Judge Rules AT&T Can't See Trump White House Communications About Time Warner Merger 84
The judge presiding over the Justice Department's attempt to block the AT&T-Time Warner merger has ruled that the White House's private communications on the merger will not be released. The Verge reports: When the department said in November that it would sue to block the mega-merger, thoughts immediately turned to the White House. President Trump has made no secret of his disdain for CNN, and some watchers questioned whether the White House's hand was present, guiding the Justice Department as a way to exact revenge on the Time Warner-owned property. The Justice Department has denied any wrongdoing, and said it is only looking to block the merger on the grounds that it is anti-competitive. But to prove the theory, AT&T and Time Warner requested communications between the Justice Department and White House that could have shown the department was engaging in "selective enforcement." In today's decision, the judge on the case said the companies had fallen "far short" of the legal bar required to receive the documents.
Which means it is just going to happen again (Score:1, Troll)
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What has it not? Selective enforcement is the name of the executive privilege.
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2008 and Onward: Too big to jail, Eric Holder: "The size of some of these institutions becomes so large that it does become difficult for us to prosecute them when we are hit with indications that if you do prosecute, if you do bring a criminal charge, it will have a negative impact on the national economy."
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"The AT&T split from 25 years prior was ondone"
ondone?? What's that?
A typo, Sparky.
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2006: The AT&T split from 25 years prior was ondone. All the Baby Bells became again AT&T. Didn't seem to make much difference.
Sure it did. Now you have Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, and a few smaller carriers. AT&T does not have overwhelming monopoly power anymore.
Re: Which means it is just going to happen again (Score:2)
All antitrust actions include an expiration date. General Oil was split up, and after the expiration date, they began to merge again. AT&T is no exception, and contrary to your statement, they began merging well before 2006. CenturyLink (which wasn't a Baby Bell in the beginning, but it picked up USWest) AT&T, and Verizon remain.
Sure, 3 is much smaller than the original 7 (tellcore doesn't count because it's only a standards body, and it was bought up by a company who also isn't a phone service prov
Come on dude, shush it ... here's why ... (Score:3, Insightful)
The AT&T merger is being blocked on the grounds it is bad for the consumer and AT&T and Time Warner are already on record stating it will allow them to raise prices.
Just because "Trump" does not excuse you for your poor logic on how bad this merger would be for consumers.
AT&T and Time Warner simply should not be merging.
And you thinking the merger would be good just because of "Trump" does not speak well of your ability to think.
Re:Come on dude, shush it ... here's why ... (Score:5, Insightful)
And you thinking the merger would be good just because of "Trump" does not speak well of your ability to think.
Hmm? Absolutely nowhere did I say that. The merger is unambiguously bad. But I really, really also don't want a precedent where the President (whether Trump or anyone else) can easily use selective enforcement anti-trust law for political goals. We're in a situation where there's really no good result. The best case scenario would have been that the White House turned over everything relevant and it became clear from the documentation that there was no inappropriate influence, and then the merger gets blocked. But in order for that to happen, that material needs to become available.
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As soon as you turn 18 what do you get in the mail? Selective service registration. Just men. Not women. Hmm, doesn't seem fair. And it just gets worse from there.
And what's your point of registering to Selective Service at 18? All Army, Air force, Navy, etc., are now volunteer. Registering to the service is at least no effect on the current generation even though they may call them out from no where under certain circumstances (e.g. war). Still, they are more like a reserve than anything else. If the draft still exists today, I wouldn't argue on this point at all.
Re: Come on dude, shush it ... here's why ... (Score:1)
Anti-trust laws, pretty much any laws the DOJ prosecutes (or not) has politics involved. Microsoft donated enough money to get theirs to disappear, if TW or AT&T hadn't bet on the establishment horses in the last election they too would be at the big boys table.
This is a good thing. The decision is also a good thing - private corporations should not be able to see into private/classified communications just because they throw enough money around.
If and when this communication gets declassified and relea
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Unfortunately, neither can I. Either it is someone who finally is saying how they really feel, or someone making fun of how some really feel. In either case, I see it as someone's "truth", whether it be the poster's or the anti-trump crowd.
