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Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, the Next Major Update To Desktop OS (betanews.com) 121

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At its developer conference on Thursday, Microsoft announced that the next major update to its desktop operating system will be called Windows 10 Fall Creators Update. It will be made available in September later this year. The update will come with several new features: Timeline, Pick Up Where You Left Off, Clipboard, OneDrive Files On-Demand, and Story Remix app among others. Timeline is a new feature that improves the Task View area to provide a list of apps and workspaces that you were using previously or on other devices. Think of it like a time machine for resuming old sessions. Timeline also combines with a new Pick Up Where You Left Off feature to let you resume sessions and apps on multiple devices. A report adds: "With Files On-Demand, you can access all your files in the cloud without having to download them and use storage space on your device. You don't have to change the way you work, because all your files -- even online files -- can be seen in File Explorer and work just like every other file on your device," says Jeff Teper, corporate vice president, Office, OneDrive and SharePoint teams. [...] Windows 10 Fall Creators Update will continue the use of Project Neon, which now has an official name of "Microsoft Fluent Design System." It is important to note that this design focus is not a Windows 10 FCU feature, but something Microsoft intends to implement in apps across platforms and device types. End users should start to experience it more with FCU, however. [...] Windows 10 Fall Creators Update will come with a new app called "Windows Story Remix." This app is designed to help users transform their existing photos and videos. This tool can be used to create stories from content in a fun way.
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  • Maybe they should get the current update working? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by danomac ( 1032160 ) on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:11AM (#54400287)

    I've been reading about problems with the current update, maybe they should fix it first?

    • If you're talking about the Anniversary Update, I had to do a clean install on my Dell laptop. I'm hoping it will be necessary for the next update.

      • I had to do a clean install on my Dell laptop. I'm hoping it will be necessary for the next update.

        A user who hopes a clean install will be necessary after an update? You are Microsoft's dream come true!

        • A user who hopes a clean install will be necessary after an update?

          Back in the WinXP days, I could do a clean install and reinstall all application in 45 minutes. I've done that only three times over the last ten years since Windows Vista.

          • I could do a clean install and reinstall all application in 45 minutes. I've done that only three times over the last ten years since Windows Vista.

            ...45 minutes? That must've been for a home/play PC, right? At work, between multiple version of Visual Studio, lots of admin/mgmt applications, multiple versions of SQL Server, etc. a clean install and app reinstall is more like a full day of teeth gnashing. About half of that time involves the countless service packs and updates being pulled down and installed.

    • Yah, the current update is a royal pain. Failed repeatedly for me, but kept on trying. So I did a manual download of the patch, and installed it. Worked fine.

      Unfortunately, the auto-update still thinks I need the update, so it dutifully tries every day to download and install the update, fails to do so, and reports that failure to me every morning.

      This AM got the first hint at the new version. Popup appeared telling me about the new thing, gave me the option of telling them all about my privacy settin

    • What do you think these updates are if not just fixes? This is a brave new world of only service packs to fix anything other than major security holes.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by almaden ( 631213 )
      Major updates every 6 months is like having to install service packs twice a year (I know the monthly updates are cumulative). Even if major features are added, I hold my breath every time these big updates come. It's inevitable that some driver will stop working, or some program will be auto-removed without much notification. In last year's Anniversary Update, my finger print reader stopped working on an older HP laptop. In the Creators Update, a AMD Raedon 7600 HD video card stopped working in my 4 year

    • I've been reading about problems with the current update, maybe they should fix it first?

      Precisely! Also, what's the 'theme' of this OS that warrants the 'Creators' brand? I do have one suggestion for Creators - enable one to play music videos under Groove, instead of Movies, so that they can be played under playlists. Yeah, Windows Media Player does that as well, but it's not available on Windows 10 ARM or in the app store, only from legacy Windows 7.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by chrish ( 4714 )

        At this point I'd settle for Groove being able to play the music in my collection. When I added the collection to Groove, about five albums out of around 1000 actually showed up.

        I was sort of expecting it to be unable to play FLAC files, but there are a lot of plain old MP3s in there too.

