Japan Moves To Ease Aging Drivers Out of Their Cars (nytimes.com) 135
As Japan's population ages, so do its drivers. Japan has the oldest population in the world, with nearly 28 percent of its residents above 65 years old. One in seven people are over 75. In the United States, by comparison, that figure is closer to one in 16. From a report: According to data compiled by Japan's national police agency, drivers between 16 and 24 are more likely to cause traffic accidents than any other age group. But last year, drivers over 75 caused twice as many fatal accidents per 100,000 drivers as those under that age. Among drivers over 80 years old, the rate was three times as high as for drivers under that age. The news media regularly features grisly reports of deaths caused by older drivers, some of whom are later discovered to have Alzheimer's disease.
Since 2009, all drivers 75 and older must submit to a test of their cognitive functioning when they renew their licenses [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled], typically once every three years. Under a new traffic law that took effect in March 2017, those who score poorly are sent to a doctor for examination, and if they are found to have dementia, the police can revoke their licenses. More than 33,000 drivers who took the cognitive test last year showed what the police deemed to be signs of cognitive impairment and were ordered to see a doctor. The police revoked just over 1,350 licenses after doctors diagnosed dementia.
Since 2009, all drivers 75 and older must submit to a test of their cognitive functioning when they renew their licenses [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled], typically once every three years. Under a new traffic law that took effect in March 2017, those who score poorly are sent to a doctor for examination, and if they are found to have dementia, the police can revoke their licenses. More than 33,000 drivers who took the cognitive test last year showed what the police deemed to be signs of cognitive impairment and were ordered to see a doctor. The police revoked just over 1,350 licenses after doctors diagnosed dementia.
Re:Good luck with that (Score:4, Funny)
Addicts get awfully cranky whenever you try to cure them of their addiction!
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It depends. You offering or asking?
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At least until you wind up killing a toddler because, after all, you have a right a drive in your dotage; then you can spend the rest of your misery in the clink and the toddler gets to not grow up and have a life.
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A more moderate version would be that cars give people mobility and that is worth a lot. Therefore the threshold for allowing people to drive should be as low as possible and a modest increase in death toll should be allowed. It's always tempting to put the bar as high as possible because it's good for the traffic deaths, but you have to balance it.
A way to shift the balance then is to take in account driving aids: autopilot/lane assist/collision detection etc allow the driver to act more competently, so yo
Transport does not require cars (Score:5, Insightful)
A more moderate version would be that cars give people mobility and that is worth a lot. Therefore the threshold for allowing people to drive should be as low as possible and a modest increase in death toll should be allowed
That's frankly an idiotic suggestion. If we want mobility it doesn't have to come in the form of a car. Heaven forbid we have a public transit system that doesn't suck. Stop thinking cars are the only possibility and the answers become obvious.
EVERYONE should have to take driving tests that are harder than the current ones and there should be a cognitive function test to go with them. If you cannot physically/mentally react fast enough to safely operate a motor vehicle then you should not have a license.
It's always tempting to put the bar as high as possible because it's good for the traffic deaths, but you have to balance it.
No you really do not have to balance it. You simply have to recognize that we've designed our infrastructure too heavily on the false presumption that anyone above the age of 16 is physically and mentally capable of driving a car. This is obviously and manifestly not true and therefore is stupid policy. The answer is to build our transport system to rely less on the presumption that everyone can drive. Public transit, subsidized taxi service, housing relocation assistance, etc. If this requires people to give up their car fetish and self indulgent assumption of a "right" to drive then so much the better.
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You assume
- you don't understand the suggestion so it must be idiotic
- the public transit system does not suck
- people drive cars because they have a car fetish
- we should design the public transit system so that it does not suck anymore.
I agree with the last statement.
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1. I think you two agree more than you realize. Both want a better public transit system so that is something significant.
2. The car fetish is less prevalent than you think and less so with the younger generation (of which I think neither of you are). Kids (people under 25) nowadays are pretty content with catching an Uber (or more commonly I've observed in L.A. a Lyft), even relatively poor kids who work at Starbucks and the like. I fully expect my pre-teens to never have to learn how to drive, due to s
Re: Transport does not require cars (Score:2)
If we actually prioritized safety over practicality and freedom, then driving would be handled by professionals. Regular people should not be able to drive and put everyone in danger.
