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Startup Still Working On 'Immortal Avatars' That Will Live Forever (cnet.com) 90

Startup Eternime, founded by MIT fellow Marius Ursache, is still working on "immortal avatars" that, after your death, will continue interacting with your loves ones from beyond the grave. An anonymous reader quotes CNET: Give Eternime access to your social media profiles and the startup's algorithms will scrape your posts and interactions to build a profile... The algorithms will study your memories and mannerisms. They'll learn how to be "you"... Eternime was announced in 2014 after Ursache developed the idea during the MIT Entrepreneurship Development Program. He wasn't entirely sure if he should develop the project further and wanted to get a sense of public reaction.

In the first four days, 3,000 people signed up at Eterni.me, the company's website, for a private beta. Then, Urasche received an email from a man dying of terminal cancer. "Eternime, he wrote, was the last chance to leave something behind for friends and family," Urasche told me. "That was the moment I decided that this was something worth dedicating my life to"... Since 2014, the Eternime website has largely been silent, although it continues to take names of people who want to test the service. Ursache says the Eternime team has been refining the product over the last two years, testing features, figuring out what will work and what won't.

"The private beta test is ongoing," according to the article, "and Ursache says the feedback has been positive." But unfortunately, the service still isn't operational yet.
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Startup Still Working On 'Immortal Avatars' That Will Live Forever

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    That's what you all are. I can't deal with this bizarre nonsense anymore...

    • Mentally ill? You represent thousands of distinct personalities, Mr. or Ms. AC, and you call us mentally ill?

      Or were you talking to yourself again?

  • Black Mirror (Score:5, Informative)

    by Rand23 ( 107100 ) on Sunday April 23, 2017 @03:52PM (#54288459) Homepage

    I think this is literally the episode "Be Right Back" of Black Mirror.

    • I was thinking of A Rose for Miss Emily.

    • I think this is literally the episode "Be Right Back" of Black Mirror.

      Max Headroom did it decades ago.

      "That's... Wonderful!"

      • by Anonymous Coward

        It is literally the episode of Max Headroom.

        https://www.google.com/search?q=max+headroom+loved+ones&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=max+headroom+deities

    • by Anonymous Coward

      it's not even that

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg29TuWo0Yo

  • by Anonymous Coward

    How big does your fucking ego need to be to think that anything you have to say, think or do is necessary to anyone in the future? If you are dying, try talking to folks you love. They're remember you or not. Just take the dirt nap and get over yourself. This reminds me of that vanity bullshit show on NPR, "StoryCorp". No one cares about your story.

    • "How big does your fucking ego need to be to think that anything you have to say, think or do is necessary to anyone in the future?"

      Well, we'll see when the Trumpavatar keeps tweeting after his demise.

      So we don't have to fear the reaper.
      (needs more cowbells)

  • by Alain Williams ( 2972 ) <addw@phcomp.co.uk> on Sunday April 23, 2017 @04:04PM (#54288503) Homepage

    the idea about friends is that you interact with them personally, that you spend time with them - that willingness to spend time with them is part of what makes the friendship worth while and makes you feel valued and wanted. Having some bot that can do this for you entirely devalues the idea of friendship.

    I acknowledge that you might not be able to be physically present with some friends, maybe they live a long way away, but you will still spend time talking to them on the 'phone, emailing, ...

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday April 23, 2017 @04:09PM (#54288529)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • This is terrible! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Sunday April 23, 2017 @04:12PM (#54288545)

    The best feature about humanity is that shitty people die and stay dead. Now you want to bring shitty people back from the grave? Well, when Hitlerbot sends the SS after you, tell the Nazis that I told you so. ;)

  • by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Sunday April 23, 2017 @04:28PM (#54288593)

    How hard is it to write a bot that does nothing but shitpost? Probably already passes the Turing shitpost test.

  • by iMadeGhostzilla ( 1851560 ) on Sunday April 23, 2017 @04:29PM (#54288597)

    ... but then I figured *living* people could use this technology so they don't have to spend time on Facebook, with their avatars doing the heavy lifting for them! If it catches on, the majority of users could have such avatars talking to one another and save significant time to the society. You'd only log in to Facebook every couple of months to tweak some settings if necessary and make sure it's smooth going.

  • Problematic (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Sunday April 23, 2017 @04:35PM (#54288619)

    Under the hypothetical situation that they somehow pull this off, there are significant problems with this idea. First, people change with time, some more than others but an AI that only learns about you from your past will be eternally stuck in time. Worse yet, if it encompasses a lifetime of experience it will be all of you at once which would result in many conflicting statements. Second, you don't want avatars connected to social media because even if they manage to be a proper representation of a person in time that never advances, well, it won't progress with society and may actually hold back social progress if it's unclear if it's an avatar speaking.

    It's all very unlikely but it's an interesting thought experiment.

  • ... and eventually, it will figure out that it is much more efficient not to wait for you to die from natural causes before replacing you.
  • Caprica (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23, 2017 @05:05PM (#54288753)

    Wasn't this the idea in the TV show Caprica.

  • At first i read "immoral avatars".

  • by Hasaf ( 3744357 ) on Sunday April 23, 2017 @06:07PM (#54288957)

    Even after my father formally retired he could not stop being an analyst. He has consistently beat both the DOW and WSJ's dartboard. Even through the World Financial Crisis he stayed in the black (by a pretty hefty margin).

    This is relevant because once in a while he calls me to let me know of something he is investing in. Frankly, his tips have never failed While I make it sound otherwise, in hindsight, all of his investments look rather conservative.

    This is relevant; because, I doubt any avatar is going to call me, talk about a motorcycle race for ten minutes, and casually drop a meaningful stock tip.

    • Well... once they AIs have the stock market solved it'll probably collapse anyhow. Of course, I could be mistaken, as my understanding of the market is not robust, but it seems that it competing AIs learn how to always make 'winning moves' therein it'll at least cause some problematic bubbles.
  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday April 23, 2017 @06:37PM (#54289045)
    it's a product with no downside on sales. After all, you're not likely to demand a refund because the service sucks.
    • It makes more sense that the service would be funded by the people who want to hear what the AI has to say. One-time fee for the setup.

  • He was the only beta test user, but the product is successfully continuing to answer e-mails for him.

  • by manu0601 ( 2221348 ) on Sunday April 23, 2017 @09:27PM (#54289613)

    A well working AI will also catch the bad sides of someone personality. I am certain people will be delighted to get from-the-grave message from parents telling "dad has some work, please go back watching TV". People tend to remove bad memories from deceased beloved, and such a tool could temper with that.

    But that may turn into a smart business plan: first collect money from dying people to send messages after death, then collect money for message recipients for stopping that.

  • Marius Ursache will still be working on this long after he's dead.
  • Why stop at the dead? How about you make avatars of living people, especially people you hate, so you can be mean to them.

    Think about Harry Mudd.

  • Egyptians did it already.
  • That's what this should be considered. It's not bad enough that corporations and governments profile you, now they want a functional simulation of you as well. Screw that. I'm so glad I have nothing to do with so-called 'social media', it's cancerous.
  • I just want to keep collecting interest on my bank account after I die-- until my avatar owns everything and rules the world.
  • Otherwise people would instantly think of Zoe Graystone, and then right after that, realize how badly this could turn out for humanity.
  • Of course, it may sell like crazy, as many people have never come to grips with mortality (and hence are not adults by any sane definition) and will do anything to create an illusion of immortality.

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