Microsoft Experimenting Tabs Experience On File Explorer, Other Apps On Windows 10 (windowscentral.com) 104
Microsoft has begun experimenting with browser tabbing experience on all apps in Windows 10, including File Explorer. From a report on WindowsCentral: According to sources familiar with the matter, Microsoft is currently experimenting internally with a new feature called "Tabbed Shell", which brings the familiar browser tabbing module to all app windows in Windows 10, including the File Explorer. Per our sources, Tabbed Shell is a feature being worked on at an OS level, and doesn't require work from app developers to take advantage of it. By default, Tabbed Shell works with any app window, whether it be Photoshop, File Explorer, or Microsoft Word. Any UWP, Win32 or Centennial app will work. Much like in Edge, you'll find a tabbed interface at the top of a window where you can switch between instances of the same app.
Need this backported for Windows 7... (Score:2)
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For three more years. Then it's be the perfect bitch for every malware distributor in the world.
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Yes, IIRC pretty much every window manager has that on Linux. Including support for terminal windows.
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This is my biggest fear with Wayland.
Since the Window Decorations are not controlled by the App, I fear (without knowing if I'm misunderstanding something) that features like this will be harder/impossible to achieve.
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Not exactly. If MS finds a feature in any other OS, their first consideration is whether they can implement it in a strange and/or overzealous way.
Re: Like Linux? (Score:4, Insightful)
Not exactly. If MS finds a feature in any other OS, their first consideration is whether they can implement it in a strange and/or overzealous way.
That explains Powershell
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So if Linux has a feature, Windows can't?
Nobody said that Windows can't have a feature. GP's point was that Microsoft shouldn't get any accolades for implementing something that has been available, depending on configuration and DE, in Linux for over a decade. You don't get a blue ribbon for catching up to where the rest of the racers have already been for some time.
Also, Microsoft has a very very long way to go to catch up to the customization that GTK and KDE have had for decades. That hideous blinding white was one of the reasons I switched a
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Microsoft has done nothing first. But it's still nice for a large number of people whenever they catch up in some area.
But why use tabs for organization if you could have your window manager (i.e. Awesome, i3) handle the arrangement for you automatically instead?
Sure, it you like tiny windows. I prefer a real taskbar, effectively tabs for everything. All windows full screen, and one click to switch to any of them.
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Sure, it you like tiny windows. I prefer a real taskbar, effectively tabs for everything. All windows full screen, and one click to switch to any of them.
But that's exactly how I use Awesome [awesomewm.org].
I open a window and it's automatically full screen and doesn't waste any space on a title bar.
If I open another application it will automatically split the screen to maximize both (half each). I don't even have to click to set focus, I just mouse over the window which saves any potential errors from fumbling the mouse (i.e. click-drag instead of a simple click, or clicking to set focus... but accidentally hitting a button in the window which then does something unint
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I just don't like tiled windows.
I also strongly dislike taskbars where multiple tabs from the same application are condensed into a single item in the task bar, making it a menu of sorts. Worst workflow ever.
Microsoft does not allow you, nor support, any choice in the matter!
You've always been able to use your own desktop manager with Windows. Norton had a popular one in the early days. Classic shell was very popular for Windows 8 - only way that craptastic UI was usable.
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Microsoft has done nothing first.
Really? Then why do most Linux desktops look like Windows?
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I don't think I've seen a windows manager place all instances of an application in a single tabbed window. Tabbed file explorer sure...
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Indeed. GNOME has had this for roughly two geologic eras now. Good to see that Windows has finally come up to 2002 UI standards. ;)
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Indeed. GNOME has had this for roughly two geologic eras now. Good to see that Windows has finally come up to 2002 UI standards. ;)
Start button leading to menu system, taskbar, system tray, remind me who released that first again? Oh that's right, Microsoft. Certainly wasn't Gnome as that project didn't even start until after Windows 98 was well into its second year.
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Macs already have this - they added tabs to Finder in OS X 10.9 (Mavericks) which came out in 2013.
And now it's virtually everywhere:
https://www.howtogeek.com/2751... [howtogeek.com]
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Yes. And since Linux forever, now Windows, watch Mac do it and claim it's something new and innovative.
You're too late.
https://www.howtogeek.com/2751... [howtogeek.com]
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Don't Linux distros already have tabs in their file explorers? Ah, but of course, Windows users aren't likely to know that, so i guess it's something new to them.
Yes, but as usual, MS didn't copy Linux. They waited until Apple had it:
https://www.howtogeek.com/2751... [howtogeek.com]
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why YES they do , the file manager has had tabs for as long as i know
at least since BEFORE MS released XP in 2001
talk about being 20 YEARS OUT OF DATE
Microsoft you really need help
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Don't Linux distros already have tabs in their file explorers? Ah, but of course, Windows users aren't likely to know that, so i guess it's something new to them.
I'd keep quiet if I were you given how Linux desktops have copied the look and feel of Windows for decades complete with "start button", menu system, taskbar and system tray and doing things like showing live previews on taskbar active app icons.
Split View (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Split View (Score:4, Informative)
You could always install Midnight Commander.
https://midnight-commander.org/ [midnight-commander.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander [wikipedia.org]
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Next you will be telling me I should install XTree Gold
I had a shareware clone of that program back in the day.
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Just use Q-dir
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You could always install Midnight Commander.
https://midnight-commander.org/ [midnight-commander.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander [wikipedia.org]
Or FreeCommander [freecommander.com]. They even have a portable version on the Portable Apps site [portableapps.com].
