Bill Simmons Says ESPN Blew It By Not Embracing Tech (cnbc.com) 120
An anonymous reader shares an article: ESPN's problem isn't competition over content: They didn't position themselves for a future where cord cutting was a reality, according to former ESPN personality Bill Simmons. "They didn't see a lot of this coming," said Simmons. "They didn't see cord cutting coming. They weren't ready for it. A lot of decisions were made based on subs staying at a certain level. They had to realize they were a technology company. The ones winning are now Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Hulu. ESPN should have been in that mix, but they're in Bristol. They should have had a place in Silicon Valley. That was their biggest mistake." ESPN is far from over, Simmons points out. Though it may make less money in the future, it has such strong cable deals, he said. "Everybody in here was paying $7 for ESPN whether they watched or not," he said. Simmons left ESPN in May 2015 after a public breakup, and signed a deal for an HBO series called "Any Given Wednesday" shortly after. The HBO show was cancelled in November 2016. Simmons also launched a new website called The Ringer in 2016. Also read Bloomberg's profile of executives at the company: ESPN Has Seen the Future of TV and They're Not Really Into It.
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ESPN?
What's that?
ESPN blew it when they went aggressively progressive in their commentary and corporate statements. Sure, it made both ESPN subscribers in SF very happy, but the first post is typical of lefty big city dwellers.
ESPN's audience 2 years ago was something like 65-35 conservative (including a lot of folks who kept cable just to keep ESPN). Well, they certainly got rid of that "deplorable" majority of their subscribers, didn't they? Perhaps focusing entirely on pleasing the crowd you have cocktail parties with
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Kudos to your brass balls.
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Simmons is also the kind of unmitigated retard who thinks putting a building in a location makes all the difference. Seriously, ESPN failed because it didn't have an office in SV? You don't need an office in SV; you need a business strategy.
Next, Simmons will try to become a billionaire by moving across the street from Warren Buffet.
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Nice trick, turn one of his points into his main point, and then make fun of him him for it.
Then again, speaking as someone who's run a business for 12 years, location, sadly, is quite important. He might be on to something here.
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Location is important when your primary market is affected by location. Got a store? Needs to be accessible.
As a content distributor, you have viewers. Your business partners include rebroadcasters (clients) and producers (vendors). Viewers are all over the place and expect you to get content to them; clients and vendors are generally going to expect you to come to them. Your other clients--the advertisers--will mostly call you to bid for a spot, then Fedex you the film (or transfer it via FTP nowad
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I didn't say anything about hard work or innovation; I said your market isn't people walking through your doors if you're not Best Buy.
Here's a hint: those examples weren't made-up. Some of the largest American game studios are in retarded places like Baltimore (Firaxis), Santa Clarita (WayForward), or Austin, TX (home of Retro Studios, owned by Nintendo). The biggest broadcaster in America is in Baltimore; it was built from a one-station operation in Baltimore.
Many of these places are in population
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I'm a business nerd and an economics nerd. They're two vastly-different things.
You're trying to scream "LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION!!" as if you don't actually understand business. Maybe if you were a business nerd you would understand anything I said; instead you're just going, "Lulz, I put a shop where people walk, and they walk in! LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION!"
Self-employed people with toy companies who think they're "a business" are the worst.
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Sorry, I was addressing the pedantic nerd, not the other two. Better luck next time!
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Fair enough. You're still wrong and you still haven't demonstrated how you're not wrong other than going "DUHRR NUH UH U DUM". You seem to be blowing hot air out your ass.
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Your entire opening rebuttal was that location matters so very, very much.
speaking as someone who's run a business for 12 years, location, sadly, is quite important. He might be on to something here.
It's been an argument back and forth about location not being important if your office location isn't your major interaction point with, you know, damned near everyone. Moving the goalposts now that you lost?
Took you all weekend for this shitnugget?
No, I studied German, wrote a (very poorly-written) speech, and fed kittens during the weekend. Slashdot is a 9-5 site; nobody checks this shit from home.
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Ah I see your problem. You turned 'he might be onto something here' into an assault on your business nerdery. Put your dick away already.
Moving the goalposts now that you lost?
Says the guy who's twice avoided accusations of using strawman arguments. Good one.
It's why I stopped watching ESPN (Score:3)
There are enough venues for progressive (and conservative, for that matter, even though its not a factor in this instance) media to promote their agenda. I just want the ball-game score and the highlights. I don't want social commentary.
It's a reason that's been discussed on other forums. Pointing it out, even if orthogonal to the original article is still informative, because if it is true and the ESPN honchos continue to ignore it based on their internal echo-chamber idea of what they did wrong, they migh
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Oh god shut the fuck up retard. I can;t wait until we have you peasants back to running plows through fields of your own shit.
