At Google, an Employee-Run Email List Tracks Harassment and Bias Complaints (bloomberg.com) 90
A group of Google employees have begun a message board for employees to submit worker complaints that's then emailed weekly as a digest, according to a report on Bloomberg. The email list -- called "Yes, at Google" -- has been around since October and allows employees to talk openly about work situations in which they felt uncomfortable; most submissions are anonymized. From the article: Google management is aware of the list. "We work really hard to promote and preserve a culture of respect and inclusion," a Google spokesperson said in a statement. "Our employees have numerous ways to raise issues -- both negative and positive -- with us, including through grassroots transparency efforts like this one. We take concerns seriously and take appropriate measures to address them." The list is run by a group of workers across different product areas, according to a person familiar with the list, though it's not clear who runs the list and how or whether the submissions are vetted before being distributed. Usually, the people in the complaints are not named, though one submission described an instance when, during a large company meeting in late April, Alphabet Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt allegedly interrupted Chief Financial Officer Ruth Porat when she had a question addressed to her, which the post categorized as a "gender-related" complaint. A person who attended the meeting said Schmidt answered the question to make a joke. Messages sometimes include job titles and other details.
I reported my rape and got fired (Score:1)
This is a trap, they just want to fire people that try to report rape.
Re:I reported my rape and got fired (Score:5, Interesting)
I would guess that MOST of the complaints are of the "Seriously?" type as listed in the article:
I mean really....there *are* real instances of harassment out there, but you have so many people seeing and reporting crap that just isn't worth it and not a real problem and it muddies the water for seeing the few *real* incidents that happen out there, are serious and need to be addressed.
Is this the snowflakes entering the real world, finding out everyone doesn't get a trophy, doesn't have to give a shit about their 'self esteem', only expecting you to get your job done and do what your told and on time.....and seeing and reporting crap that no one in past generations saw as a problem but just the way life is....?
Re:I reported my rape and got fired (Score:4, Interesting)
If being interrupted by the opposite sex is a "gender-related" thing by now then I should top the charts of oppression and my wife has a lot of 'splainin to do.
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Studies have shown [forbes.com] that men interrupt women more than vice versa. So it is a real thing.
Well, duh. The men make a point and then stop talking, so they do not need to be interrupted.
Re:I reported my rape and got fired (Score:4, Insightful)
No amount of shaming men to try to make them more like women is going to change that
Not true. I first heard of the interruption difference years ago when I read this book [amazon.com]. Once I was attuned to it, I noticed it happening in meetings, and I noticed that I did it myself. So I try to interrupt less, and if someone else interrupts a woman during a meeting, I often later ask her to finish her point. So at least in my case, it made a difference.
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Re:I reported my rape and got fired (Score:4, Insightful)
This. It's not about shaming as some people seem to think, it's about awareness.
Stop taking it personally. When I see a sign saying "don't drop litter", I don't feel the need to scrawl "not all people!" or "fuck you litter nazi" under it.
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How much do men interrupt men?
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If being interrupted by the opposite sex is a "gender-related" thing by now then I should top the charts of oppression and my wife has a lot of 'splainin to do.
The problem wasn't the interruption so much as the context. Porat was asked a question that was about a gender-related complaint and Schmidt apparently stopped the complaint from being discussed and turned it into a joke. Depending on the nature of the complaint, that could be really hurtful to the person who'd screwed up their courage enough to ask such a question in front of the whole company (I'm assuming the "large company meeeting" was the weekly whole-company TGIF).
Note that although I work for Goog
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Porat was asked a question that was about a gender-related complaint and Schmidt apparently stopped the complaint from being discussed
Yeah, I mean Gods forbid Eric Schmidt the goddamned chairman of the fucking board have the temerity to open his mouth to lead the discussion when an exalted womyn is dropping her pearls of wisdom before the ungrateful swine.
I mean...the nerve.
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Porat was asked a question that was about a gender-related complaint and Schmidt apparently stopped the complaint from being discussed
Yeah, I mean Gods forbid Eric Schmidt the goddamned chairman of the fucking board have the temerity to open his mouth to lead the discussion when an exalted womyn is dropping her pearls of wisdom before the ungrateful swine.
I mean...the nerve.
Yeah, how dare she expect that she should feel comfortable at work.
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Yeah, how dare she expect that she should feel comfortable at work.
Nice strawman. At no point did I comment on whether someone should feel or not feel "comfortable" at work. But have fun arguing with the boogeyman in your head as I'm sure that's a lot more, um, comfortable than any pathetic attempts you could make at refuting what I actually say.
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Of course they know the joke incident was nothing, this is not what it's about. This list is essentially a back channel for the usual grievance mongers to organize themselves and exert pressure on management.
The "document everything" mentality has the dual purpose of legitimizing the list existing and to provide a shit ton of ammunition when they don't get their way. Most of the accused will be completely unable to defend themselves as they will have no recollection of some offhand comment made in an inform
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I hope every one of them is caught and hung at the nearest lamp post. Gimme the rope.
Be careful what you wish for. Harsh punishments for rape are correlated with very high acquittal rates and a cultural of impunity. Society's "ideal" of rape is a pure innocent blonde virgin minding her own business when some total stranger grabs her and drags her into the bushes. Very few real rapes are anything like that, but the more the actual situation diverges from the "ideal", the less likely the women is to be believed or even take seriously. Very few juries are likely to put a seemingly nice guy
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Very few juries are likely to put a seemingly nice guy in prison for 20 years because of a "he-said-she-said" accusation of date rape.
You want people to be put away on the basis of unsubstantiated accusation alone? If there's evidence it's not "he-said-she-said", after all.
gender-related (Score:1)
>gender-related
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And? (Score:2)
ref: B.A ... R.B.A. (obscure references, it was the mid/late 90's)
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I'm not really into comic books, can you explain the relation to DC comics?
Comic book sales waaaay down recently [google.com].
And it corresponds directly to the SJW takeover of comics. [google.com]
"B-b-b-but that ain't why!" scream the SJWs.
Which must be why Stan Lee and Marvel Comics have told the SJWs to pound sand. [theralphretort.com]
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Which must be why Stan Lee and Marvel Comics have told the SJWs to pound sand.
That's why Thor is now a woman and Iron MAN is now a black woman.
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Iron Man had been played by a black guy (James Rhodes) in the comics back in the 1980s because Stark was a drunk.
Thor is transformed by the hammer into the god form. You have to be worthy, but you don't need to be white. Or even human (see Beta Ray Bill, once again 1980s).
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tl;dr I should have used sarcasm tags. I forget this place is like the big city. I'm more used to the red site now which is like a small town where everybody knows everybody else. And now the part that's too long:
Well, I did miss the MWMF closing down at first I admit, being (basically) a trans woman (with complications thanks to TERFs [wikipedia.org]) who would point to MWMF as proof that all feminism is trans-exclusionary but not giving enough of a shit to actually join Camp Trans (learned about that from a trans woma
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The way you're treated my TERFs is the way all men are treated by feminists. It's a hate movement.
Need for Group is Google's Failure (Score:2)
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Exactly this. Why does Google spend so much money on hiring and keeping their employees on board, and then completely bone stuff like this?
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The failure is in letting a bunch of whiny little bitches work for them in the first place.
"Allegations" (Score:4, Insightful)
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Wait, what? (Score:2)
> ...the men's restrooms in the San Francisco offices have menstruation products to accommodate men who have periods.
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Just build the stalls and make it coed. If the employees don't like it, then quit.
P.S. - I recommend hi