Dual-Motor Tesla Model 3 Possibly Coming In July (electrek.co) 71
According to Elon Musk, the dual-motor Tesla Model 3 is expected to be released in July. "Musk linked the release of the new Model 3 powertrain with the automaker achieving a production rate of 5,000 Model 3 vehicles per week," reports Electrek. From the report: Earlier this year, we reported on Tesla registering 19 Model 3 VINs with dual motor powertrain with NHTSA in the latest batch of new VINs. It happened right after the Tesla Model 3 dual motor powertrain design leaked in the latest design studio update. Then in February, Tesla registered a new batch of Model 3 VINs, including two dozen Model 3 VINs with the dual motor powertrain. It raised Model 3 reservation holders' hope that the new configuration could soon become available, but now Musk confirmed that it is still a few months away in a series of tweets last night. The CEO also linked the timing with the release of the Model 3 white interior. Tesla currently only offers a single interior option with black upholstery. The dual motor Model 3 is expected to deliver a slightly longer range and offer a quicker acceleration than the current single motor rear-wheel-drive version.
Not worth the electrons its printed on (Score:2, Informative)
Elon Musk, 2012: "The electricity used by the Supercharger comes from a solar carport system provided by SolarCity, which results in almost zero marginal energy cost after installation. Combining these two factors, Tesla is able to provide Model S owners free long distance travel indefinitely. () The Supercharger system will always generate more power from sunlight than Model S customers use for driving."
Elon Musk, 2013: "Model S is designed to allow a fast battery swap, exch
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Elon Musk, on the Model 3 production, 2017: "So -- but what people should absolutely have zero concern about, zero, is that Tesla will achieve a 10,000-unit production week by the end of next year."
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Indeed he does, but let's look at your examples:
Elon Musk, 2013: "Model S is designed to allow a fast battery swap -- True: Indeed it was and was demonstrated as such. Just because consumer demand wasn't there didn't change this fact.
Elon Musk, 2014: "I expect that in the long run, Tesla will build a battery factory in Germany." -- Not realised: The long run hasn't happened yet. Not in terms of an industry in its infancy. Give them a chance to learn to walk before we complain they haven't decided what to s
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Olun Misk: "In the long run I plan to shit gold bricks".
You: The long run hasn't happened yet and in any case plans change.
I think the point is that Elon Musk frequently fails to deliver on his promises in respect of Tesla. Plans don't change by magic, they change in response to unforeseen problems or unrealistic targets. For Musk, unforeseen problems seem to include things like not foreseeing that his own ego is no substitute for proper design practice (e.g. freeze it before building the production line) a
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Olun Misk: "In the long run I plan to shit gold bricks".
Your snide comment aside, he has well and truly already done so.
I think the point is that Elon Musk frequently fails to deliver on his promises in respect of Tesla.
Yes you could get that impression when you cherry pick from everything to suit your agenda.
I'm sorry, but you would be crazy to believe anything Musk says without convincing independent evidence to back it up. He is not trustworthy.
Actually he has shown himself to deliver on quite a lot of things he has said, and do so repeatedly. You on the other hand are just some unknown knob on the internet.
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To be fair, Autopilot might be on average safer than a human... Problem is, it looks very much like they rolled out a software update that introduced "barrier lust". It already has "truck lust", where it moves towards trucks as it passes them for some reason, and this latest firmware seems to have done something to the way it follows road markings that makes it steer into road dividing barriers.
As Tesla stated, the guy had driven that bit of road many times before, along with many other Tesla drivers. Then
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And then you do it, you wait more and tesla go and announce the 4 motor version.
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"... and our suppliers are all idiots."
I doubt they are ALL idiots, but that sounds more credible than most Muskisms.
Tesla has been cobbling cars together for a while. This is not their first rodeo. Why did Musk's operation select incompetent suppliers for the Model 3?
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They didn't. The supplier thing is bullshit. The production problems are really of Tesla's own making and due to the fact that their previous cars have been cobbled together. The model 3 is the first one for mass production and it should not be surprising that Tesla does not know how to do mass production.
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Except they aren't taking more time than other car manufacturers to get the production line up and running. Musk is just letting optimistic estimates out.
His pathological penchant for unrealistic estimates really isn't the core of the problem. Musk started actually taking orders for a mass-produced car before he even started working on the production line or even having a clue how long it would realistically take to do that. Other car manufacturers employ what Elon doubtless thinks is an old-fashioned and blinkered technique of selling mass-produced cars after they're actually being mass-produced.
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Jesus tits, not this again. Spend a second on wikipedia. 'Unsprung mass'
I know you're AC. But perhaps you don't want to be wrong all your life.
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Car manufactures? This century? Post Model T?
