Facebook To Show Users Which Russian Propaganda They Followed (bloomberg.com) 279
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Facebook will show people which Russian propaganda pages or accounts they've followed and liked on the social network, responding to a request from Congress to address manipulation and meddling during the 2016 presidential election. The tool will appear by the end of the year in Facebook's online support center, the company said in a blog post Wednesday. It will answer the user question, "How can I see if I've liked or followed a Facebook page or Instagram account created by the Internet Research Agency?" That's the Russian firm that created thousands of incendiary posts from fake accounts posing as U.S. citizens. People will see a list of the accounts they followed, if any, from January 2015 through August 2017. Facebook will only be showing people the names of the pages and accounts, not the content. A user will only see what they liked or followed, so if they simply saw IRA content in their news feeds, they won't be notified.
this shouldn't be a one time thing (Score:2, Interesting)
More transparency is a good thing.
If Facebook wants their platform to be taken seriously as a place for discussion they need to start doing this will all the organizations that try to use it for the purpose of spreading propaganda. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
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It will kind of look really, really stupid if the propaganda turns out to be true, you know, like it ain't propaganda when it's true but it most certainly is propaganda when it is a lie. So you kind of have to prove it a lie and the other story the truth and that is going to be a lot harder to do and of course you can bet Russian media will have a field day, when the US get's caught trying to call the truth propaganda and lies the accepted US government and corporate state truth.
The one thing missing in o
American Patriot Mom? (Score:2, Interesting)
Along with Nation in Distress? anytime something happens my Trump friends always share crap from these pages which just happen to have anonymous whois records along with their stupid names
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it did come out that BLM was funded by russians. wouldn't surprise me if the young turks was a russian page
O tempora! O mores! (Score:4, Insightful)
And, the more things change...
Interesting how "the usual suspects" openly scoffed at accusations of Russian propaganda when the purported Russian propaganda was in support of their causes.
Back then, the Russian propaganda was mostly along political lines, supporting whoever was most sympathetic to Communism. Now, Russia being nationalist and not Communist these days, and not so much pushing an ideological line, their propaganda is more like "How much can we screw them up?" So when the Left's ox gets mauled by the Russian bear... Suddenly, what was an object of derision ("The '80s called, they want their foreign policy back") becomes A Clear And Present Danger.
I wonder what could screw us up more than Trump in the White House... And the left says "Hold my joint."
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Russia is weak and lame now, you are right about that. But they can still put together PR.
It mostly comes off as comical outside Russia, but they still put it out. 99% intended for credulous Ruskys.
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why only russian propaganda? (Score:3, Insightful)
Is facebook now the thought police? why are they only targeting Russian propaganda? why cant they show me when i have liked or followed ANY propaganda?
Oh wait, its because they have their own political agenda.... The board should be sacked along with all C suite executives at they no longer are interested in maximizing returns for their shareholders. They have instead opted to use their influence to try and sway popular opinion, its a bold strategy but not one that will maximize returns as it is based on the personal beliefs of people instead of a rational analysis of the market direction. That and they should know that to pick a side in any battle is strategically risky as it may not be the side that wins in the long term.
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why cant they show me when i have liked or followed ANY propaganda?
They do.....it's called "the list of pages I liked." Those pages weren't created to make you feel good.
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It is legal for foreign nationals to buy political ads in the US [fec.gov]. They cannot endorse a candidate or party, but can buy and show issue ads. Taking a position one way or another on an issue. That is 100% legal. Endorse a candidate or party. That is illegal.
What is illegal is taking funds from a foreign national, for use in your political campaign, something that Hillary is quite familiar with [wikipedia.org].