Treating deplorables fairly has turned out to be a huge disaster luckily you all seem happy to embrace feudalism.
How nice to see a congressman posting on Slashdot. It's always humorous when the mask slips.
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Pandering to people who don't have money is retarded when you want green money and not votes. People voted for trump because he lied and told them he could get them a job.
Why would anyone care about a group of people who don't have any money to spend and probably never will?
One might well imagine that ESPN would care about the money flowing in from actual subscribers, but the evidence clearly shows they didn't. Odd business plan, that.
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One might well imagine that ESPN would care about the money flowing in from actual subscribers, but the evidence clearly shows they didn't. Odd business plan, that.
The sitution as usual, doesn't have one single cause. And people with an axe to grind will always find a wy to make it about their cause.
This was fairly simple. It cost people a lot of money to have ESPN on their cable Almost all had to pay, even if they didn't ever watch ESPN. Cord Cutting cost them a lot of customers.
Then there was the content. ESPN on television wasn't all that great to watch. Poker is not a spectator sport.
They opened a Southeast Conference specific channel. This makes no sense, e
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No, I don't think that's accurate. ESPN just had a large number of layoffs again, and have actually started using programs from MLB Network to cut costs. ESPN's problem is paying massive fees for rights to broadcast certain things when it just didn't make sense.
Longhorn Network is a great example of this, betting on interest in a network primarily for University of Texas sports while showing games from a few smaller schools in the state. They've paid huge rights fees for the rights to college football an
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From Salon.com
Longtime ESPN anchor Linda Cohn argued that her network’s alleged liberal bent scared off some of its viewers and subscribers, leading to this week’s “bloodbath” in Bristol.
During a radio interview on 77 WABC Thursday, Cohn addressed the mass layoffs at her network, which saw over 100 on-air talent get the pink slip this week — including a former co-anchor of Cohn’s. The sportscaster candidly blamed the firings on “bad decision making” by ESPN ex
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From ESPN.com
http://www.espn.com/blog/ombud... [espn.com]
Jim Brady, Public Editor Dec 1, 2016
The 2016 presidential election season has been one most of us will never forget. The tone has been ugly, the controversies endless, the coverage unrelenting. Our social media feeds are full of politically charged statements, and what dialogue does exist between differing sides more often resembles a WWE match than nuanced debate.
Thankfully, I get to write about ESPN, where the focus on sports means I never have to deal with po
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We watch sports to get a break from politics, not to get more politics shoved down the throat. Would be great if people across the political spectrum could enjoy it together.
But they don't get it, not even WSJ seems to understand why people don't want to mix the two.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/t... [wsj.com]
ESPN became a cable-television giant by offering wall-to-wall sports, so naturally the channel has increasingly chosen to offer political commentary. In a remarkable coincidence, its viewership has been declining
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>We watch sports to get a break from politics
Suit yourself. I shoot zombies. If the zombies were playing American football, I might be encourages to aim better.
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I was asking about concrete examples of what makes a sports TV channel "progressive" or not.
Some of their announcers and some athletes made it clear they didn't like Trump. Some were women. Dunno if tou consider that concrete or not.
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In the commentary (ESPN has a lot of talking heads discussion shows). In firing commentators who say something that can be twisted to offend someone if you try hard enough. By making a corporate statement about shit like the NC bathroom bill, or the BLM-affirming stuff some NFL team did, like not standing for the national anthem.
There's just no reason for a sports channel to take a political stance of any kind, to take any position on such issues, or to indulge in social commentary in sports discussion sh
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Which they did because they think it's bad for business. Shockingly, they've been joined in this statement by many other large corporations.
BLM-affirming stuff some NFL team did
ie, not ESPN.
So, to recap: one mild corporate statement, and ESPN is now irredeemably "progressive", and further, that is the reason for their demise, not because (like many a fat corp before them), failing to anticipate that their rent-seeking strategy
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What does an NFL player have to do with ESPN?
I'm still confused as to what ESPN did to be "aggressively progressive". Were they not supposed to report on NCAA's actions? Were they not supposed to report on the whole not standing during the national anthem thing? Does just reporting facts make an organiza
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I guess you'd have to watch the commentary shows, then, to understand (there's a real difference between "commenting on" and "endorsing a side"). Not that I recommend it - your curiosity is better unsatisfied on this point.
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I don't like them because I want to watch sports, all kinds of sports, not just basketball, baseball, and football.
Instead of whining about it, I voted with my wallet.
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Sports in general has gotten too political. [youtube.com] The entire point of watching sports is to escape all the shitty stuff in real life.
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TV and movies too. We rarely get entertaining stories anymore. Mostly just agendas and/or the director's personal issues, patched together with some CGI.
