How Fonts Are Fueling the Culture Wars (backchannel.com) 224
Reader mirandakatz writes: Typography is having a bit of a moment: Suddenly, tons of people who don't work in design have all sorts of opinions about it, and are taking every opportunity to point out poor font choices and smaller design elements. But they're missing the bigger picture. As Medium designer Ben Hersh writes at Backchannel, typography isn't just catchy visuals: It can also be dangerous. As Hersh writes, 'Typography can silently influence: It can signify dangerous ideas, normalize dictatorships, and sever broken nations. In some cases it may be a matter of life and death. And it can do this as powerfully as the words it depicts.' Don't believe him? He's got ample visual examples to prove it.
Comic Sans (Score:5, Funny)
Make everything Comic Sans, problem solved!
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God help us.
Re:Comic Sans (Score:5, Funny)
According to my will, my obituary will be published in Comic Sans.
I love to annoy Font Nazis, and that will be my last opportunity.
Re:Comic Sans (Score:5, Funny)
That's okay, I plan to have mine published in Wingdings
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According to my will, my obituary will be published in Comic Sans. I love to annoy Font Nazis, and that will be my last opportunity.
Obituaries are so ephemeral. You should see about using Comic Sans on your gravestone. If you can get one coated in alumin(i)um is should add a couple hundred extra years to it.
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If you want to be truly horrified, google this. It's been done. Many times.
Re: Comic Sans (Score:2)
The ceefax font.
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Re:Comic Sans (Score:5, Informative)
I don't know why everyone hates comic sans...
As with everything, it's Microsoft's fault. /s
In the mid/late 90s, the PC revolution meant that Microsoft Word became ubiquitous. Word made it easy to put together a "publication ready" document. Now, instead of having publishing software and tools in the hands of an elite group of users, steeped in the craft of typography, anyone with a computer could do it.
But Word didn't present these new users with any of the arcane knowledge of when to use which font that typography experts had. No one was teaching them the significance of serif versus sans serif. It didn't talk about the cultural implications of humanist typefaces. -- No, it just presented a simple drop-down box containing every font on the system, and left it to the user to pick one that they wanted, with little to no guidance.
Combined with this is the advent of the Internet for the masses, and particularly in Internet standardization. Comic Sans was one of the fonts picked as a standard web font -- and for good reason! It's very useful for short text in comic-like settings. That's what it was designed for - a font that could be used in dialog bubbles in computer-produced versions of things like Batman and Spiderman comics. The early web standardizers saw the use of such a font for various things on the internet, like info boxes and captions, etc. It wasn't intended as the main font on a primarily-text document, but if it wasn't included in the standard, you couldn't count on it for even the odd usage.
But all this consideration was lost on the users of Word - no one bothered to tell them what the intent of the font was, or give them any information or guidance in picking the font they want to use(1). Nope. Users were forced to randomly try fonts, and pick what they thought was best. And since they were (*sniff*) "the masses", they picked what they thought looked nice. All the esoteric considerations that knowledgeable typography experts apply are thrown out the window. And Comic Sans *does* look nice - in small doses (which is all you get when you have novices trying fonts out). Also, when compared to the other fonts you had available at the time, it stood out. (Let's be honest: from a high-level perspective, there's not much difference between Times New Roman and Garamond. You'd have to be a typography expert to explain in which situations you'd prefer one over the other.)
So a large number of people picked Comic Sans, thinking they were being sophisticated by not leaving Word to use the default typeface. This lead to the use of Comic Sans in a number of situations where it was just not done, according to the typography elite. It quickly became a way to separate those with typographical sophistication from the hoi polloi. We can all get together and laugh at the naiveté of those uncouth barbarians who pick Comic Sans. We all get behind a movement to Ban Comic Sans as a form of virtue signalling. Being against Comic Sans is not so much about having objections about the use of the font (which, don't get me wrong, there *are* valid reasons for), but about associating yourself with the type of people who are against the font (i.e. the literate, learned, cultured people who care about typefaces).
tl;dr - People hate Comic Sans because Microsoft eliminated the barrier to entry in publishing for people without typographical knowledge.