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The merger is unambiguously bad. But I really, really also don't want a precedent where the President (whether Trump or anyone else) can easily use selective enforcement anti-trust law for political goals
Huh? It's been that way for decades. The Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit went forward because Microsoft did not donate to political campaigns (at the time). They quickly fixed that mistake, and the lawsuit went away when a business-friendly administration took over.
That's the big lesson of large corporations: You need to donate a decent amount of money to both political parties. Otherwise, you'll be at a disadvantage to those companies who "have their ear" of Congress and the Executive.
Re: Which means it is just going to happen again (Score:2, Funny)
Emperor Donald the trust-buster is going to really, really enrage Hillaryist corporate shills.
Best we can hope for (Score:5, Insightful)
The merger between AT&T and Time-Warner should be blocked. This is a case of the president doing the right thing for corrupt reasons, which I suppose we should take as a win.
But ultimately, I suspect the merger will go forward. AT&T and Time-Warner simply have better lawyers than the Trump administration.
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This is a case of the president doing the right thing for corrupt reasons, which I suppose we should take as a win.
This is true, but the fact you and I can agree on something like this is a really bad omen.
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Well, you may believe it's the right action for the wrong reason, but this decision means you can't prove it.
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I think we can prove that it's the right action, anyway. We just can't prove that it's for the wrong reason. :-)
Re: Best we can hope for (Score:2)
Does Trump really believe this latest tax cut won't bankrupt us? Probably not. He has enough experience in business to know what happens when revenues don't match expenditures.
The last time revenues matched expenses was when the Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich forced President Clinton to agree to welfare reforms after his pizza & BJ party in the Oval Office with a White House intern.
The last administration burned thru $10 Trillion (with a 'T') of new debt over the preceding 8 years, this administration inks a deal that is projected to add $1.5 Trillion to debt over the next ten years and you think *THAT* will "bankrupt us"?
Grow up.
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Well, except that in the US Government, the Judicial branch is over the Executive branch, not the other way around. Federal judges don't answer to trump. Their appointments are for life. Trump's term is only 4 or 8 years.
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More courts need to step in line or get out of the way via impeachment if necessary.
The one best reason not to impeach Trump is named Mike Pence. Last person you want as president is a right-wing fundamentalist fascist Christian controlling all of the nukes.
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The one best reason not to impeach Trump is named Mike Pence. Last person you want as president is a right-wing fundamentalist fascist Christian controlling all of the nukes.
Look, I'm no fan at all of Mike Pence (or anyone else in the Trump administration.) However, I'm not sure on all of your claims.
Right wing? Check. Fundamentalist Christian? Most definitely. But fascist? Citation please.
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But fascist? Citation please.
IMHO [slate.com]
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Very interesting. Thanks for that.
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Very interesting. Thanks for that.
You're welcome.
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Very weak. That just shows Pence being loyal to his boss, which is literally the absolute minimum required of his job.
Like all politicians he is talking like a politician. What he is actually saying is "See what President Crazy Town did? I'm the sane candidate, you can feel confident in my presidency."
There's not the slightest suggestion of him taking the initiative, nor even of condoning Trump's attacks on the press or the courts.
What do you think Trump would do to Pence if he *ever* took the initiative?
If that's the best citation you can come up with for "Pence is a fascist", I for one will find for the defendant.
There are plenty of articles on Pence's relationship with Blackwater. I think if you are comfortable with the Vice President having access to a private militia whilst he can approve government spending then you are probably one of his supporters.
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What do you think Trump would do to Pence if he *ever* took the initiative?
Pout about it on Twitter?
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An opinion piece by Slate? I read it... He doesn't like what Trump says and Pence is quiet about what his boss says... FACISM!!!!
Give me a break.
Can't talk about safety or security because "Elevate fear and bury other considerations!!!". Does that mean the pro-gun control parroting safety and security are creating a fascistic state? After all, they are elevating fear with abused statistics while appealing to emotion and burying other considerations #DoSomething. Also, they are disarming the public and takin
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The one best reason not to impeach Trump is named Mike Pence. Last person you want as president is a right-wing fundamentalist fascist Christian controlling all of the nukes.
Look, I'm no fan at all of Mike Pence (or anyone else in the Trump administration.) However, I'm not sure on all of your claims.
Right wing? Check. Fundamentalist Christian? Most definitely. But fascist? Citation please.