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I was talking with my wife about this and I said in the last year (or whatever) my favorite TV show or movie had been Stranger Things. The show was nothing special, no fantastic plot or Terrible Secret of Space I hadn't seen before, and the acting was solid but not phenomenal. But it was a story, with a beginning, a middle, and an end, and characters with motivations that made sense. And no political commentary, it wasn't trying to teach me a story about racism in a small town or female empowerment, and no associated political controversy. It was just a coherent story about some people and some weird shit and that was enough to make it best of the year. And that's sad.
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I guess you haven't heard. Season 2 will reveal that Gaia has finally snapped, and is punishing humanity for polluting the earth. The kids will join up with Captain Planet and the Planeteers to save the world from the eco-villains and restore Gaia to loving benevolence.
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There you go, Hollywood. I just gave you some ideas for a Captain Planet remake movie.
Oh dear. This might actually be happening. [hollywoodreporter.com]
One thing intriguing to Paramount and Appian Way was the subversive take by Matt and Powell on the material: Sources say the story takes place years after the adventures of the show, with the Captain now a washed-up has-been who needs the kids more than they need him.
Wow. You try to parody Hollywood, and they just outdo you.
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Yeah, I liked that one. It's a shame it got so overhyped though. Not sure I would have appreciated it as much, had I watched it after all of the buzz. But I guess all of that buzz underscores what you were saying.
The only other show that I've been impressed with lately has been Better Call Saul. It may not be as fast moving as its predecessor (perhaps a disappointment for some), but the story draws you in, there's no agenda and I'm not frustrated with how stupid all of the characters are. The characters are
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That's why I watch porn. I get to see someone else getting fucked for a change.
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ESPN was a primary contributor to cord-cutting (Score:4, Informative)
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I only watch ESPN really during college football season.
I cut the cord with cable TV and now I pay $35/mo for Playstation VUE. I get like all 3 ESPN's plus a dedicated SEC channel, all my various cable news channels, etc....everything I watched on UVerse...and dropped from $118/mo to $35/mo.
I don't count my internet in that equation, as that I have a business connection for $69/mo...I'd have that for work regardless of my TV needs.
But with VUE a
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Well, the customer does have a say in it, in that they discontinue subscribing to traditional pay-TV. They cut the cord.
ESPN's foolishness was expecting the forced gravy-train to run forever, especially in the face of ever-growing costs to the consumer for subscription combined with other means of accessing content generally. Why should a customer pay close to a C-note a month for only a few networks that they actually want to watch? Why should a customer pay lots of money to access old reruns from broad
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Well, the customer does have a say in it, in that they discontinue subscribing to traditional pay-TV. They cut the cord.
I'm pretty sure that was exactly JoeyRox's point.
It was certainly part of the reason we dumped that cable tier - we were spending roughly $65/month just for the privilege of watching the local baseball team and, occasionally, Food Network or Cartoon Network. I hadn't watched ESPN in years - I used to love the channel back in the 80s and 90s, but they've mostly stopped broadcasting actual games and have moved to the "talking jock head commentary show" format.
ESPN isn't the only sports network which doesn't u
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Yep, this tax was the primary reason I discontinued my Dish Network. I already had Netflix, threw in Hulu, Pandora and Prime into the mix (and now youtube red), and I still pay less than I did back then. I have more to watch than I can ever get to.
The only thing I was disappointed to give up (back then) were the news channels, and now you couldn't pay me to watch that miserable nonsense.
Who cares? (Score:2)
ESPN Has Seen the Future of TV and They're Not Really Into It.
Then fade away into the scrapheap of tech history along with cable. No one is going to miss you, no one owes you a living. There's a whole generation coming up that's never even heard of you.
Funny how cable seems to see itself as so much more self-important than it really is.
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Now I want internet service without cable tv.
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What an astute observation. I can see you've had some college.
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Funny how cable seems to see itself as so much more self-important than it really is.
The cable companies spent a lot of time and a lot of money manipulating both local and national politicians into giving them de-facto local monopolies across the US... then the world completely changed underneath their feet. They're still in shock / denial.
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I also remember TV series doing 26 episodes a season... and an hour TV show lasting 50 minutes, now down to 44 minutes. A lot commercial skipping eh?
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I also remember TV series doing 26 episodes a season... and an hour TV show lasting 50 minutes, now down to 44 minutes. A lot commercial skipping eh?
Damn, you're old! So am I. :)
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AARP is proposing a study of the environmental impact of young people's feet upon lawns.
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I think you're right.... AND the tv networks do a litle picture in a picture showing the closing credits of one episode and the opening of the next. By overlapping those two incoming / outgoing programs, they get to sell an extra 45 seconds of commercials. I swear this is just like the saying "the beatings will continue until morale improves". We don't like commercials and skip them in DVR.... and they scheme how to play more commercials.
