Microsoft Yanks Three Bad Patches Of Their Last Outlook Patch (computerworld.com) 78
An anonymous reader quotes ComputerWorld's Woody Leonhard:
I just received word from Gunter Born that Microsoft has pulled three of its Outlook patches... There's no specific recommendation that you uninstall the yanked patches -- indeed, there's no description of the problems caused by the latest round -- but earlier versions of the bad patches-of-patches had a nasty habit of crashing Outlook... Microsoft still hasn't fixed any of the Office 2007 bugs it introduced in the June security patches.
If you're keeping score at home, the yanked patches are:
If you're keeping score at home, the yanked patches are:
- KB 4011042 - July 5, 2017, update for Outlook 2010
- KB 3191849 - June 27, 2017, update for Outlook 2013
- KB 3213654 - June 30, 2017, update for Outlook 2016
One bad piece (Score:3)
Re:One bad piece (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah. For me, all indexing stopped at a certain point. I could search older stuff in Outlook, but not newer. It broke File Explorer searches too. I reported it to my IT on 6/30. They ignored it until Wed when the owners started having issues.
Then they said "We have a patch!". Then "Wait, we have another patch!". Then, "Ok, we have to clear your cache and *then* we have a patch!".
Indexing still broken.
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Attachments (Score:2)
Are any of these concerned with Outlook blocking attachments that have very long (alphanumeric) file names? I've seen that happening last week.
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Patches, I'm depending on you, son.
The testers have long since been axed (Score:1)
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But in my Microsoft bubble, patches can never break anything because they're only ever tested together, never separately!
The fact they're never tested at all has no impact on the veracity of the prior statement...
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Gnus!
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How is that unsupported?
Outlook 2016 for Mac - horrible lately (Score:3)
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Why do you post? Like... is anyone even going to read your dribble? Did you actually think people would react and care? Or did you actually think your post would contribute to the information for readers and help them make a choice in their lives? Did you think people would come to your house and high five you for your bravery?
The fact you posted anon, is pretty clear you knew you'd be received poorly. But even then, nobody is surprised or really cares that you talk out your butt. So... was our lack of care
Re: Outlook 2016 for Mac - horrible lately (Score:1)
Must be the USA or North Korea.
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...try again later.
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Excel has no real replacement
I've heard this before; I suspect it is for "power" users where LibreOffice lacks some of the really high-end stuff. I do want to put forward the idea, though, is that much of this "use" may be "abuse" --- pushing spreadsheets to do things that ought to be done another way that is less susceptible to error and easier to check and audit. Overly-complex spreadsheets are rather hard to error check.
Exchange has no real replacement if you are heavily into collaboration.
Someone else should respond here, but it seems there are many, many collaboration options out there.
The online cloud apps are pretty much a joke and in the case of google a bad joke.
Perhaps true f
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I agree that switching away from MS Office frequently involves death by a thousand paper cuts; alternative products to MS Office tend to assume that end users do things 'correctly', which they frequently do not. We have one client whose "CRM" system involves dragging Word documents into the 'Notes' field of contacts in Outlook. I all too regularly see entire documents embedded where they shouldn't be, but "technically work". Word unfortunately has had a long standing history of shifting things around at the
FAIL. (Score:2, Insightful)
Fail again M$
Re:FAIL. (Score:5, Insightful)
They modded you flamebait. But... is anyone who works to maintain MS products really upset by your comment? I do, and MS has been going downhill for the last decade.
It's a complete shit ecosystem. Microsoft is no longer a cohesive company. Every product doesn't work with every other product. Dynamics CRM doesn't easily integrate data with Dynamics NAV and will fail on anything except the simplest/emptiest starter companies. Windows 10 has high DPI support... too bad 99% of Microsoft apps don't actually support it. SQL browser ~2015 "works" until you open up a certain dialog and it turns into a super-shrunk, damaged, form element that's completely unusable. Edge browser came out... oh sorry, Edge isn't actually supported in Dynamics CRM. ... Because "Fuck you. That's why." So half of Microsoft tells my clients "Upgrade to Edge, IE is old news!" and the other half say, "Sorry, Edge isn't supported." Which causes tons of friction between IT and management who get new and pretty brochures telling them to upgrade, and then they find out they can't use Magical Widget X because of a MICROSOFT product.
Windows 10 is a bloated pile of shit. Go ahead, try and install it on a 5400 RPM laptop if you dare (with 6 GB of RAM and >2.5 GHZ processor) and it'll run like a pile of cow dung. It will literally spend HOURS doing nothing but running telemetry, superfetch, "application compatibility", and windows defender. Go to Task Manager, and watch your disk usage be 100% for hours. And disk queue length (the time it takes for a new disk request to be fetched because of the current backlog)? I've seen it hit over 26 SECONDS and I've even got screenshots to prove it. 26 seconds before you loading a file in NOTEPAD can even get a chance to load. The laptop is literally unusable without me manually disabling these services through group policy and registry hacks.