"This is sure to bury Drumpf!" (Score:3, Insightful)
Except :
One pro-Trump Facebook ad called for the "removal of Hillary Clinton from the presidential ballot" while another blamed Black Lives Matter for a "gruesome attack on police". Meanwhile, a fake gay rightsâ(TM) account praised Bernie Sanders as a "hero", and an anti-Trump profile advertised a "not my president" rally after the election, which attracted interest from nearly 50,000 people on Facebook and said: "Racism won, Ignorance won, Sexual assault won ⦠STOP TRUMP!"
https://www.theguardian.com/te... [theguardian.com]
People still aren't getting it. Or are being purposefully obtuse to try and keep the "Russia!" panic alive and try to paint Trump in a bad light. If he's such a bad president and bad person, why do you people even need to make stuff up to defame him ?
The only thing creating division in the U.S. right now is not the President, it's all the #RESIST BS that keeps shoving "Russia!" hysteria and spinning everything the President does as negative. It's gotten so bad that if the man cured Cancer tomorrow, he'd be accused of putting Oncologists out of a job.
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...if the man cured Cancer tomorrow, he'd be accused of putting Oncologists out of a job.
If my grandmother had handlebars and wheels, she'd be a bicycle.
Let's put this in perspective. You're defending a guy who bragged about sexually assaulting women, who can't restrain himself from arguing with every troll on Twitter and who despite having been president for almost a year and aided by a Republican controlled Congress hasn't accomplished a damn thing other than to lessen the stature of our country in the rest of the world's eye.
Good job!
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You're defending a guy who bragged about sexually assaulting women,
See, this is EXACTLY the kind of stuff that the MSM is pushing. The guy bragged about gold diggers, MSM : "Literally sexual assault! Find the victims!!!!".
aided by a Republican controlled Congress
LMAO. You are not paying attention. The Republican Senate is the only thing impeding him. He's done what he's able to do with Executive Powers. He doesn't control the legislative branch. He's not the one to blame for the GOP's failure in the Senate.
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If he's such a bad president and bad person, why do you people even need to make stuff up to defame him
I'm not American, but all we need to do is listen to him. His character speaks quite badly enough for himself.
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The only thing creating division in the U.S. right now is...
Them! It's not us it's them!
Your post is part of the problem. My post is part of the problem. As soon as it turn into us vs them we all lose.
Stop treating everything as us and them and we might have a chance at moving forward together.
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Maybe I'm just getting old, but trolls seem to be getting stupider on Slashdot.
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> Are you seriously comparing a US electoral reform debate to Robert Mugabe?
> Maybe I'm just getting old, but trolls seem to be getting stupider on Slashdot.
Actually, Mt. "young" "one", he's probably referring to an event before your time; i.e. Stalin's artificial famine that killed off 7 million people in the 1930's http://www.historyplace.com/wo... [historyplace.com] but the lib-left idolizes "Uncle Joe", so you never hear this inconvenient truth.
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Nice! (Score:2)
An "Am I stupid and/or gullible?" button!
Damn genius. This should be standard. Like new years day every user gets to see how many paid-for-posts they peddled for free!
in Soviet Facebook... (Score:2)
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Day dreaming about the covert skills of the Soviet Union and its huge embassy in the USA again?
The idea that people outside the US elite coast could have voted in person for a real political leader who could give a speech?
A political candidate that actually visited their state and talked to real people in person?
Someone who did no
other propaganda (Score:3)
Can we get the same feature for other propaganda as well? Chinese propaganda, american propaganda, and most importantly: Corporate propaganda.
According to WP:
Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.
That describes just about any advertisement or political statement made by any politician during the past decade.
We are being manipulated constantly, from all sides. My profession is information security, so I have a lot of exposure to "evil russians". Here's a consistent pattern that I've noticed again and again and again, and I'm beginning to believe that it applies to the russian infowar approach as well: Russian methods are more obvious, more transparent. Might be less experience or a reduced sensitivity to exposure (Russians distrust their government even more than americans do, and basically assume that all politicians are corrupt anyways, so there's less need to pretend). But once you look past that, there's really not so much difference. Western manipulations, or security attacks, are less obvious, more tricky, spend more resources on appearing as something else or remaining unnoticed. There is also a lot more misdirection in the western approach. But when you look at plain data, the USA is as much an attack source as Russia, if not more so (this recent article [securitytoday.com] lists the USA far ahead of Russia, with Turkey and Brazil ahead of the evil ex-communists).
