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Opera Rethinks What a Browser In 2017 Should Do: Adds Quick Access To WhatsApp, Telegram, Messenger in v45 (theverge.com) 99

Opera says it has been working on a complete redesign of its desktop browser for a few months. Codenamed "Reborn", the new version of the browser focuses on one feature that it thinks many people desire in 2017: a way to stay connected with friends and be able to swiftly share things. The Verge adds: The latest addition is a messaging sidebar built directly into the browser interface. From the sidebar, users can log into their WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, and Telegram accounts, and chat with friends and family without ever leaving Opera itself. [...] But as with previous updates, there's a lingering feeling that this new feature is a little bit too superficial. While it is nice to have access to chat apps in the browser window, their inclusion makes for a crowded interface.
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Opera Rethinks What a Browser In 2017 Should Do: Adds Quick Access To WhatsApp, Telegram, Messenger in v45

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  • Goodbye Opera (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Chrisq ( 894406 ) on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:01AM (#54392033)
    Goodbye Opera, nice knowing you. I want a browser to browse websites, that's all
    • Re:Goodbye Opera (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:04AM (#54392057)

      I think they're trying to differentiate themselves. I agree, not for me, I don't use any of those social media apps and have no desire to integrate my browser with them.

      The problem for them is, their market share is tiny compared to Chrome. They need to do something different to stand out or people will, for the most part, use Chrome.

      • Re:Goodbye Opera (Score:5, Insightful)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) <mojoNO@SPAMworld3.net> on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:07AM (#54392085) Homepage Journal

        Integrating specific sites or apps into the browser is always a bad, short-sighted idea. They come and go so quickly, and even among your user base only a fraction will actually use those sites at all regularly.

        Anyway, doesn't Opera support extensions? Why not just use those, why bake in bloat that many people won't use?

    • Opera has had another browser format all along. On smartphone it's called Opera Coast. It's my favorite browser on the smart phone because it gets out of your way, and it also compresses the web pages when the pipe is slow. While I use Chrome or Safari or Firefox on desktops, the COast browser is truly optimized for the smart phone usage patterns, maximizing screen real estate, quick access to web sites, and reduced download times.

    • Re:Goodbye Opera (Score:4, Informative)

      by samwichse ( 1056268 ) on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:32AM (#54392755)

      It's not really Opera anymore anyway.

      They sold off Opera to another company that is just running a Chrome skin. It doesn't seem to offer much extra reason to use it over Chrome.

      Vivaldi is where the Opera people went. If you liked Opera 12.x, you'll like Vivialdi well enough. Still not quite back where the old Opera was, but getting close. And with a rendering engine that doesn't choke on 50% of modern websites.

    • Totally agree. I never used that crap, I will drop Opera without regret. I am actually in love with Puffin browser for Android, too bad it is not yet available for Windows.

    • Shit that is so 1990s. People don't browse like that any more.

      No I'm not being facetious. I'm just observing that someone under the age of 30 is very likely to have 2 tabs permanently open in their browser: WhatsApp and Facebook, for the exact reasons listed.

  • by evolutionary ( 933064 ) on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:08AM (#54392089)
    Why do I feel like whomever purchase opera in China is looking to install data collectors (aka Trojans) much like MS has done with Windows 10.
  • by Errol backfiring ( 1280012 ) on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:08AM (#54392093) Journal
    In other words, add a metric shitload of things that the user does not want anyway. Just like Firefox.
    • I'm not so sure about that anymore. The more I look around the more I see browsers with lots of tabs, but two familiar ones on every screen: WhatsApp and Facebook. For no other reason than messages and it being a shitload easier to type on a computer than on a phone.

  • by blind biker ( 1066130 ) on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:10AM (#54392113) Journal

    Telegram is the only popular messaging app, and it's pretty awesome. I highly recommend it. It's similar to Whatsapp, except it doesn't belong to Fuckerberg.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Two DOMs. The one that the scripts see, and the one that the user sees. Tricky (i.e. fun to experiment on and develop) rules for propagating changes and events from one to the other. The goal: serve the user, all other considerations extremely, rapidly, distantly secondary.

    That these people think that instant messaging (especially proprietary instant messages) is important or even of non-negative value in a browser, is hilariously out-of-touch.

  • Just having a browser that doesn't take nearly a gig of RAM for a few tabs would be nice.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Maybe one day you'll learn how memory and memory management works in a modern OS.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Nobody is complaining about "how memory and memory management works in a modern OS". Just the fact that browsers are memory hogs. That is a property of the browser, not the operating system.

  • I could never get used to Opera. Of course, the last time I looked at Opera was back in the WinXP days. Loading it up with apps won't change my mind.
  • A good browser should have especially a good advertisement blocking.
    And some other things like something for blocking scripts (like uMatrix) and something for tracking certificates for selected (e.g. banking) websites.
  • Who started the trend of making web browsers more than just a web browser by default? If someone has a time machine, we should probably take a quick jump back and deal with that.
    • Who started the trend of making web browsers more than just a web browser by default?

      I don't know. Netscape maybe? It's still around, but it doesn't get much press these days. But if stability is what you're after, look no further.

  • So by adding social media apps to their browser you would expect that they'd be targeting a younger crowd that is more involved in using such services. This might be me sounding old, but those that are younger that they would be targeting would also be less likely to download a browser other than what's on their phones already. A desktop version of this browser would totally miss the mark. What type of user would actually be interested in this?
  • They added WhatsApp, Telegram, and Messenger? Sold!

    No, not really. Are those REALLY what people want in 2017???

  • It has been stable in function and in form for about 20 years.

    Three guesses which one...

  • Yes, just hand over the credentials to all of your social media accounts to this innocent Chinese company. What could go wrong??

  • At one time, Opera lead the way on web standards compliance.

    Less compliant browsers like IE seemed to have websites catering to their flaws.

    Then, somewhere along the way, it seems that browser development started wagging the dog (and driving standard development all the more).

    I was an early Opera adopter... then I floundered for a bit until Vivaldi came out (Thank you Jon!)

    The current Opera's VPN does interest me... but yada-yada chinese trojans

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