Except wait, every new Creators Update makes it harder to "fix" Windows 10. On a laptop that came out in 2013!
Meanwhile, my 2 GB RAM Celeron Chromebook running Linux is happily clinking away. It loads in less than 10 seconds. I can use zram to compress my tiny RAM into something usuable.
Meanwhile, we ported a client's FULL suite of Sage CRM data over to Dynamics CRM. Literally everything. Even e-mails were correctly saved from outlook and merged with corrected links, to Dynamics CRM. Except Dynamics CRM is such a piece of shit, they literally have bugs in their DATA IMPORT form that refuse to actually apply things like timestamps and creation date fields. There are NO docs that officially say it's broken. And the only fix involves hours of finding the problem, finding an obscure blogger who made a solution... except his solution is also malformed and you have to fix it. And oh yeah, all CRM changes have to go through their GIGANTIC CRM SDK that rivals DirectX in size.
Another two wonderful features of MS?
1) They've completely outsourced all of their support to India. Enjoy strange timezones, hard to understand accents, and a complete lack of actual experience to solve your problems. If you can't Google it, they don't know the answer. I've been on TWO separate support tickets with "Microsoft" the last two weeks and spent a literal three hour meeting--half of which was trying to get a bloody screeshare app to work for them.
2) Windows Updates that brick our machines. (OP post? What?) We're stuck with IE12 because of CRM's only support for IE. And so we have to modify the IE personal security settings slightly from default to keep things running smoothly. OH WAIT. Windows Updates we just found out have been WIPING OUR SECURITY SETTINGS. Because yeah, that's a reasonable idea. Wipe a business's custom security settings every two weeks when we apply Windows Updates.
My job should be developing solutions for my clients. Clients don't enjoy being billed for fixing Microsoft's broken shit. So thanks, MS, for making my life infinitely harder than it needs to be because your company is falling apart from the ins
Re:FAIL. (Score:4, Informative)
> Windows 10 has high DPI support... too bad 99% of Microsoft apps don't actually support it.
I would argue this. Windows 10 doesnt properly support High DPI. There are issues all over the place. Theres no consitency - even amongst its own windows 10 bundled programs. There's constant bugs and issues. Scaling going haywire. Remote desktop to other servers is a crap shoot. And hell, dont remote desktop to your own High DPI machine from a machine thats NOT high DPI - you'll most likely need a reboot of the high DPI machine to fix the issues caused there. Im still looking at windows explorer completely unscaled on a 4k monitor because I was silly enough to remote in from my laptop over the weekend.
We rolled out 4 4K monitors as a test. They were universally hated across the company because of windows. Im stuck with 2, and the Mac guy has 2. He's loving life!
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"Linux has plenty of problems but the difference is... they're actually reported and solvable." - Ayup - too bad that no manager I ever talked to give a flying fuck about whether problems are avoidable/solvable. They just drink more MS Cool Aid and believe every glossy paper.
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Why do I have to set active hours? And can only set a max of I believe 15 hours? Microsoft is allowed to tell me when I can and can't use my computer? That doesn't seem right as I bought the damn thing myself. It's not like they are just letting me borrow it, even if it really seems that way. I don't know why you're defending Microsoft's largest garbage project ever. It's like they hired a bunch of 22 ear olds fresh out of college that have never coded anything except "Hello World!"
Microsoft was just circling the drain (Score:2)
Now it's more like hanging onto two bars of the grating from underneath, desperate to avoid joining Windows 8.
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It's funnier if you read this as a sports headline (Score:1)
Apparently Microsoft is sponsoring some northeastern team called the Yanks that are going through a rough patch and have a bad outlook for the playoffs.
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"Piggers are going to go all the way this year!" -The Oatmeal
Outlook crashes even without the bad patches (Score:2)
2010 patch stopped saving of attachments (Score:2)
I don't know what the other patches broke; as I run only 2010/13
KB4011042 (Score:2)
Desperately waiting for an update to this fix. Users aren't able to send/receive certain attachments without it. I have the last patch (that MS pulled) and we're still installing it when needed. But I need a fix that will install via WSUS.
About time (Score:3)
AFAICT, the June patch(es) killed our ability to open PDFs or even links directly from Outlook.
Bit of a bitch going around manually uninstalling patch X to see if it helped (which seemed to only work about 40% of the time anyway).