Trickle down budget crises. (Score:2)
I'm more interested in the long term affects of how this is going to trickle down into affecting higher "education" budgets.
Back in the day people flocked to football games because it was seemingly the only thing to do. They graduated and continued watching their home team. Now there are multiple different events that students can participate in and follow. I had friends that skipped Homecoming to go to the LoL championships.
I think that NCAA Football and the NFL is in for a rude awakening as their profits
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Half of them were women. Turns out gaming's changed a bit in the last few decades.
The key quote in the summary... (Score:5, Insightful)
And that's precisely why I will never, ever watch ESPN, nor any sport it signs a deal with -- even if they subsequently leave ESPN. I've lived in the USA for a bit over 18 years now, and paid for cable or satellite TV for all of that time. Let's assume that $7 figure applies for the whole of that time, and does so in 2017 dollars (so in then-dollars it was some much lower sum). I think that's a pretty safe assumption, and it says I've personally paid US$6,700+ into the pockets of ESPN and its affiliated sports, yet I've watched maybe between five and ten minutes of ESPN in the last couple of decades. At around US$900/minute, that's hands-down the most expensive entertainment of my life.
And it's also why I will never renew my cable or satellite TV subscription until a la carte is a thing. Nor will I sign up for any online service which doesn't either offer a la carte options, or which focuses solely on programming *I* am interested in. The likes of YouTube TV et al. which simply carry over these awful deals into the internet age hold no interest for me.
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Ahhh yes, when business forgets it's core. (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's see.... MTV used to play music videos, then got into reality tv. The weather channel used to have a person standing in front of a radar map, not you have to watch 10 minutes of "storm stories" to get your local weather. And ESPN forgot it was a sports network. In another industry, McDonalds seems to have forgotten it's core customer as well.... people wanting FAST food. If we wanted GOOD food, we wouldn't be here. Long gone are the days of walking into McD's and seeing what was on the line and getting that and getting out. They prefer just in time production model which makes we wait for a cheese burger behind the person who wanted a cheese burger w/o cheese and extra mustard. Like so many maturing companies, they have lost their direction.
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Things change (Score:2)
There's been a lot of changes
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Let's see.... MTV used to play music videos, then got into reality tv.
Thing is, in this example and probably the most, that their change ends up making them more money. Reality TV had less costs and brought in more viewers and money for MTV than playing music videos even if they were a juggernaut in the music industry. In many cases, providing easily digestible media content to the general population pays better than their core business of niche media.
If ESPN went OTT then systems can move it sports (Score:2)
If ESPN went OTT then all systems then get the right to move it to sports packs / hbo like pack / drop it on the spot. If they lose being forced into basic then they will lose subs big time.
Blew it like... (Score:3)
ESPN blew it because of reliance on bundling (Score:5, Insightful)
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The forced bundling made ESPN complacent about costs, and now ESPN is the most expensive cable channel, by a long shot. Many people no longer want to pay for ESPN. Talk about killing the goose that lays the golden eggs... that is ESPN's problem. Pure business greed,.
Didn't embrace users (Score:1)
No, no, no. Nothing against Silicon Valley, but they don't need to be there. Nobody really does, except maybe some infrastructure people.
ESPN rejected tech because they were rejecting basic ideas like fairness and customers' desires. They were getting paid by non-users, so why should they think about the users? So they didn't. Their entire outlook on sales is to score bundling deals, to avoid the marke
Better to be content owner than delivery (Score:2)
Disney knows this. They've got a huge library of content, and love it when you consume it in different formats. They don't care if you buy it online, stream it, VHS, DVD, laser disc etc. Netflix and Amazon know this and adapted as demonstrated by their switch to original programming.
Notice how the VHS tape manufacturers are suffering or the companies that manufacture DVD discs? Technology changes and boom, nobody is buying VHS tapes any more.
BUT we're still watching disney films, and watching sports. E
Bloat, Bloat, Bloat. (Score:2)
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ESPN Blew It for Many Reasons (Score:2, Troll)
Not the least of which was injecting political commentary every chance they got. Oh, and you know, not really showing "all-sports, all the time" anymore. Their base tuned out, and here they are. No sympathy from me, and no amount of tech can save you when you essentially give the middle finger to your bread and butter.
No, they blew it by overpaying for stuff.. (Score:2)
Pay $7 (Score:1)
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Location doesn't matter (Score:2)
Bristol, Silicon Valley, whatever....it doesn't matter. Yes, ESPN messed up and there is still time to correct the ship because they still are the leader in US sports broadcasting. But location doesn't matter when you're setting up an online presence.
As ignorant as hillary with what happened. (Score:3)
For example and why the subject, ESPN was in the background at work and one of the show started to talk about hillarys speech from yesterday.
ESPN's troubles started 2-3 years ago (Score:1)