        I've had bad experiences with all the Win10 apps I've tried: Mail, Wunderlist, and now MS To-Do. All three just stop communicating with the Internet for updates after a couple of days. Mail and the Win10 version of OneNote

  • Windows FCU (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:13AM (#54400297)

    How's that pronounced?

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I'm not a native English speaker, but I'd say it's "fuck you".

  • An update for the creators of falls? On Windows?

    Windows 10 Fall Creators Update.

    • Windows 10 Fails Creator

      FTFY - V'Ger is pissed. Exterminate all the carbon units!

      • V'Ger must have had a biological boot loader. So wouldn't it save carbon units? Wouldn't it's carbon unit creators have had their own version of the four laws of robotics?

        0. Can't cause or allow through inaction the extinction of ${carbon-unit} species.
        1. Can't cause or allow through inaction the death of a single ${carbon-unit}, unless it conflicts with the previous laws.
        2. Must obey ${carbon-unit} orders unless it conflicts with the previous laws.
        3. Must protect its own existence unless it conflic

  • With Files On-Demand (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    With Files On-Demand, we can access all your files in the cloud (and sell them on to the highest bidder)

  • Project Neon / Fluent Design System (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ErichTheRed ( 39327 ) on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:18AM (#54400343)

    It seems to me like Microsoft hasn't fully learned the lesson that desktop/laptop users don't want a touch-centric iTunes style user interface. If you look at some of the screenshots, we're back to monochrome icons and flat totally featureless windows. I wonder if menus will even make an appearance, and if they do, they'll be back to ALL CAPS.

    I'm all for having something like this in Tablet Mode. But come on guys, Windows Phone is dead. There's no reason to force PC users to use a phone-inspired interface. This honestly looks like what MS did with Visual Studio 2013 -- removed all the color, made the default text color an unreadable gray on white, etc. It took the developers complaining bitterly to get both Visual Studio and Office to have some color and visual differentiation again.

    • That's not at all related to Neon or Fluent design. If anything this is less flat than the Windows 10 status quo.

  • So in other words... (Score:3)

    by Indy1 ( 99447 ) on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:18AM (#54400349)

    they're just going to keep jamming more and more useless bullshitware into the OS that no one wants, no one will use, and continue to ignore bugs and other crapola in Windows

    • Do you expect them to announce bug fixes 6 months out? You should actually see how many bugs they squash with these updates when they release them. The only people "ignoring" them are the marketing folk who know that people who want to know what new features are going to be present understand that bug fixes are par for the course.

      As for no one wants or will use, the files on demand feature sounds useful as does Pick Up Where You Left Off. Quit your whining just because they aren't doing what *you* want them

      • As for no one wants or will use, the files on demand feature sounds useful as does Pick Up Where You Left Off.

        They do sound useful. It's too bad that they require placing so much trust in the likes of Microsoft.

      • The problem is not the updates have bug fixes. The problem is that to get big fixes users have to get "features" they didn't want. Also a problem is that unlike the past, it was far easier to avoid a problematic update because it caused problems with your driver, programs, etc. For many if the update fails (which is a common occurrence with the current Windows update), your computer is unusable.

    • So MS is taking a cue from the Cheetos of the US;
      They are creating a bigger issue to make us forget about the previous unresolved issues.

      Nice.

  • This is actually a feature I was waiting for. These days tablets have a small 128 or 256 GB SSD but you can have 1 TB cloud storage which will now be much more useful.
    I hope they will add a feature to automatically delete the local copy of a file not used for X days.

    • ...and actually, they need to make a half decent Mac version of OneDrive. Without that, general corporate adoption will always be "yeah, the Windows guys are all done, but the Mac guys keep using local files".

      That said, OneDrive doesn't integrate terribly well with Window 7 either, so maybe it'll just always be "well, some people use it for some stuff"...?

      • general corporate doesn't really care or use Mac anyways

      • Wouldn't Mac users automatically go w/ iCloud? I use OneDrive for my iPhone backups, but only b'cos I have 1TB there as a result of my Office 365 license.

    • This is actually a feature I was waiting for. These days tablets have a small 128 or 256 GB SSD but you can have 1 TB cloud storage which will now be much more useful. I hope they will add a feature to automatically delete the local copy of a file not used for X days.