But we don't prioritize safety over practicality and freedom, because that would be idiotic.
Reasonable standards (Score:4, Insightful)
If we actually prioritized safety over practicality and freedom, then driving would be handled by professionals.
Nonsense. Stop making perfect the enemy of good. A large majority of the people can handle driving a car with reasonable safety. But doing so requires a certain standard of physical and mental ability to do it safely. One of the problems of growing older is that many people experience mental decline and slowing of reaction times. Other people for reasons beyond their control (genetics, disease, accidents, etc) never achieve this level of function. People in this category should not be driving under any circumstances because they are a hazard to themselves and those around them. Right now we have frankly set the bar too low. It's too easy to get a drivers license and we do not retest at reasonable intervals. I've seen far too many people who are able to retain their driver's license long beyond when they should.
But we don't prioritize safety over practicality and freedom, because that would be idiotic.
Idiotic is letting someone who is CLEARLY dangerous and incapable of safe operation drive. Drunk, senile, etc. If we let people who are clearly unable to operate a motor vehicle with a reasonable standard of performance then we are idiots.
Re: Reasonable standards (Score:2)
Pretty sure it was you making perfect the enemy of good when you handily dismissed the idea of valuing driving as "idiotic".
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"Right now we have frankly set the bar too low."
Prove it.
"I've seen far too many people who are able to retain their driver's license long beyond when they should."
I doubt it. Far more likely you haven't graduated high school yet.
"Drunk, senile, etc. If we let people who are clearly unable to operate a motor vehicle with a reasonable standard of performance then we are idiots."
Are you asserting that we let people drive drunk? Who's the idiot here?
Re: Transport does not require cars (Score:2)
The type of community you're describing probaly only applies to 1% of populated territory in the U.S. Hand waving away the people living outside big cities is a GIANT wave in describing day-to-day freedom of mobility for most of America.
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"You simply have to recognize that we've designed our infrastructure too heavily on the false presumption that anyone above the age of 16 is physically and mentally capable of driving a car. This is obviously and manifestly not true and therefore is stupid policy. "
None of those statements is true, nor is your "manifestly" absolutist point of view interesting or insightful. We didn't "design our infrastructure", it has evolved over time with increasing understanding of safety based on enormous evidence of
Hopefully ... (Score:2)
Japan Moves To Ease Aging Drivers Out of Their Cars
They'll do it better than in Georgia [washingtonpost.com] ...
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Where is the "Sad but true" mod? Underrated?
Also, this bullshit happened down the street from my office. Asshole cops around here have nothing to do but issue minor traffic citations. Did you hear the officer who swore at the old lady resigned and in his resignation complained that he didn't think he'd receive a fair investigation? What a douche...
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u... [nbcnews.com]
This might be more what you are thinking of...
Fun with normalization (Score:4, Interesting)
"But last year, drivers over 75 caused twice as many fatal accidents per 100,000 drivers as those under that age. Among drivers over 80 years old, the rate was three times as high as for drivers under that age."
Yes, that does make some sense. But are we talking about 200000 drivers, 2000, or 2? And "twice as many" is how many, exactly? Also, what percentage of people in that age bracket still drive?
Telling us the rate "per 100000 drivers" without context doesn't actually explain how large or small the problem is. It just tells us that any particular older driver is more likely to cause a crash than any particular younger driver.
Re:Fun with normalization (Score:5, Informative)
Did you not even read the summary? It gives you a lower bound.
"More than 33,000 drivers who took the cognitive test last year"
That means more than 33,000 drivers 75 years or older, because that's how many failed the screening test and were referred to a doctor.
That's also only those who had to take the test, which is only required once every 3 years.
From TFA:
"An additional 460,000 older drivers showed slight impairment of their cognitive functions, based on their performance on the test, but were allowed to keep their licenses if they took a three-hour traffic safety course."
That's half a million drivers who either failed or showed slight impairment in 1 year on a test only required every 3 years for >= 75 years old.
That's 1.5 million dodgy or failed results. There must be many times that who passed the test, so we're not talking 200000 drivers, we're talking millions.
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The entire point of "per 100,000 drivers" is to normalize the data so you're not comparing the raw numbers but the rate of fatal accidents in each population....
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RTFA? Heresy!
Not just Japan (Score:5, Insightful)
Many US states have stepped up testing and medical requirements for people over 75.The older you get, the more frequently you must take a driving test.