This has been my go-to fix for the whole Windows Explorer incompetency for about a decade now. Free for personal or corporate use, a donation gets you access to the 64-bit version and past versions of the software, but the free 32-bit current version is not function-crippled in any way. Portable version even works on computers where you don't have installation rights, and having bookmarks capabilities for corporate network fold
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That's easy enough for doing with two separate windows at any size you want. If you want them 50/50 full screen, drag each window to either side edge of the screen (Aero Snap [dummies.com] - stupid name, nice UI move).
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Look there is a much easier way. If you are going to do some serious file handling, just create a Linux dual boot give it access to the Windows partition and go nuts. Repairing windows is also much easier from with the Linux boot. You might not use it often but by far the best way to manage windows is from Linux. So many elements of Windows went from bad to reasonable to bad it just boggles the mind.
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Oh, yes. It's much easier to reboot every time I want to move a set of files. And yes, that's sarcasm.
Repairing Windows is much better from a Linux live boot (or a Windows ISO Live boot), because MS is just as likely to break the bootloader as leave it intact when things go wrong.
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I had been using QTTabBar to add tabs to file explorer windows (Clover 3 and TabExplorer are other options). Unfortunately it interferes with context menus, and I had to go back to a half dozen file explorer windows scattered all over the desktop. Native tab support would be most welcome.
A split view shoul
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It's not like a split view would be useful for copy files from one location to another. Nope, we get tabs. Thanks Microsoft.
It would be nice to have a one-click shortcut, but it's not exactly hard.
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Ignore Microsoft. Directory Opus is what you are after. When I was introduced to this 10 years ago it changed my life forever. Indispensable.
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Do you really think it will not be possible to drag and drop onto another tab?
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Re:Typo in title (Score:5, Funny)
Don't you know, prepositions so 20th century. Nowdays our cars need washed and we experiment tabs experience.
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I am one who welcomes our preposition-less overlords.
Tabs tabber tabbing tabs (Score:2)
Where's Mr. Luddite guy talking about tabs tabbing tabs? I'm disappointed that he couldn't pull the trigger quick enough.
Tabs!
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it's the 1990s all over again (Score:1)
microsoft says they are the world expert in user interfaces and yet they are always going back to square zero as if they don't have a clue
Re: it's the 1990s all over again (Score:2, Funny)
Are they reinventing MDI?
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microsoft says they are the world expert in user interfaces and yet they are always going back to square zero as if they don't have a clue
Given how many Linux desktops ape one version of Windows desktop or another, even the light ones apeing Windows 95, I'd say Microsoft seems to have a point.
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just wait till you can enable invisible tabs for scripts.
Excel (Score:2, Insightful)
Excel needs with tabs. Opening another instance of Excel so you can compare or flip between two spreadsheets is a monumental pain, and it's incomprehensible why Microsoft let it go on this long. Oh, and be able to detach a tab and have it become another window on its own. Because Excel, dammit.
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Ugh, I hate tabs within apps (Score:2)
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I agree with the cross app access but I hate tabs. I've got lots of big screens full of pixels for a reason and I like using multiple windows and I like the windows arranged by task and I'll have many tasks stacked up.
It seems that for some stupid reason, OS X after 10.5 has decided to resort the window order after a command-tab or command ~ which means using them like a stack simply no longer works and you get to play the find the right buried window game and time you switch between stacked tasks.
"User Experience" (Score:2)
Yet another Slashdot headline that was unintelligible until I inserted "with" and read "Tabs Experience" as a noun.
The term "User Experience" term really irks me, because the wording implies an unhealthy mindset towards designing user interfaces. ... if your user interface is an experience then you are doing something wrong. The UI should be functional and get out of the way so that I can get shit done.
Seriously
Microsoft (Score:2)
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A promising beginning (Score:1)
What I could really use, though, is a file manager with side-by-side directory windows. And also, Mr. Microsoft, if you're listening: a file manager that doesn't change my layout preferences in search results to something stupid and unhelpful and, incidentally, not what I have selected as my, you know, preference.
YAWWWWN (Score:2)
Directory Opus has had tabbed file explorer capabilities for YEARS! I wouldn't use Windows Explorer if it had tabs. It's still a POS compared to Directory Opus [gpsoft.com.au]. What we need is what Linux has - tabbed shell's.
It took that long? (Score:1)
Never forget (Score:2)
https://www.file-extensions.or... [file-extensions.org]
I don't want multiple of the same, think different (Score:2)
I never wanted a dozen browser tabs grouped into one window.
I don't want a dozen file explorer tabs grouped into one window either.
I certainly don't want a dozen photoshop tabs grouped into one window!
Think harder. Remember the reason that I opened multiple photoshop instances to begin with? I'm working on multiple different projects.
I want one window for each project. I want one window with three browser tabs, two file explorer tabs, and a photoshop tab. I'm working on a poster in photoshop, and I've o
Great (Score:2)
So they get roughly what common linux desktops had in 2000.
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So they get roughly what common linux desktops had in 2000.
You could get them on Windows half a decade earlier via third party apps, no different to the way that Linux distros do.
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Linux does it without thirdparty programs. You can always suggest some alternatives, but we're talking about the standard FM in a system.
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It's hard to spew worse drivel than MM does on any political story, but he still has positive karma. Accountability is overvalued.
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Allowing ACs to post undermines the moderation system. And if by "karma whoring" you mean sensible rational posts, then I'm all for getting rid of ACs.
It isn't the anonymity that is the problem, it's that ACs literally are completely unaccountable. So what if some disgusting little troll posting AC gets a post downmodded, big fucking deal. When I get enough posts downmodded I pay a price in karma. That makes me accountable.
Hear, Hear!!!
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Isn't it built into the Friends & Foes system thing that I've never used?
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That being said, I do support changing the rules for AC posting (even though it'll probably never happen) as follows: