Facebook's 21-Year-Old Wunderkind Leaves For Google (bloomberg.com) 106
An anonymous reader shares a report: Facebook hired Michael Sayman for an internship when he was 17 years old, and gave him a full-time engineering job at 18. Now, the wunderkind is leaving for Alphabet's Google. He turned 21 last week. At Facebook, Sayman was a product manager who helped the social-media giant understand how his generation uses their phones, advising on experimental products for teens and helping executives understand trends. At Google, he'll be a product manager for Assistant, a voice-based service built on the search engine's giant database.
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Not all whites are white supremacists. Not all muslims are ISIS supporters.
We have many whites who strongly condemn that actions of white supremacists, and many muslims who strongly condemn terrorist acts.
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Not all muslims are ISIS suppoerters
I'll be more ready to agree with you the next time I see the Muslim community marching in protest of Islamic terrorist attacks instead of cheering them on or staying silent.
Muslim community refuses to bury french priest killer [independent.co.uk].
It happens.
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3 decades of mc jobs (after being aged out of tech) unlikely as automation will kill them over the next 10-15 years. And to get that mc job you need to remove any thing higher then the AS and remove goolge and Facebook from your work history or the mc manger will view you as someone who will stop working there as soon as an better job opens up.
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"If he peaks at 35, he'll have 3 more decades of unfulfilling work. I'm aiming to peak at 55 so I can slide through my last decade."
He'll retire at 28, build his own rocket firm and build a space elevator.
Or he'll buy a yacht and fuck his brains out with supermodels.
He's not you..
Re:It'll be sad when he peaks (Score:4, Informative)
If he gets the money. A product manager isn't typically given tons of options and the salary isn't necessarily the greatest. It's near the bottom of the management pecking order, and isn't a people management job usually. However, the job normally requires some actual working experience.
I have a friend who started as an intern and grew into a management and then VP position in less than a decade, on the basis if being there in the early startup days and having more knowledge of what was going on than any of the newer hires. But the lack of experience was evident, in engineering and management. Still a very bright person, just promoted 10 to 20 years too soon.
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Who cares (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean really who the fucks cares.
He prolly the one making everything so shitty.
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oh ho ho, that part gets better.
Guess what he did while he was at facebook? [techcrunch.com]
An app that stops working once you turn 22. He turned 21 and his hand started blinking so he decided to run. (Oh, and the project was shut down).
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Facebook shuts down its Snapchat competitor Lifestage [techcrunch.com]
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He prolly the one making everything so shitty.
Don't worry, he won't singlehandedly make Google suck to the ends of the earth, he'll have loads of smart people to help out with that.
Re: Google doesn't need his help (Score:1)
Why would they hire a guy from Facebook? Need more help diving for the dirt?
Self promotion? (Score:5, Insightful)
Did he post this story to promote himself? First I have ever heard of him. Editors, can you get this shit off the front page?
Re:Self promotion? (Score:5, Informative)
"Posted by msmash on Monday"
"https://www.facebook.com/ms"
"https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470347966393216&set=a.121401937954499.24720.100002540804807&type=3&theater"
Sure looks like it, its timed, and the initials match up.
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Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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"Posted by msmash on Monday"
"https://www.facebook.com/ms"
"https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1470347966393216&set=a.121401937954499.24720.100002540804807&type=3&theater"
Sure looks like it, its timed, and the initials match up.
His exit speech reads exactly like a boilerplate corporate memo (might have gotten help writing it, who knows), barring any major fuck ups, this kid has it made.
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"It's only a coincidence, I swear".
LOL.
Is the guy really 21? Or rather 12?
So this is the reason? (Score:2)
open comments (Score:1)
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and your phone number, drivers license, blood sample, stool sample, your first born.
Don't do that (Score:3)
You can openly comment on his post here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo... [facebook.com]
Don't do that.
Direct your attention to the slashdot editors, who are the ones responsible for this crap on the front page.
Doxxing and belittling is immature, unfair, and a favourite tactic of our home-grown capital "A" terrorist organization.
Did you want to be known as one of them?
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Thats why you don't self promote on slashdot. Keep your promotions on your little facebook, or gtfo the internets.
Who gives a FUCKING SHIT (Score:1)
Did you submit this yourself Michael? You self-absorbed Facefuck tool?
Here's a better bio:
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Michael Sayman is a fucking a piece of shit. Nobody wants to know about him or his dorky little job, thinking up more useless garbage under the guise of innovation, while he contributes to the decline of civilization with stupid, shitty gadgets and toys.
