggest BSers survive).
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Google is a company like any other.
I don't think so, although they're probably a lot like other Silicon Valley/San Francisco companies. Reading TFA, it's pretty obvious they have no idea how to run a successful flight test program. Here's a hint: it's not at all like crash-developing a social media app or ways to track your "customers".
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How do you draw a connection between "capitalism", an economic system, and the idea of certain people being above the law? Any problem with law is an issue with government, not the economic system. Even when industry is state-owned there is corruption and a double standard of justice. In the USA, I don't even think it's "de facto" anymore. Clearly, the ultra wealthy and government employees are above the law.
I'm just frustrated that "capitalism" seems to have become the catch-all term for every injustic
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>How do you draw a connection between "capitalism", an economic system, and the idea of certain people being above the law?
It's an inevitable outcome of capitalism that money buys power, so power concentrates in the rich - including the power to buy immunity from the law. If I poison a town's drinking water I would get the death penalty for terrorism. If a corporation does it they may get sued, and probably won't because they can afford an army of lawyers. Even if they get a fine, it will be for far less
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