The Japanese have just put a more specific requirement on it.
Re:Not just Japan (Score:5, Insightful)
As someone born in Aug of 1928 that has never had an accident, I think this is unfair. I first got my divers license in 1942 when I was 14, I have never even gotten a speeding ticket. I know I'm a safer driver than millennials.
So you take the test and pass and continue driving until time to repeat the test. You're either still capable or not.
Re:Not just Japan (Score:4, Insightful)
>"As someone born in Aug of 1928 that has never had an accident, I think this is unfair. I first got my divers license in 1942 when I was 14, I have never even gotten a speeding ticket. I know I'm a safer driver than millennials."
You are 89 years old and posting on Slashdot? Hmmm....
In any case, what is not "fair" about a driving test? I don't know ANY 90-year-olds who can drive safely. And the majority in their 80's who are very poor drivers. Do you think driving ability gets BETTER with extreme age? You think as reaction time slows and vision and hearing gets poor and confusion sets in that somehow driving ability remains the same? Or is aging just unfair?
Or perhaps this is just a silly hoax posting (by an "anonymous coward") to stir the pot...
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"I want to die like my grandfather did...in his sleep. Not screaming like the passengers in his car." :-P
RRK
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There are millions of millennials that have never had an accident either.
The facts though, are in Japan, per kilometer driven, drivers over 65 kill twice as many people as drivers under 25. Despite them only having had their license since they turned 18 and the old people have had theirs for decades.
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As someone born in Aug of 1928 that has never had an accident, I think this is unfair. I first got my divers license in 1942 when I was 14, I have never even gotten a speeding ticket. I know I'm a safer driver than millennials.
Well keep taking the test to show that. Most 90 year olds can barely keep their skin attached let alone drive.
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One time on a highway a slow moving old man decided to change lanes. My mom had nowhere to go but off into the shoulder/grass to avoid being hit. She honked but the car never even braked and I'm pretty sure he'd claim he is a good driver; never had a speeding ticket or been in an accident.
So my "data" cancels your "data".
Self-assessment of driving skills may not be the best approach.
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I have never even gotten a speeding ticket.
Of course you haven't. You're driving 10+ under the speed limit. That's the problem.
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Yes, here in Illinois at 75, you have to take a full driver's test (written, driving, and vision) test, and your license must be renewed every 2 years. At 89, it becomes every year.
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We should adopt this nationwide. I mean, State-by-State, because, State's Rights!
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Although in retrospect, it should be every year starting at 80. Make the first test every year free, so it isn't a financial burden for the elderly, they already have enough issues with the fucked social net previous generations foisted on us. Oh snap! They did it to themselves!
I thought they were replaced with robots (Score:2)
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Even in the smaller cities like Sapporo, public transit coverage does drop off some and cars go from being completely unnecessary to a nice-to-have. Then you get out into the rural areas, which is what this article is talking about. Some places will see a bus to the next town once an hour, or a train to the nearest major city 2-3 times a day. Out there, private transportation is just as important as it is in Omaha, Nebraska.
Unlike the US... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Unlike the US... (Score:4, Informative)
While I do agree with you, the article specifically mentions people who live in rural parts of Japan, where there is no public transportation.
Re:Unlike the US... (Score:4, Informative)
What makes it worse, as you go further out from the cities the percentage of elderly population gets higher too, with some towns over 50%.
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The obvious conclusion is that people in those areas are aging nearly twice as fast as people living in cities. Further, we can conclude that pollution actually extends lifespan.
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You have to bury them too or they get a bit smelly.
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No, that's an overgeneralization. If you go far out enough in Japan, you will need a car to get around. In the US, there are plenty of cities with no or insufficient public transport.
96% false positives (Score:1)
More than 33000 drivers were sent to be examined, but of those only "just over" 1350 were found to be sufficiently impaired to have their license revoked. That means that 96% of the time, the police are identifying the wrong people. It would be interesting to know the rate of false negatives: How many impaired drivers are not being flagged in encounters with the police?
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It's a screening test, designed to be performed by people who are not doctors.
It's supposed favour false positives and minimise false negatives. Failing the test simply means you need a proper test.
Like the eye test machines some counties have. I fail them everytime, and every time I have to get a certificate from an optometrist that says I have good enough vision to drive without glasses.