We are clearly seing a revival of Cold War animosities. Maybe trecking out NK and Iran as the "Axis of Evil" doesn't have the desired effect anymore? Maybe a large event (not necessarily a war, but could be) is being prepared and the public opinion needs to be set up properly first? Or maybe the people in charge are just boneheaded idiots who seriously think that Russia is a big danger, but climate change is a fabrication. No, you cannot possibly be that stupid, you would forget to breathe if you had that much of a brain damage.
But "fake news" isn't news at all, it's been around for hundreds of years. As has been propaganda, and the main source of propaganda, at all times in history, has always been - surprise - your own government. Which is logical, of course. The local/national government has the most to lose or win from your opinion, so they have the greatest interest in influencing it.
So please give us fake news background checks not just for selected sources. The person that writes a Firefox extension that automatically overlays advertisement with fact-checking background information deserves a Nobel prize. The person who hacks the cable broadcast infrastructure to put that on all the TV stations - we'd have to invent a new prize for that person. The manipulations that were done in the name of profit begin to make those done in the name of war appear harmless. Sugar industry, tobacco industry, oil industry - these fuckers are ready to destroy generations of people so their next quarterly earnings reports are good. With such friends, who needs enemies? I personally am much more worried about these guys.
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Maybe we need a better criteria for voting eligibility than a pulse.
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Or maybe a simple test. You know, some basic facts and civic knowledge that any knowledgeable voter should demonstrate.
P.S. And of course, since we should not take away rights people already have, we will have to let anyone who has already voted continue to vote, regardless of their test result. Let's call it "grandfathering," like being grandfathering in your old unlimited AT&T plan when AT&T discontinues them.
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> Or maybe a simple test. You know, some basic facts and civic
> knowledge that any knowledgeable voter should demonstrate.
Been tried already. The SJWs won't like it http://www.slate.com/blogs/the... [slate.com]
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Or, it could mean that we're ready for an actual democracy, not a pretend one where votes in certain states count for more than votes in others.
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Actually, I'm a fan of the electoral college. At least, I understand what it's benefits are. I'd be interested to see straight popular vote, but my suspicion is that everyone would end up hating it.
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What about the electoral college do you like? I don't see any redeeming features.
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Dunno about GP, but I like the fact that big, heavily-populated states (California, New York, Texas) don't get to set the agenda for the rest of us. Unlike Congress (specifically the Senate, with two Senators per state), the Electoral College is the only thing that allows smaller states to get a voice in the Executive branch of government.
Remove the Electoral College, and you have a situation where candidates only need pander to a small handful of states, and could literally tell all the other states to go
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"Dunno about GP, but I like the fact that big, heavily-populated states (California, New York, Texas) don't get to set the agenda for the rest of us"
Actually, they have more electoral votes, so they still get to set the agenda for everyone else. Bigger populations means bigger representation.
So the EC is entirely unfair.
Re:An unpopular opinion (Score:5, Insightful)
What you're basically saying is that empty land area matters more than what the majority of actual people want.
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The Founding Fathers understood the tyranny of the majority. Do you think anything that 51% agree with is ALWAYS a good idea to be enforced by the full power of the law?
Maybe you ought to give a specific example of what atrocities are being forced on you by the full extent of the law. Taxes? Not being allowed to marry your sister?
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Do you believe that when it's 49%?
The EC system does nothing to rein in the power of the majority; it just changes how the majority is decided.