You are fucking trash, go hide your face in a pile of wheatgrass
Cool story, bro! (Score:1)
Cool story, bro!
manager or engineer? (Score:2)
Which is he? A technical wiz? A good manager? They have rather different requirements.
Inbreeding is not surprising... (Score:1)
According to "Hatching Twitter: A True Story of Money, Power, Friendship, and Betrayal" [amzn.to] by Nick Bilton and "Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley" [amzn.to] by Antonio Garcia Martinez, both Twitter and Facebook are have employees from Google and each other. It shouldn't be surprising that talent from either company would go back to Google. Which is why I've always cautioned people not to burn their bridges because Silicon Valley is just one big incestuous family. You're never know when y
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If you don't like working for Google, presumably you also wouldn't like working for Twitter or Facebook. So people may simply not care.
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If you don't like working for Google, presumably you also wouldn't like working for Twitter or Facebook.
If you worked at Google, recruiters are less likely to consider you for positions at small- or medium-sized companies. I got pigeonholed as being an enterprise-level technician because I worked at enterprise-level companies (i.e., Fujitsu, Sony, Intuit, Google, eBay, etc.). Some of those companies I've worked for on multiple contracts.
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Obviously, you are overqualified.
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Obviously, you are overqualified.
Especially with my current government IT job with its super-sized enterprise environment. I'm almost afraid of not being able to get a regular corporate job if I don't stay with the contract after it goes up for rebidding.
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"wunderkind" (Score:2)
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GoogleMapsisshit (Score:1)
It's kind of painfully obvious that the developers working on most apps are fucking terrible at end user experience. I'm not sure a 21 year old with an extremely limited experience/perception model will understand all the use cases.
Google maps, for example, has just continually gotten worse from an end user experience level FOR THE LAST 3-4 YEARS STRAIGHT.
Google is an extremely mis-managed company. If that's not obvious to a lot of people it's because there are too many young people working there who lack
I knew nothing of him, so I checked Wikipedia... (Score:5, Insightful)
Kid makes a mobile game, gets hired by FB as developer (software engineer my ass), somehow becomes a product manager and spends 2 years learning about his own demographic and creates a failed social app.
For some reason, this makes him attractive to Google and they hire him.
*ugh*
Not only is Idiocracy becoming real, so is Silicon Valley.
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No doubt brought about by the same attitude as uninhibited, laissez faire venture capitalism, but for people instead of business. "He's smart, he's got to lay the golden egg eventually!"
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When I got my CS degree I sat in some of the same classes as my roommate who was an EE. That was in the late 80s/early 90s, so I understand things have most likely changed since then.
Is that title diluted, as you say, and over-used? Sure. Are there actual software engineers out there? Absolutely. This kid isn't one of them.
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It's like the old dotcom days. :(
Product Management isn't Engineering (Score:2, Interesting)
Was he an engineer? Or a product manager? They're not the same thing.
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They aren't? The way the term "engineer" is mis-used nowadays, it's hard to tell.
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You have to schmooze with the right people. Talk to the managers, talk to the VPs. But in such a way that you seem smart and not just a kiss up. Helps if you can talk about wines.
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...So... a nobody? (Score:2)
Sayman was a product manager who helped the social-media giant understand how his generation uses their phones, advising on experimental products for teens and helping executives understand trends
. . . So. . . his credentials for why we would care about him is...... He's a kid? That's it? Not some sort of prodigy?
"Hired as a Software Engineer" and yet he was a "product manager". Do you have any idea how fluffy and vague that title is? Don't get me wrong, there could be a TON of serious work being done behind that title. Or there could be just ".... make the icons flat with simple colors". It's like a movie producer. What do they do? "help produce".
Lemmeseeee.... he has a wikipedia page
Wunderkind? (Score:2)
Why, exactly, is this mediocre considered to be a 'wunderkind'?
Did the idiot, who allowed this submission, even know what wunderkind means?
I must be old.
Who did the submission? (Score:4, Interesting)
Was it this kid's mother who did it and needed to brag to her friends and relatives?
Slashdot alternatives? (Score:2)
I need another long vacation from /.
this is a zero content submission (Score:3)
this is a zero content submission
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It's nice to see the /. community coming together to heap abuse on it, though.
I'm tempted to submit a story. "Noted software developer and occasional author of Slashdot comments Michael Wojcik cut his fingernails last night. 'I suppose I typically cut them once a week or so,' the tech legend reported."