Also like the breath tests police conduct for driving under the influence, the machine you talk into while sitting in yo
Give them free mass transit (Score:2)
Give them free mass transit
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That'll work great in the rural towns where there is no public transport and the elderly population exceeds 50%
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In my experience it's people who live close to the city who don't benefit from extending public transport who complain the most.
The actual reason these rural communities have poor public transport is because of their low population density. No one is going to use a bus route that either a) doesn't stop anywhere near their house; or b) stops near everyone's house so takes them 2 hours to get to the shops.
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No one is going to use a bus route that either a) doesn't stop anywhere near their house; or b) stops near everyone's house so takes them 2 hours to get to the shops.
Some cities let people call for a pickup and then they send a van around to sweep up people by request. That way it only goes where it has to go. In Japan they can manage to sort their recycling so perhaps they are also responsible enough for that.
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The actual reason these rural communities have poor public transport is because of their low population density. No one is going to use a bus route that either a) doesn't stop anywhere near their house; or b) stops near everyone's house so takes them 2 hours to get to the shops.
Note that for a lot of elderly going to a public bus stop is already too high a burden, particularly if they need to carry something. Here around our cabin I notice they have like a bus/taxi hybrid, you pre-order and they take a round collecting people and then you get a few hours in the town center before they pick you up and do a similar drop-off round. I think that kind of door-to-door service works better for retirees than a scheduled route.
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That's because it's a private taxi company trying to make a profit.
I think what the other post is getting at is a public transport service based on shuttle buses, subsidised like other public transport is. Cheaper and more effective than running empty busses around bus stops that are too far from where people live for anyone to walk to.
There are solutions (Score:2)
That'll work great in the rural towns where there is no public transport and the elderly population exceeds 50%
Then they have a choice to either move or work to install alternatives to cars. Instead of paying for cars we could pool together to have a subsidized taxi service for cases like these. The assumption that we should indulge them in the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle because the current public transit options suck is idiotic.
I don't understand this whining that we can't do anything that would change the status quo.
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This is important (Score:3)
Absent safe and affordable self-driving cars that can handle senile users (rambling, contradictions, references to old landmarks, etc.), we have to find a way to transition old drivers in every country.
My Dad was stubbornly holding on to driving despite failing vision and increased confusion, the police stopped him driving down the highway the wrong way. Nothing happened, but the next day, they suspended his license.
There should be a better way than waiting for "driving in the wrong lane", for example.
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Everyone should be tested (Score:4, Interesting)
There should be a better way than waiting for "driving in the wrong lane", for example.
There is but we're too much of a bunch of self indulgent asshats to do it. The answer is EVERYONE should have to retest routinely (say every 3-5 years) and the test should actually be challenging to pass in a sense similar to a pilot's license. (doens't have to be as hard as a pilots license but it should be a lot harder than it is and include cognitive function testing and a physical exam) Do something stupid like drive drunk and your license gets revoked on the first offense because you have clearly demonstrated you cannot handle the responsibility. If you are getting older and lose the ability to cognitively react fast enough and properly while driving, that should result in your license being suspended. I don't see why that should even be controversial. Simple fact is that you become dangerous when that happens. I expect/hope I live long enough it happens to me someday.
Unfortunately we've designed far too much of our infrastructure around a presumed ability and "right" to drive a car so the other half of this is that we would have to actually invest in decent public transit for those who are unable to pass the test. I don't actually see this as a bad thing. A good public transit system is something worthwhile. If we need to have subsidized access to taxis (or Uber/Lyft) for those unable to drive themselves then let's do that or something similar. Probably some people to assist the elderly and disabled who need a little extra help getting around. Heaven forbid we actually act to help those who need a little extra assistance.
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"The answer is EVERYONE should have to retest routinely (say every 3-5 years) and the test should actually be challenging to pass in a sense similar to a pilot's license. "
Prove it. Testing every driver every 3-5 years would be enormously expensive and you can cite NO evidence that it would make a meaningful improvement in safety.
"If you are getting older and lose the ability to cognitively react fast enough and properly while driving, that should result in your license being suspended. I don't see why tha
Examinations are a joke (Score:2)
That's horrible (Score:1)
So they are rounding up the elderly and forcing them to do a battery of tests. The first test is apparently very easy to fail and has a HUGE false positive rate (96%).