On axle hydraulic motors are common. In heavy equipment. Where wheel and tire weight is measured in tons and they have no suspension except the tire sidewall.
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Car manufactures? This century? Post Model T?
Wikipedia tells me that it is used in several newer concept cars. Also in three cars produced in series:
MW Motors Luka EV
and from the German wikipedia, the Chinese electric BYD ebus and the Mercedes-Benz Citaro Fuel Cell Hybrid bus.
The Liebherr T 282B ultra heavy truck also seems to use on axle electric motors.
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That's a no. No production cars.
Do you think there might be a reason for that? Hint: It's upthread, 'unsprung mass'
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You listed heavy equipment, buses, concept cars and one that they had made three of.
'Three' is not production, 'three' is not street legal anywhere. DOT makes you destroy more than three, just to be considered.
Bet there are golf carts and forklifts too. Also not a production car.
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Jesus tits, not this again. Spend a second on wikipedia. 'Unsprung mass'
I'm not the original AC, but I like to have a wider perspective on things than some 100-year-old tradition of car design. I imagine some people at Tesla have actually considered the pros and cons with an open mind, as they seem pretty innovative in general.
Electric motors don't have similar scaling issues as ICEs, so it might be a good tradeoff to have one small motor per wheel. I imagine it's a plus when you get rid of a mechanical drive train, along with friction and other losses. (See also: https://en [wikipedia.org]
The quaint tradition known as physics (Score:2)
Unsprung vs sprung weight was literally a homework assignment in an introductory engineering class. It was a toy problem at that, mainly used to teach us how to use the mechanical simulation software.
You could have done the math yourself.
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It would be the coolest virus of all times. But I bet they would just spin the wheels until the tires caught fire.
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Honestly, it would probably just be easier to disable the thermal safety make the battery or motors overload and catch fire instead.
I would be curious if the frame would crack under the strain, though.
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Easier, but not nearly as cool. If you could turn the steering wheel, they'd all 'donut' quite nicely, might get up to a respectable RPM. But that might inhibit the tires catching fire, which would be OK, enough would get hung up and burn.
More like late 2018 (Score:3)
My turn came yesterday. It said I can have the premium in production model 3 in three to six weeks, or dual motor in late 2018 and the regular standard battery model 3 in early 2019.
Looks like they predict there is enough demand for the higher end versions to soak up all the production in 2018.
I am not waiting, no pricing is announced.
Price was, 35K base, +9K for extended 310 mile battery, +5K for premium interior that has open pore wood trim and two extra usbs. Some special cruise control is 6K and auto pilot is another 4 K on top of that. Desitnation charge of 1000$. Wanted an immediate payment of 2500$ to book it.
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Looks like they predict there is enough demand for the higher end versions to soak up all the production in 2018
That's not necessarily a good thing. It might be b because they can't get production up to reasonable numbers.
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There are enough fanbois like me to feel we need to chip in and show our commitment to Tesla. My home has a 200 amp service and I am not sure I can take two Teslas charging at the same time. But seriously considering convincing the missus to give up the BMW for a four wheel drive model 3, later this year. My hope is she will take over the model3 and hand-me-down the bimmer to me.
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Alternatively, Tesla could fulfill the promise it already made to the thousands of pre-orders and... I dunno... actually fulfill those orders before making announcements of the new hotness.
It makes no sense to me that they have 2 'custom' cars in the S and X. They've got serious mass-production problems with the 3 - to the point where I'm glad I didn't pre-order since I wouldn't want to be one of the fools expecting it mid-2017 and not get it until 2019. Now they are making waves about a new update on a car
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Alternatively, Tesla could fulfill the promise it already made to the thousands of pre-orders....
What makes you think it's not? A poster above noted that he had the option to take his pre-order now, or wait on the dual motor version for later this year. I'm not sure how you made the jump between "new options available" to "not going to make pre-ordered cars".
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My point is really about the psychology of people who put themselves on a queue to receive an early production vehicle. Tesla isn't exactly noted for its high quality control. Compound that with a stupidly ambitious & unachievable launch schedule and it guaranteed the early vehicles would have proble
Lies, damned lies, and VIN registrations (Score:2)
Then in February, Tesla registered a new batch of Model 3 VINs, including two dozen Model 3 VINs with the dual motor powertrain. It raised Model 3 reservation holders' hope that the new configuration could soon become available, but now Musk confirmed that it is still a few months away in a series of tweets last night.
This sort of thing is a perfect example of why I crack up every time someone cites VIN registrations as anything resembling a reasonable proxy of Model 3 production rates. A vehicle corresponding to a given VIN need not be produced in a particularly tight time frame, and, more importantly, need not be produced at all. It's beyond question at this point that Elon [ab]uses the registration process as a PR lever.