Re:An unpopular opinion (Score:4, Insightful)
"Empty land" is what feeds the majority of America. Not fucking over farmers is in the best interest of y'all city folk,
City folk didn't purposefully elect a prick to screw with their political opposition. City folk don't want to screw over farmers. Nor is it in the farmer's best interests to screw over city folk, cuz we do things like eliminate polio, invent dwarf wheat, bring down the cost of manufactured goods, and raise the quality of life. We have also made it possible for the US to have the world's best military, because everyone has brave muscular men, but few have an unlocked GPS system.
We're all Americans and our votes should count equally.
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And without big government wealth redistribution farm subsidies!!!
I wouldn't die even if I was spending $100 a day on food!!! Why am I wasting my money to help their farms so poor people don't starve!!
A good starve is what we really need to end the welfare state!
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No, they wouldn't, because the urban dwellers in Ohio, Rhode Island, Texas, Alaska, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee, and on and on, add up to a whole helluva lot of people and they'd equally have the vote. Good lord, did they teach you how to count?
The EC doesn't just screw over California and New York, it screws over any dense urban population of every red state who will never get a say in who becomes president, and every lonely blue person in the bogs and bayous who keeps his or her mouth shut.
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Actually, the electoral college is exactly like Congress. Each state gets 1 vote for each member of Congress. So I'm not sure I follow your argument that's somehow different.
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Well, for starters, I used this website (https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/allocation.html), which explicitly states:
"Every state is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its members in the U. S. House of Representatives."
However, since the number of house representatives per state is determined by the censu
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Confused implies trying to understand. GP is just repeating derp.
Re:An unpopular opinion (Score:4, Insightful)
I like the fact that big, heavily-populated states (California, New York, Texas) don't get to set the agenda for the rest of us
So instead a few "battleground" states (PA, OH, FL) get to set the agenda for the rest of us.
I don't see the difference.
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the Electoral College is the only thing that allows smaller states to get a voice in the Executive branch of government
First: of course they would still have a voice, it just wouldn't be as loud. Instead, it would be proportional to the number of voters in those states.
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Second, and more to the point: why do you think states should have any say at all in who gets elected president? This is an odd argument - the whole point of democracy is that voters, people, get to decide who leads them. Not states. And by-and-large we adhere to the one-man-one-vote principle, remember that whole "all men are created equal" business?
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it would be proportional to the number of voters in those states.
Um, it is, for the most part.
https://www.archives.gov/feder... [archives.gov]
The only issue would be that each state gets +2 regardless of their size. So very small states like Wyoming get more than double the number of votes they'd get otherwise based on population (but still a vastly smaller number than large states).
I can't believe no one has even mentioned this, but I recall the controversy being the "winner takes all" aspect of the EC. That allows situations where a candidate can "win" handily w/ the popular vote, bu
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Um, it is, for the most part. ... I can't believe no one has even mentioned this
We have been mentioning it, we have been talking about both things. That is what this discussion is about. When the parent above said that, "the Electoral College is the only thing that allows smaller states to get a voice in the Executive branch of government," what he really meant was that it gives disproportionate weight to people who live in less populated states. And not by a small amount, as you suggest - someone living in Wyoming or Washington DC gets effectively three times as many votes as the aver
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Have a straight popular vote and candidates will need to appeal to voters everywhere.
Or keep the EC but allocate them pro rata[1] instead of all-or-nothing and you remove the incentive to ignore the ones that are either no-hopers or in the pocket.
[1] I think a few of the smaller states do this already.
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. Unlike Congress (specifically the Senate, with two Senators per state), the Electoral College is the only thing that allows smaller states to get a voice in the Executive branch of government.
True. But if the small states abuse this power and create policies specifically targeting big states, like double taxation of state taxes, we need to curb the excess. So national popular vote compact would get more support. It is in the best interest of the small states not to overplay their hand.
Further states that get only one House Rep still get more that what they deserve. Thus small states have too much power in all the three bodies.
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don't get to set the agenda for the rest of us.
Then the way to do that is to stop the power they're using to do that, not to decide who to gets that power.
The United States should operate, IMHO, closer to the EU. Then NY and CA can set their agendas and where you live can set your own agenda.