I get what they want to do here, but that's a bullshit way to do it. Imagine if 96% of people who took a breathalyser test had a "drunk" reading, but it turns out when they get to the station and do the real test they're more sober than Bill W?
Improve the first test to get the false positive rate below at least 50%, preferably under 10%.
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That's because the breathalyser doesn't measure the person's ability to drive. It measures their breath alcohol concentration.
460,000 people passed the test, 33,000 failed. 1350 had their licenses suspended. That's about 32,000 false positives out of about 500,000 people. 6.5% false positive, well under your 10% benchmark.
Re: Age discrimination of young and old is repulsi (Score:1)
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Age discrimination of young and old over "safety" related arguments is repulsive. People were once free to travel anywhere they liked without the permission of governments. The idea that safety is so much more important than the population's right to travel is disgusting. And don't go tell me how its a privileged and not a right. It's been understood that people have an inalienable right to travel and the courts reckless disregard for that right has resulted in all sorts of discriminations and tragedies that mostly have no significant impact on safety- but it's an irrelevant argument to me because no amount of improved "safety" can justify the restriction on peoples rights to live outside of a repressive regime.
While the famous Ben Franklin's quote below may be understood out of context to mean something that was not intended it is that interpretation that sums up nicely what I believe:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
The young are discriminated against and hindered from gaining the skills needed to drive safely and this results in less experienced older drivers. By increasing the age you end up in a never-ending-cycle and argument for increasing the driving age. You can continue this up to and past age 28 because of "brain development". It's ridiculous when you can't hire a kid out of college because the state demands a year of experience with a parent or other adult before they can drive. This has literally prevented me from hiring numerous young persons out of college! At least until I moved my business out of an insane state with this requirement.
Then there are laws in other states where they suspend peoples drivers licenses for "crimes" or debts that have nothing to do with safety and safety isn't even why we have drivers licenses. It was bigotry back in the early 1900s against motor vehicle owners and up until the late 1960s there were even states that had no testing of drivers either oral or road to get a drivers license.
One example of a "crime" that is punished via the restriction of ones driving "privileged" is a NY law that applies to juveniles only (or did) that says if you are caught committing a graffiti crime that you will be prevented from getting a drivers license for a number of years after you otherwise would be able to get one. This doesn't apply to an adult who commits the very same crime! In theory we're suppose to be more lenient with minors and yet frequently the opposite is true. It's a more serious crime or only a crime in many states for a young person to smoke weed- but it's either legal or merely a violation for an adult to do the same thing!
Another group that is discriminated against via drivers licenses suspensions that has nothing to do with safety are people indebted to the state for child support. You might think "Good." because those people are costing us money. The problem with this thinking is a lot of these people didn't even know they had a child because mothers have denied that these kids are the father of the father. When it finally comes out that a father is in fact the father and should have been paying child support the debts to the state (to reimburse the state for welfare basically) have there drivers licenses suspended. Not everybody has 20 or 30 thousand dollars to cover the costs the moment it is decided in court that they are the father and in debt to the state. It's entirely unreasonable for a person to be made to pay on the day of the court ruling that kind of money to the state else face a suspended drivers license. And it doesn't even make sense because you are not hindering that father from employment that would enable him to repay that debt. It's another form of debtors prison that even the British understood hundreds of years ago was a bad idea- and so it was abolished- but not here in the good ol USA.
Then there are laws that discriminate against old people rather than incapable drivers. There are lots of people that are not old that also are bad drivers. To selectively target the aging should be criminal. I'm not in favor of drivers licenses period, but so long as they exist we should not discriminate like this. Everybody who can pass a drivers test should be able to get a license and drive without restrictions. There will always be people who shouldn't be driving on the road because the testing is incapable of stopping people from being unsafe who are competent to pass even the most stringent of driving tests!
Ticketing and courts are also a poor answer to keeping potentially dangerous people off the roads because they unfairly punish people who drive more. Ultimately we all commit infractions every time we drive. It's just a fact. Give a cop 20 miles and he will find something to ticket you for, but more often than not he won't even need that. 50% of the cars on the roads are violating frame laws in many states because every car off a dealers lot has a frame put over the license plate. It's a $50 fine in NJ. Technically its not illegal to have a frame, but frames by there nature partially cover the lettering of the words of the state and any coverings of the lettering is a crime in NJ.