1) Heck, even today, with all the typography snobs running around, no one has really put together a good "so you know nothing about typography, but want to pick a font" guide -- well, except for the guides which are a one liner: "Use Helvetica."
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No. People hate comic sans because it looks like a child's version of a font. Hell, the name itself, "COMIC sans" indicates it's not to be taken seriously. It's used in the real world to indicate whimsy or something pedestrian such as a sign on a door of a church that might say "Don't forget to bring a dish for the potluck this Sunday morning at 11!" and that's perfectly fine.
When you are trying to get someone to invest in something called the "The Chappaquiddick Binomial Integrity Fund II" or something,
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No. People hate comic sans because it looks like a child's version of a font.
I'm seeing a lot of "Idiots misuse comic sans, therefore comic sans is bad."
Hitler was a vegetarian, you know.
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And against smoking. It took decades longer for Germany and Japan to even start cracking down on smokers because whenever it was brought up, it was 'yeah, Hitler was against smoking too'.
Re: Comic Sans (Score:2)
Which just shows that he wasn't entirely bad.
But I can't help wondering about if his real revenge came through the VW bug, one of the more dangerous cars ever made.
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It was supposed to be named Cosmic Sense, but somewhere along the line a comedian got a hold of it...
Re:Comic Sans (Score:4, Informative)
It quickly became a way to separate those with typographical sophistication from the hoi polloi.
"The hoi polloi" is like saying "the La Brea tar pits" or "The big Rio Grande river".
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"The hoi polloi" is like saying "the La Brea tar pits" or "The big Rio Grande river".
Merriam Webster [merriam-webster.com]: "Even though hoi itself means "the", in English we almost always say "the hoi polloi". Or Oxford Dictionaries [oxforddictionaries.com]: "This knowledge has led some traditionalists to insist that hoi polloi should not be used in English with the, since that would be to state the word the twice. Such arguments miss the point: once established in English, expressions such as hoi polloi are treated as a fixed unit and are subject to the rules and conventions of English." Or even the venerable OED [oed.com] itself: "In English
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It's interesting that you saw a paragraph about intellectual elites finding things by which they can look down upon others, and your response is to post something that makes you appear intellectual and discriminating, but has no basis in reality.
That "the hoi polloi" is like "the La Brea" is based in reality, and not discriminating. Whatever else you extrapolated from that is on you.
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"The hoi polloi" is like saying "the La Brea tar pits" or "The big Rio Grande river".
IOW a high-brow version of stuttering?
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It quickly became a way to separate those with typographical sophistication from the hoi polloi.
"The hoi polloi" is like saying "the La Brea tar pits" or "The big Rio Grande river".
Thanks for the heads up, but I intend to discard this information so it doesn't start bothering me as well. That's pretty much the only usage of that that you see.
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Typesetters and designers are pissed that we democratized the printed word, boo hoo. Now the unwashed masses can communicate ideas, and the bourgeoisie can whine incessantly about our ugly and inferior presentation.
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News papers are basically dead.
Sadly not dead enough. In the UK, they still pick election winners.
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See the online book Butterick's practical typography [practicaltypography.com], in special sections Typography in ten minutes [practicaltypography.com] and system fonts [practicaltypography.com].
It's free to read, but you can pay for it, and help it by talking about it.
Re: Comic Sans (Score:2)
Buttericks, you must be joking: https://www.buttericks.se/ [buttericks.se]
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I don't know if that's meant as a joke, but the site above is from this other Butterick [practicaltypography.com]. Don't think they're related.
Re: Comic Sans (Score:2)
It,s not as shitty as some of the fonts that 'require' cleartype. They either looks fuzzy with cleartype on or uneven with cleartype off. Luckily uBlock allows those shitty fonts to be circumvented.
And don't say that my computer isn't tuned for 'best graphical experience', because it doesn't help at all, it's still fuzzy.
Comic Sans is just fine. (Score:3)
Comic Sans is wonderful. Three reasons.
First, as to its general appearance, it's fun and playful, and (duh) highly reminiscent of comics, which can truly be an art form. This would be enough, but also:
Second, the letters are highly distinct from one another, so it's quick to comprehend. That actually makes it a good idea to use.
Third, it annoys the heck out of fashionistas, and that just makes me smile. Nothing makes the self-important highlight their phony-balony more than a completely unimportant issue wh
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I don't know why everyone hates comic sans...
It’s fine, as long as you use it in thought and speech bubbles.
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in my experience there is absolutely a correlation between the use of that font and elevated douchitude.
There was a famous incident when several thousand people were laid off, and their dismissal notices were printed in Comic Sans.
Disclaimer: I can't find a citation, so this is probably not actually true, but still, it is a good story.
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Here's a funny image made by an idiot because PNG was the obvious choice for this kind of image [pinimg.com].
Re:Comic Sans (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not funny, just pretentious.
Comic Sans has an actual use in the classroom for young readers and writers. It is the only font that has all of the following features at the same time:
a. It's widely available, installed on pretty much any computer some random Word or PowerPoint file might find itself.
b. The lower case "a" has a single loop and a small tail, the way it's usually taught for handwriting.
c. The lower case "g" has a single loop and a hook, the way it's usually taught for handwriting.
d. The "I" and "l" characters are easily distinguished (see what I did there?).
e. The "U" and "u" characters are easily distinguished.
Handwriting? (Score:5, Informative)
Handwriting? What's that?
BTW, SIL (an international missionary organization that does Bible translation) has produced many free fonts (you may even have heard of the "SIL Font License", which some other free fonts use). Because Bible translation is usually done for pre-literate or newly literate cultures, the Andika font (https://www.sil-lead.org/blog/2013/8/18/andika). I don't know how it compares with Comic Sans in your list of desiderata, though.
For the record, SIL produces a wide variety of other fonts, including Cyrillic, Greek and fonts for other non-Roman scripts (http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php). They're Beta testing a Nasta'liq font--if you know anything about Nasta'liq, you probably know that it's one of the hardest styles in the world to typeset. SIL (through a former member, Jonathan Kew) is also the creator of XeTeX (now maintained by others).
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Shareholders.
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Make everything Comic Sans, problem solved!
I prefer Verdana for Email and documentation.
I do have a pet peeve with Courier and Courier New. It should have been designed with a slashed zero so that it doesn't look like a capital O and the number one to be more distinctive from a lower-case L. Consolas provides some of this but I find it to be a bit too heavy. When doing CLI documentation it makes a big difference.
Deeper Subject (Score:4, Interesting)
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I thought the article was going to be about how a capital "I" and a lowercase "L" look the same
Even worse are the old people that learned to type on manual typewriters, and use a lowercase "L" instead of a one.
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This is also why there is no US cent symbol on a keyboard. We use to just type c and then backspace and over-type the /. (see what I did there?)
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There's a cent symbol on my keyboard. It's the same key as the dollar symbol, except instead of shift you hold option.
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Or you could just use the currency sign, the most useless of all characters. It's so useless, I can't even type it here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I thought the article was going to be about how a capital "I" and a lowercase "L" look the same in some fonts and really messes up your code. I've had it happen before... Il
Just don't mention the Greek question mark
Reading way to far into buts of propaganda (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Reading way to far into buts of propaganda (Score:5, Informative)
There was a recent article [economist.com] in the Economist about publishing in the Arab World. With the turmoil in Iraq, Syria, and Egypt, Arabic publishing is dying. In Beirut bookstores, 40% of the books are in English, 40% in French, and only 20% in Arabic. Part of this is because Arabic is designed to be written by hand, and not printed. The shape of individual "letters" depends on the preceding and following "letters", much like English cursive, except even worse.
Re:Reading way to far into buts of propaganda (Score:4, Interesting)
That's what the early Arabic fonts did, but those who know Arabic well (I don't) tell me it didn't look good. And that's the Naskh style, which Arabic and many other languages that use Perso-Arabic script use. There's also the Nasta'liq style, which is still more calligraphic, and much harder to encode as a font. Urdu and Punjabi use Nasta'liq, and maybe others as well. (Persian used to.) Indeed, it wasn't long ago (a decade?) that some Urdu newspapers were written out by calligraphers before being printed by photo-offset. (I hope I have my terms right...)
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Or, maybe native Arabic speakers just prefer to read in French?
This is one of the points made in the cited Economist article. Books written in Arabic mostly use a formal and archaic version of the language, that is so different from the informal vernacular that it is almost like a foreign language. Many parents do indeed think that their children's time is better spent learning French (in Lebanon, Algeria and Morocco) or English (everywhere else).
As fewer people learn formal Arabic, fewer Arabic books are published, which reduces the incentive to learn to read it eve
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This is a solved problem. Unicode defines 5 code points for each Arabic letter, one for each specific form (initial, medial, final, isolated) and one general form. Software that supports Arabic takes the general form as input, and uses a simple algorithm to determine which of the 4 specific forms has to be used depending on where in a word the letter occurs.
Lots of software supports Arabic (I've used Word and InDesign to create cursive Arabic and Farsi).
One comment I got from Arabic translators is that the
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(Also, I'm surprised no one's mentioned it, but Hillary's "Arrow-H" logo works perfectly for an "I'm with Stupid" t-shirt.)
Is that your public opinion, or your private opinion? *ducks*
OCR (Score:3)
Jesus... (Score:3)
... Font Nazi...
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If you bothered to read TFA you would see that the author makes a valid, if slightly obvious point. Certain fonts have become associated with certain ideas. Blackletter is associated with Nazism and the alt-right, because Nazis make extensive use of it as a kind of shorthand. Rather than put an actual swastika on the front of your magazine or web site, which might well get it booted or make it not safe to read in public, just use that font. If anyone questions it, berate them for claiming that a font is a h
Offended by fonts now? (Score:5, Insightful)
This article is just trashy, nothing to see here. So, everything with an old English/German font means "Nazi" now, does it? It couldn't possibly just reflect medieval culture, or Frankenstein, or Dracula, or harken back to any number of other things more mundane in the past several hundred years. Nope, it's Hitler. I guess, if you're really that shallow.
But nothing is more telling of the actual SJ undercurrent and intent of this article than these last few paragraphs, strangely comparing Clinton's and Trump's campaign logos:
I guess even fonts offend these people now. They're losing their minds.
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#MFGA
Re:Offended by fonts now? (Score:4, Informative)
We take it for granted that we can type any word with a keyboard, but really, you should check your anglophone privilege.
Never mind the inconsistent voice and poor writing overall...
Re:Offended by fonts now? (Score:4, Informative)
And never mind it's mostly not even about fonts, but rather different language scripts. The vast majority of the article compares German blackletter (not so much English blackletter), Arabic, Cyrillic, Croatian, etc.
Yes, Arabic looks quite different from Germanic Fraktur and Russian Cyrillic. And...??
Different fonts (a.k.a. "typefaces" for the older crowd) are about things like x-height and whether you use serifs and proportional vs. monospace and descenders/ascenders and use of text vs. display weights. TFA doesn't seem concerned with most of that at all, instead focusing on completely different letterforms in different languages, which isn't really a font issue as much as a linguistic one. The only real typeface issues that are brought up at the end of the article contrast the bizarre abstract Hillary logo with the simple script used for "Make America Great Again!" for Trump hats. Except again -- that's really not much of a "font" issue (though yes, a font was chosen for each) as a complex typographical design difference. One is creating a weird logo vaguely based on a letterform; the other is an actual sentence that needs to be typeset in a recognizable script.
Broadly speaking, the article is somewhat about typography. But it isn't really about fonts, so I'm not sure what they're in the title at all.
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The issue can be framed differently: I Can Text You A Pile of Poo, But I Can't Write My Name [modelviewculture.com]
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Which is ironic because that the "nazi" blackletter font predates nazis by several centuries and used to be the standard German font before Hitler made a law that all official correspondence had to be written in standard Latin script, not blackletter.
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It's not just no longer "news for nerds" it's not even fucking news at all. Just leftist blathering. Conquest's second law strikes again.
Immune (Score:3)
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I have a 'wooden eye', you can have five different fonts on a page and I wont notice it, unless it is wingdings...
Five? I pity you.
Or hey, maybe you're lucky, because bad typography seems to be the rule these days.
Hack (Score:2, Interesting)
My favorite font: Hack [github.com]
are we still doing fonts then? (Score:4, Funny)
I thought the world was moving to the use of emojis for all communication.
Fraktur is a terrible typeface (Score:3)
Anyone who has read any historical Nazi-era documents will tell you that Fraktur, the Nazi's favorite Blackletter (gothic) typeface, is headache-inducing. Fraktur is ugly. All of those embellishments make it a struggle to differentiate between letters – kind of the opposite of what written text is supposed to do.
Oh, and Arial is a terrible font.
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Arial was great for low-dpi monitors back in the day. It also looked OK on a very low DPI printer. Helvetica needs the ability of the display/page to express some subtlety to come into its own.
It's not always the font, but sometimes it is (Score:2)
It's not always the font - it's frequently the historical baggage that goes with it, as demonstrated by his early examples of typography associated with Nazi Germany.
Sometimes it is the font. "Sharp, pointy" fonts like some of the Nazi-era examples he used may convey sharpness, strong boundaries, or even authority in many readers. A simple font that looks like a child's less-than-perfect crayon manuscript will likely remind people of children and all of the emotions that come with that.
It's not just fonts
a little interesting content (Score:2)
This just in! (Score:2)
Chiropractors think all your ails are due to spinal problems, journalists think everyone uses Apple products, and graphic designers think which font used is very important.
Does not matter (Score:3)
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This is what I call the "85-85" problem. For some reason, in the early 2Ks or so, it became a meme for blogs to display body text as 85% size 85% gray, and often on a non-white background. When I pick the text size in my web browser, that's because that's the size I want to read it at, not 85% of it. Contrast also matters for readability, and I don't want to read gray-on-gray text.
Even worse is when someone wants to be edgy with inverse text. I want my background lighter than the text because when reading
I block all fonts (Score:2)
Using AdBlock I (try to) block all the fonts (*.woff) — except "awesome" and similar "fonts", which are, in fact, icons... The browser falls back to some local substitute or another, which is just fine with me — and makes the world a slightly better place by reducing the network traffic and memory usage on my desktop.
Maybe, more people should do the same — thus hinting to the webmasters to concentrate on content more than the presentation...
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Brick Heck, Copperplate Gothic! (Score:2)
http://www.hometown-pages.com/... [hometown-pages.com]
Brick Heck, the youngest child on ABC’s “The Middle,” isn’t someone most kids would want to emulate. He’s socially inept, has several odd behavioral traits and makes the library his favorite destination.
Since I’m far removed from childhood — gaining a little wisdom along the way — and past the social anxiety of trying to fit in, I’m rooting for him. I realize he is just a fictional character, but popular culture does infl
Flash Back from 1986... (Score:2)
Is this article perhaps an accidental repost from 1986? Doomers have been writing this sort of nonsense article for decades.
Font Fascists (Score:2)
No, they'll be telling us all what fonts to use lest we be considered racist.
Fraktur and Nazis (Score:2)
Oh horsefeathers..... (Score:2)
His ample visual samples are blackletter, Arabic, and Cyrillic, and 2 of those aren't fonts, they're alphabets. And Hillary's logo vs. Donald's hat. I know people who spend hours agonizing over
Tahoma (Score:2)
I always use Tahoma on my computers.
Blackletter in Gang Tats (Score:2, Interesting)
You see a lot of Blackletter neo-Gothic ... in Gang Tattoos. Most people associate the Blackletter fonts (though they don't know the name) with Latino Gangs like MS-13, Mexican Mafia, and the like from the pictures of tattooed criminal defendants in the media or the various gang members it is simply impossible not to meet in daily life in Southern California with heavy, heavy Blackletter tats.
Indeed Blackletter tats like the ones pictured here:'
http://latinoprisongangs.blogspot.com/2010/04/mexicanhispanic-g
Make your mind up. (Score:2)
or
So the Nazis banned their official typeface? No wonder they lost the war....
If you haven't read the TFA: These two statements aren't even a paragraph apart!
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your != you're
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I don't know. What if you couldn't read a sign or a label and drove off a cliff or poisoned yourself?
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You don't have to be blind to be unable to read a sign. There are poisons which are odourless and tasteless.
Any other bits of your ignorance I can chisel away at while I'm here?
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a slick logo befitting a Fortune 100 company
...like Goldman Sachs?
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I think he encapsulated what a lot of people *didn't* like about Clinton -- slick, and the apparent product of a Fortune 100 company. Perhaps it's exactly part of what worked *against* Hillary, appearing too slick, too corporate, too produced and artificial.
I don't know what to say about Trump's "logo" other than it was just a generic slogan, but maybe that said "genuine" to some people.
Re:Busted (Score:4, Interesting)
I don't know what to say about Trump's "logo" other than it was just a generic slogan, but maybe that said "genuine" to some people.
I liked Trump's slogan because it actually told you to do something. It immediately involves the listener in the process. You can respond by agreeing ("I would like to help Make America Great Again"), or by disagreeing ("I don't want to make America great again") or by rejecting the premise ("America already is/never was great"). But it contained a call to action that forces one to engage. Compare this to other slogans:
Clinton: "I'm With Her." There's no direct call to action there. There's no goal. There's no evaluation of the current situation or a possible future. It's empty.
Jill Stein: "It's in our hands." No shit. There's nothing to really disagree with there, but also nothing for you to do. There is no engagement.
Marco Rubio: "A New American Century." What the fuck does that mean, Marco? What am I supposed to do with the new American century?
Ted Cruz: "Reigniting the Promise of America." Well that sounds nice, but there's nothing to engage me or call me to action. Also it's passive. The "promise of America" sounds like asking what my country can do for me, not what I can do for my country.
Carly Fiorina: "New Possibilities. Real Leadership." Now that's generic and meaningless.
Jeb Bush: "Jeb!" Man, fuck you Jeb. Low energy.
So, I'd say Trump's slogan was far less generic than anybody else's, and at least it said something, and required the listener to evaluate the call to action and accept or reject it.
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"I'm with Her" struck me as having something of a feminist conceit to it, as if you were a Hillary supporter just because she was a woman and not because of her ideas.
Re:Busted (Score:4, Interesting)
It was supposed to represent "moving forward". The irony of it pointing to the right wasn't lost on Bernie supporters. It also looked like a house that fell over between the Twin Towers.
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Does it also bother Bernie supporters that western languages are written from left to right? Or that non-Brits drive on the right side of the road? Or that ~90% of humans are right-handed? Or that many people say "right" in lieu of "correct"?
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"Correct" has a cognate of "right" as it's root. They both imply value judgements, be they alethic (the right thing to believe, i.e. truth) or deontic (the right thing to do, i.e. good). And FWIW, both of those kinds of judgement can be either "black & white" or "shades of grey".
("Right" as in the direction comes from that same root too; your "right hand" is literally your "good hand". All of them come from an even older sense still found in "right angle", a sense meaning "straight", which in turn also
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It was supposed to represent "moving forward".
I thought it was based on the FedEx logo, where the hidden arrow is the key element. And thus signalling "we're rip-offs".
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The original had a red arrow piercing the "H."
Red = Republican, no?
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I noticed a lot of "parodies" of Trump's hat around. And almost exclusively from people that would not be admirers. When I saw this "MAKE AMERICA RAGE AGAIN [rockandrolltshirts.com]" cap, pretty much straightforward and unironic in its copying, I thought Trump's messaging might be on point.
There was even a girl attacked [dailycaller.com] because her "make bitcoin great again" cap was apparently mistaken for the real deal.
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I thought it was interesting the author didn't mention the similarity to the Obama logo. Hillary's logo had a strong family resemblance to that.
If you go back for the past few presidential elections, campaign logos take standard form: the presidential and vp candidate's names decorated with graphical elements borrowed from the flag. Obama's campaign logo was designed by a an actual branding company, and they chose to turn his initial into a kind of brand mark. Hillary copied this, and it had to be consci
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