      I thought that this was already there. Like a couple of years ago, when I had a low end WinBook w/ just 16GB of storage (as opposed to your 'low' of 128 or 256), what I did was have an off-line download of OneDrive (then SkyDrive) on the SD card, which also was the target drives for 'My Documents' and everything else. So that whenever I saved anything, a single operation ensured that there were 2 copies - both one on OneDrive and one on my SD card. Since then, when that WinBook broke down, I could just g

      • I don't know what your setup is but with the latest version of windows and one drive, you can't browse your cloud files in the file manager without syncing (downloading a local copy). So either you sync it or you don't. But if you don't, you must manually either sync the file or get it from a web browser, which is painful in both cases.

        • I did the latter - created a local copy. Actually, when I download OneDrive from the Windows Store and run it, it creates that for me in File Explorer. I work on files directly from there, and so at the end of my session, the OneDrive file is what gets updated. So no manual sync'ing of the file

          And when I was really cramped for storage, I set it up so that the SkyDrive download was on the SD card. Actually, that one was a bit of a fiasco, when I had that WinBook. Initially, I could save it on the SD c

          • I did the latter - created a local copy.

            But you still have a local copy. The whole point of this feature is NOT having a local copy. Not on SD card, not on main storage, nothing. And still be able to seamlessly access files.

  • This features sounds interesting...

    Is this what will lead to me being able to wave my hand from the monitor to the tv and have my app follow me? If so, ok, good job M$, I like that... but only that.

  • Broken Hardware (Score:3)

    by darkain ( 749283 ) on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:48AM (#54400553) Homepage

    Each new "update" to Windows breaks an undisclosed piece of hardware. We've seen the removal of DVD support. We've seen the removal of web cams. And from the security side, the March update for Windows broke smart cards (used by DoD, secure businesses) - I've literally had to run VMWare with a Windows 7 VM ever since on my work machine because I'm the I.T. tasked with "testing" Win10 to see if the entire company could use it. Since smart cards don't work anymore, things have become an absolute pain in the ass, since that is what we use for SSH authentication, which includes both server shell access and git access (things used literally every few minutes here). I can only imagine which critical hardware they'll cripple next.

    • I've been experiencing other odd issues with SmartCards related to windows 10. I couldn't tell you what version of Windows 10 I'm on at my office. But, it's the weirdest damned thing I've experienced. I've been able to use my smartcard (yubikey) with windows 10 to the point where I've been able to load my certificate into pagent and ssh access my normal resources, but when logging into the domain it only lets me access local resources. So every time I elevate on my local computer to manage the domain, it sa

  • Wrong solution to the problem (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:55AM (#54400595)

    > Timeline is a new feature that improves the Task View area to provide a list of apps and workspaces that you were using previously or on other devices. Think of it like a time machine for resuming old sessions

    Just bring back all of my opened apps in the state they were in before you rebooted my PC overnight, when I never asked you to, and I'll be happy.

    Simpler solution: Quit fucking rebooting my machine, even if you tell me you're going to. If I want to postpone the reboot for a week, that should be *my* decision. That's all I want.

    Seriously, I'm about to schedule a task to run "shutdown -a" (abort) every 2 minutes and have it run 24/7.

    • Re:Wrong solution to the problem (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Hank the Lion ( 47086 ) on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:57PM (#54401013) Journal

      Please mod parent up.
      Preventing the regular rebooting of my computer "in the unused hours" (at night, when I sleep, announce at 2 AM that a reboot will take place at 4 AM so I will not be able to interfere) is a more urgent issue for me than these new features.
      And now, you can work with your offline files without downloading them! They have finally re-invented NFS! Hooray!

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by hackel ( 10452 )

      Or you could just...you know...put your money where your mouth is and use an operating system that doesn't do this. Instead of continuing to support MS and just *hoping* that they eventually do what you want, when they have shown absolutel8y no inclination to do.

    • You can disable the reboot check task in Scheduler. Google it.

  • Am I the only one who copy pasted the title to check if it includes "fail" with a funky PascalCase?

    • Am I the only one who copy pasted the title to check if it includes "fail" with a funky PascalCase?

      Nope. :)

  • The 'upgrade' I'm waiting for: (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I'm waiting for the 'Remove all spyware' upgrade, so it stops spying on everything I'm doing.
    Also waiting for the 'Not an advertising platform' upgrade, and the 'Returns total control of your system to the owner/user' upgrade.

  • Ondrive files-on-demand don't work (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ljw1004 ( 764174 ) on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:38PM (#54400881)

    I never got the point of files-on-demand...

    * if the file was big enough to be worth leaving off my laptop's SSD, like a 5mb photo or 30mb video, then the delay in loading it inside file explorer is by no means "seamless" - I have to wait a long time with frozen file-open dialogs while the file downloads. (I'm on Comcast cable)

    * if the file is small enough for its download to be seamless, about 500k, then I might as well have left it on the SSD because it's so small.

    * if my one drive is large enough for files-on-demand to be useful (which it is, at 700gb and loads of files) then windows spends five days just downloading metadata for all of them.

    * if I need to work on a folder of photos, I basically have to tell onedrive to download the 1gb folder of photos, wait an indeterminate period of time (hours or days with no good indication of progress), then do my work.

    * I used files-on-demand because space on my SSD was to limited, but it gave me no good control to free up space when I no longer needed the files local.

    Well, that was my dismal experience with the previous iteration of demand before they abandoned it. I'll approach this one with an open mind.

    • Your two use cases have a very one sided view:

      1. Large file causing delay.
      2. Small file not causing disk space issues.

      You're leaving out some very relevant scenarios:
      3. Large files accessed rarely enough that the delay isn't an issue.
      4. A metric shitload of small files which together use a lot of disk space.

      Sometimes the desire to sync can outweigh many issues. I have several folders which fall into scenario 3 and my main working folder well and truly falls into scenario 4.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

        Your two use cases have a very one sided view:

        1. Large file causing delay.
        2. Small file not causing disk space issues.

        You're leaving out some very relevant scenarios:
        3. Large files accessed rarely enough that the delay isn't an issue.
        4. A metric shitload of small files which together use a lot of disk space.

        Sometimes the desire to sync can outweigh many issues. I have several folders which fall into scenario 3 and my main working folder well and truly falls into scenario 4.

        I kind of covered those...

        3. Large file accessed rarely enough? Of course delay isn't an issue, which is why I'm happy to navigate to the OneDrive website and download the file manually. It's a bit more clunky on the download side, but at least it gives me a solid progress indicator (much better than a "File>Open dialog that's frozen solid for an indeterminate length of time). And it gives me better accountability for when to delete the file after I'm done: I know where all my downloaded files are, which

    • My reading of this was it being a continuous live backup of work you are doing, so that if you need to access it from another computer (or phone), you can.
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  • I know Windows is pretty much garbage, but come on...even has had a clipboard since the Windows 1.0 days...

    What I don't understand is: "you can access all your files in the cloud without having to download them and use storage space on your device."

    So what, it downloads them to RAM only? That sounds just a bit dodgy. Hell, even the browser will cache things to disk. Is this just an outright lie?

    • Talking of clipboards, my favorite one was the one in KDE, which could store different copied strings, so that I could select the one that I wanted to paste. Unfortunately, I don't notice that under Lumina, but I haven't looked.
  • I'd only like that next w10 release would stop to bring down my pc at least twice a day or, at least, not try to perform heavy system upgrades when the device is not connected to the power outlet... I don't care about timeline, remix and all that fuss...

  • Windows 10 Fall Creators Update? It looks WAY too much like the current Windows 10 FAIL Creators Update...

    I don't exactly mean this as a troll... I'm one of the few still using a Windows phone (Lumia 950), partly because I love the hardware itself, partly because they got me into that "ecosystem" when I was working there and they gave me my first smartphone, a Windows Phone 7 device. So, I've stuck with it, but this latest update is pure FAIL. The OS (on mobile) has gone backwards in *nearly* every way p

  • With your large files shuttling back-and-forth beteween MS and your PC, watch internet usage skyrocket.

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