There are some days I wish the Confederacy won. If for no reason than the confederate states would be a separate nation and the rest of us could move on. Maybe we'd have policies and social agendas closer to Canada or the Nordic states than the Middle East.
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Problem is, one feature of the electoral college was to prevent a monster from taking office if elected by the population. In the last election the electoral college elected the monster. Kill the electoral college.
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What you've described now is already what's happening. Except instead of pandering to population centers they're pandering to the isolated inhabitants of regions without the economy to support a large population. My life and opinion shouldn't be worth less because of where I live.
Subverting democracy aside I shouldn't have to put up with the hairbrained ideas of places managed so badly that nobody wants to live there, decided by desperate people who lack to common sense to leave when their job dies.
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Dunno about GP, but I like the fact that big, heavily-populated states (California, New York, Texas) don't get to set the agenda for the rest of us.
Yes, Tyranny of the Minority is fun when you're the minority.
Remove the Electoral College, and you have a situation where candidates only need pander to a small handful of states...
You mean they'd have to pander to a majority of the people, who are worth less than you are worth because you dislike their politics.
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Dunno about GP, but I like the fact that big, heavily-populated states (California, New York, Texas) don't get to set the agenda for the rest of us. Unlike Congress (specifically the Senate, with two Senators per state), the Electoral College is the only thing that allows smaller states to get a voice in the Executive branch of government.
Being non-American, what I don't get is why the USA, which clearly has quite diverse opinions about things, is still a single entity?
If we take the emotion out of it, it would seem that splitting into 3 or 4 'super states' would solve a lot of the current political issues.
There must be an optimum size for country to function most effectively, and the US is making quite clear that 320M+ is too big. 4 smaller nations of 80M people each with a common defence pact would probably work a whole lot better.
Re:An unpopular opinion (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:An unpopular opinion (Score:5, Informative)
Your post isn't insightful, it's simply repeating the lies of people who hate the UNITED States or America.
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After all, who should people believe... you, or the people that actually founded this country? They lives through the worthless fucking bullshit that was the Confederacy of States for 6 years, then realized it was completely fucked and they needed
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Well, as soon as the tax bill goes through and repeals SALT, that might just happen.
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There are, but not to the extent of the red states. Here is a list of the 100 poorest counties in the United States. Not one of them is anywhere near what you would call a "big city".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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The vast majority of my food comes from California, within a few hundred miles of where I'm sitting now.
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When you say "grown by", do you mean the people who own the farms or the people who actually do the work?
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My food isn't sentient and I'm so rich I wouldn't starve anyhow. Maybe the country should be listening to my ideas and not the ideas of people who claim they have to pay a bunch of illegal immigrants less than minimum wage in order to run a successful business that I depend on for living.
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People in Alabama support pedophiles. Why should I want them to set any agenda for anyone anywhere?
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Should also add one other thing: The Electoral College makes it harder to commit voter fraud, since you'd have to commit it in a larger number of areas... without it, one only need to rig the vote in a few areas, and have a greater chance of stealing the overall vote.
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now imagine the entire country being run by NYC and a few other big cities. No thanks
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You mean like NYC having the lowest violent crime rate of any major city in the US? (https://www.amny.com/opinion/homicide-rate-still-at-historic-lows-in-new-york-1.11210870). Yeah, that'd be horrible if they managed to do that everywhere.
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Why is the rest of the state tying itself to NYC? For thousands of years people have decided they were tired of being run by a party in another area and went off to do their own thing.
Lets have a big election where we all vote on our ideals and redraw lines around those? Here are a bunch of maps redrawn by equal size: www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/10/if_every_u_s_state_had_the_same_population_what_would_the_map_of_america.html
Group them by what how they think their area should be run and then
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now imagine the entire country being run by NYC and a few other big cities. No thanks
And rightly so. The needs of the city differs from the needs of the country so why try to cover them with one political entity?