I think a better solution is to accept that people will drive poorly and to encourage people to drive better. Tickets are not the answer and don't make people drive better. They merely generate revenue for the state and cities and that is something that disproportionately and negatively impacts the poor. It does nothing of consequence to make us safer and as I said it's irrelevant even if it did in my view.
TL:DR but you still have the right to travel, it's called walking.
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There's a comment worthy of the modern /.er. Say something stupid immediately after acknowledging you can't be bothered to read.
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TL;DR -offtopic rant, possibly from a libertarian, I didn't read enough of the overlong post to conclude that with any degree of confidence. Recommendation? would not bother with.
How many of them are really alive? (Score:1)
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Yeah, I'm assuming the mummies are failing the driving tests when they go in, and nobody is noticing that they're mummies...
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Well, if they're dead, they won't show up for the test, so at least they'll have their driving license revoke.
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Hopefully no Smart Young Thing decides to crack down on pension abuse by using the DMV database and suddenly you have a situation where elderly who gave up their license stop receiving their pension cheques as someone decided they are dead as there is no record of them in DMV databases for the last 5 years. You might think this is ridiculous but given the stupid SQL statements I have seen to run reports this is not impossible.
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It's one of the rare occasions where the Japanese willfully break the law. It is considered morally OK because it balances out the useless land problem:
1. Old rural person dies.
2. Next of kin living in $BigCity inherits useless rural plot of land, and annoyingly, the tax burden on said land.
3. No one wants to buy the useless plot of land, and there is no mechanism for abandoning the land. Until every last member of your family line dies, that land will have its taxes collected from whoever is still alive
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You're saying I could move to Japan, buy land cheap and live in a nice rural area for next-to-nothing? I thought I was going to retire in Thailand but Japan might work too.
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There was a big scandal some time ago when a family did not register a death of the old man to continue collecting the pension checks.
Well if they are not alive that's even more reason that they should not drive.
Not particularly unique ... (Score:3)
I'm in Canada. Doctors are required by law to report any medical condition that may affect one's ability to operate a motor vehicle, and such a report triggers an immediate suspension of your driving license. (Driving while Suspended carries the same penalties as Impaired Driving).
In my case, at age 57, due to a mix of medication my doctor prescribed me, I began experiencing dizzy spells. Combined with low blood pressure (which is actually good, as you age, but when I was a young adult I would get a dizzy spell for about 1~3 seconds if I stood up quickly from a seating position) I fell and hit my head while in the doctor's office, and he sent the report (and paid for a taxi home for me).
Now my Driver's License is pretty much exactly like how all Pilot's Licenses work ... it's dependent on a medical. I take the medical every year (the licensing agency pays the fee to the doctor) and if I pass (I always do) then I can renew my Driver's for a year. This will never go away; I will be doing this for the rest of my life.
Note that the medical also includes a vision test, which I also always pass (20:20 & 15:20), but should I fail then there would be a requirement to get another medical from an optometrist, and I know many drivers who cannot see as well as I can and don't wear corrective lenses. But they don't need a medical to drive.
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I had a similar situation because I passed out and had a seizure. Eventually I got a doctor who got me the right diagnosis, I had blacked out from lack of oxygen (due to friend having fallen asleep on top of me) when I stood up quickly, then I hit my head on the floor and seized. Impact seizure, not a recurring or chronic problem so I became normal again. :-). My problem came because the ambulance got called and the paramedics reported it.
Nice try (Score:2)
" those who score poorly are sent to a doctor for examination, and if they are found to have dementia, "
If they have dementia, they will forget that appointment anyway.
Autonomous Cars (Score:2)
In Japan. When?
Given their love of robots, I'd say that this is a no-brainer.
Hey now! I'm an aging driver! (Score:1)
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We're all aging drivers. If a cute Japanese female comes to take me out of my car and helps me burn off energy so I can fall asleep, I would not be at all displeased.
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I'm not sure how revoking a dementia patient's license is going to help, it's not like they're going to know they aren't supposed to drive.
I've known a few people who lost their license due to dementia. None were so far gone that they didn't understand and most got rid of their cars.
Here in BC, you start having to be retested at 70 or so depending when the license expires IIRC.
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You probably don't know any women, as this is not a common experience. It sounds like you are living in a fantasy world, or do you live in Saudi Arabia?