I'm not a fan of Pence either and I disagree with the GP too. I see the difference between Pence and Trump mostly as being that while Pence is a stuffy conservative Bible thumper at least he is a rational, intelligent and an experienced politician whereas Trump really is just a couple of steps down the skill ladder from an organ grinder's monkey. Pence could, for example, be trusted **not to start a nuclear exchange** with North Korea with a stream of late night rage tweets while sitting on the toilet bowel
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The one best reason not to impeach Trump is named Mike Pence. Last person you want as president is a right-wing fundamentalist fascist Christian controlling all of the nukes.
Look, I'm no fan at all of Mike Pence (or anyone else in the Trump administration.) However, I'm not sure on all of your claims.
Right wing? Check. Fundamentalist Christian? Most definitely. But fascist? Citation please.
Things that Fascists believe in:
1. Nationalism.
2. Totalitarianism (police enforced single party state).
3. Enforcement of political doctrines (violence is acceptable).
4. Age and gender roles (also enforced).
Just by being a hard right christian fundamentalist, he's ticked most of the boxes.
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Things that Fascists believe in:
1. Nationalism.
2. Totalitarianism (police enforced single party state).
3. Enforcement of political doctrines (violence is acceptable).
4. Age and gender roles (also enforced).
Just by being a hard right christian fundamentalist, he's ticked most of the boxes.
Please provide citations for each of your assertions that Christians believe in the following:
1. Nationalism.
2. Totalitarianism (police enforced single party state).
3. Enforcement of political doctrines (violence is acceptable).
4. Age and gender roles (also enforced).
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Please provide citations for each of your assertions that Christians believe in the following:
The Christians are the ones with the horrified look on their faces that their entire cultural doctrine has be subverted by the "hard right christian fundamentalist". One way to tell the difference is the Christians forgive you for trespassing and the hard right christian fundamentalist's shoot at you.
But those fun fun fundamentalist sure know how to party!!! :)
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More courts need to step in line or get out of the way via impeachment if necessary.
The one best reason not to impeach Trump is named Mike Pence. Last person you want as president is a right-wing fundamentalist fascist Christian controlling all of the nukes.
Fortunately, the US military command has said they wont automatically follow any nuclear launch order... And I've got more faith in a career military officer that must have at least done something to earn their position to do the right thing than any president or prime minister.
Besides, it's 2018, Trump will have finished his term and sunk the Republicans chance for a reelection by the time an impeachment could occur. It took 2.5 years to get Nixon.
Re: ummm (Score:2)
Should I be mad dumbass Trump potentially did something good for a bad reason?
FTFY - there's no evidence of any wrong-doing, just a fantasy some lawyers dreamed up when the merger they wanted to happen didn't...
antitrust rules have merit (Score:1)
Huge companies merging is bad for America. Does no one realize that? Who fucking cares about the presidents motivations. Hyper-consolidation and the resulting lack of competition exacerbates every problem with our countries "free market" (LOL, free market)
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Trump! Golden Sinks! Golden Toilets! Golden Showers!
Re: Wrong Judge (Score:2)
And have the distinction of being the most-over turned courts in the country!
Just because (Score:5, Insightful)
Just because you can imagine that a crime has occurred, doesn't mean you get to breech Executive Privlege and are owed transcripts of communications you only imagine exists.
If the lawyers demanding transcripts of any/all communication between the White House and DOJ had anything stronger than a 'belief' that something illegal 'may' have happened, they might get what they are asking for.
I seem to recall the previous administration refused to share communications between the White House and DOJ regarding the "Fast 'n Furious" gun-running fiasco when Congress asked for it - remember, Eric Holder was found in contempt of Congress in that case? I'm sure your outrage then, when people's actual lives were lost, not the prospect of possibly higher cable bills...
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More that just higher cable bills! CNN is at stake! Think of CNN!
I need a news organization to threaten memers with a dox.
Selective Enforcement (Score:2)
Translation: We know we're breaking the law, but want proof that we're being singled out for enforcement due to political reasons.
I frown on selective enforcement in general, but in this case it's a law that shouldn't be violated by anyone.
The gamification of propaganda (Score:2)
The gamification of propaganda took longer than expected to arrive. Folks have been hinting around this for a while, notably FB and Twitter, but an actual game developed expressly for this is new. Orwell would be impressed.