With mass migration to cities over the decades I think we're at a point we should revert to city states.
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I don't see any redeeming features.
It gives less populated states a say in a system that would otherwise make them irrelevant. Not a lot of a say, but some. States like Montana and Alaska are valuable resources for the United States and I'd like to keep them.
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We weren't talking about EC until Trump beat Hillary by campaigning in states she thought were a lock, but the deep data mining showed the Trump Campaign it wasn't and they actually campaigned there. States that Obama won handily and have been D for several other election cycles.
Additionally, they are looking at data based on people voting in the EC as if they weren't going to vote in the EC, but in Popular Election. How many California Republicans didn't vote because, well its California and a lost cause o
Elections (Score:3, Insightful)
The EC is fine. The biggest problem is that we need more viable parties, and with First Past the Post that's just not going to happen. This massive partisan divide that we have is completely artificial. This country mostly agrees on things, except for a few specific issues. However, running on an "everything's fine" campaign doesn't get anyone elected, so we campaign on wedge issues.
I've heard it said that America required an existential external threat in order to function properly, that an overarching nat
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I would suggest to you, that the party ballot and primaries are the actual problem with our system.
My immediate fix, which would not require any Constitutional Amendments would be as follows
1) No Partisan Markings on the ballot
2) No partisan elections using public funding.
If the parties wish to sponsor a candidate, they can fund their own elections and elect their own candidates without ANY support from our government. The primaries would be completely open, and having no party markings on the ballot. If we
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convincing the courts that this doesn't violate "one man, one vote".
The EC is not "one man, one vote" to begin with.....
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In short the USA should switch to a parliamentary system, and turn the presidency into a figure head, like our king.
No.
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Six or eight. [people-press.org]
I mean, does it make sense to you that there would be only two political theories in a country this big? I put "real" in quotes because I'm not really interested in getting into speculation on the matter, or worse, a semantic argument. That there are more than two can be evidenced by the fact that there are already more than two, but the way the system is set up, well, we wouldn't have the (pejorative) phrase "third party" if it weren't well known that they don't have a snowball's chance in hel
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The more serious problem is that you have a two party system. Democracy works best when no single party can gain overall control and every government has to be a coalition.
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Yeah, but what if you don't want government to get things done, and just want them to get (or stay) out of the way?
Gridlock is a feature, not a bug.
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Coalitions are shit. Look at Italy and Belgium.
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Non-coalitions are shit. Look at the US and UK.
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Governments are shit, look at US, UK, Italy, Belgium ..... need I go on?
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I understand you don't like Trump but would you really honestly prefer that Clinton had won? With all her inability to see reality which resulted in her gross miscalculation in key states, with blaming everyone else from Putin to Obama, with her power grabbing the DNC so she could steer it toward her Precious presidency, with her not distancing herself from her top donor Weinstein for days (Trump has no such problem because he didn't run on the platform of social justice), and on and on and on?
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I would prefer if the will of the people had been done.
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There are different ways of knowing the will of the people. Popular vote by a simple majority is one, electoral college is another, there are countless others. Giving vote only to 18+ citizens is yet another, that overlaps with the others. The Constitution chooses one particular way. How can you be certain that a different way of interpreting that voice of the people would be better for the country?
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The last two Republican presidents both became president after losing the popular vote. At some point, it calls into question the "consent of the governed".
Further, more Americans voted for Democratic candidates for Congress than Republicans. Yet, Congress is controlled by Republicans. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, electoral college. Do y
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The US has over 300 million people in it. Less than 140 million voted. Doesn't sound like a majority to me.
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https://www.fox.com/watch/4e9ac96523b454de771f95a4f775facb [fox.com]
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I could have told you people are far too stupid to live in a democracy.
If Facebook wanted to do something useful, they'd create a set of flag icons and tag every post with IP country of origin.
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Why did you leave out the DNC paid for that report or Natlia got her entry into the US approved by Obama administration.
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/d... [cbsnews.com]
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