Facebook Asks British Users To Submit Their Nudes as Protection Against Revenge Porn (betanews.com) 303
Mark Wilson writes: Following on from a trial in Australia, Facebook is rolling out anti-revenge porn measures to the UK. In order that it can protect British users from failing victim to revenge porn, the social network is asking them to send in naked photos of themselves. The basic premise of the idea is: send us nudes, and we'll stop others from seeing them
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Ok (Score:5, Funny)
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I hope they don't charge that much for the dataset on silkroad 3.1
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I am sure there will be a few FB employees who will enjoy looking through the new FB p0rn collection.
Why can't FB issue a utility to the users to process their own images and generate a hash for the images they don't want shown?
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this negates the "new FB p0rn collection"
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"Due to a software bug, some of the nude pictures have accidentally been stored as plain jpg instead of hashes. If you are on this list of a billion users, your images may have been compromised. We deeply apologize and have taken steps to ensure this doesn't happen again."
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According to TFA, there are some FB employees who will be looking at a lot of naked pictures. A lot of naked pictures!
Speaking to the BBC, Antigone Davis, Facebook's Global Head of Safety, said that nudes would be reviewed by human employees, but that this was "a very small group of about five specially trained reviewers". Images would then be hashed, and originals would not be stored.
So I guess Zuckerberg is one of those "reviewers"? Probably he is not a "first reviewer", he only reviews the really good ones, "just to be sure".
And then FB will have hashes of all the really good naked bodies. I am sure some useful data mining can be done with that.
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The problem is facebooks nipple ban upset a lot of breastfeeding moms
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The problem is facebooks nipple ban upset a lot of breastfeeding moms
So what? Sure it's a perfectly natural thing but so is taking a shit.
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It gets better and better. It's unlikely to be optimal for decades.
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Getting everyone to send in nude photos of themselves in the most logic solution to the problem.
Not really, no.
Lets be honest be biggest problem with revenge porn is the people exposed are not the clean living innocents they pretend to be,
Again, not really, no.
the moral mature people they want you to believe they are as the seduce you and empty out your assets.
WTF you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about something...
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Instead of deleting nudes images of you based upon nude image of you, simply publish the nude image and you have nothing left to hide, unless of course you are a slut trying to pretend you are not one because you are working you next victim to clean out.
Privacy is a human right. I bet you have curtains in your home. Why? (if you have nothing to hide.....)
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Why can't FB issue a utility to the users to process their own images and generate a hash for the images they don't want shown?
... and someone will start submitting hashes of pictures that embarrass a politician they like and for pictures that show a politician from the other party in a favorable way. Unfettered access to Facebook's ban hammer.
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Why can't FB issue a utility to the users to process their own images and generate a hash for the images they don't want shown?
Comparing hashes would only find exact duplicates. Just crop two pixels to the left, or make the image slightly darker or lighter would break the hash. Heck, even changing the metadata would break most hashes.
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So, you work for Facebook, right?
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I don't see how anything could go wrong with this plan!
Project director Benjamin Hill promises to personally evaluate and rank each female image. The male images will be used as bargaining chips in Hill's plan.
He further vowed to develop a version of the show, edited for US audiences, for BBC America.
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Project director Benjamin Hill promises to personally evaluate and rank each female image.
Isn't that what facebook was originally made for? It's come full circle.
I think that's the idea (Score:5, Interesting)
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That definitely wouldn't fly in a UK court.
Re:I think that's the idea (Score:4, Insightful)
...they tell the judge "Your Honor (or whatever they call them in the UK),
It's still your honour but spelt right. ;)
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All the other users don't indeed need to bother.
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Redistribution of Sex (Score:2, Insightful)
Asking for nude photos to prevent nude photos from being posted is the second most audacious demand on the internet recently.
The first one was when incels and Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.
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Are you stating this because you heard or read someone say so or do you fabricate stuff like this on your own?
Slashdot is _really_ going downhill when post like yours gets modded +4.
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No, he didn't demand it. He did something much worse: he excused it. He tried to create an intellectual and moral framework where such a demand is something natural instead of sociopathic. Fortunately, he lacks the intellectual firepower to do either and just made a fool of himself.,
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I can assure you that he do not have the oppinion you assume on this matter.
Funny how haters always link to some article with someone else posing a straw man.
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Everyone is allowed to, but no one owes anyone else a shag. Having sex is not a right or entitlement. It may be a strong desire but it's not a necessity. If you aren't getting any there's only one person to blame - you. No one owes anyone sex no matter who you are.
Re: Redistribution of Sex (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't understand why so many men think they are exempt from the forces of natural selection. If you're fat and ugly and don't have a brain capable of making yourself appeal to women you're not really entitled to any sex unless you pay for it.
About 1 in 5 women will give me a curious glance to suggest they're interested. Initiating contact often complicates this as they assess whether they think we are compatible in outlook and goals. The biggest turn off is moving too fast and being too keen. Whether soci
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Fine advice, but all you are doing is re-arranging the queue. The basic problem, in the West at least, is that there are far more men wanting sex than there are women wanting (or willing to have) sex. Feminism, equal pay, and predominantly male immigration have seen to that, plus the nowadays social acceptablity of single women having a child (or two) and then giving up any further relationships at a relatively early age - while the father is back in the dating scene the very next day..
These days young gu
Re: Redistribution of Sex (Score:2)
Women like sex as much or more than men.
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Women like sex as much or more than men.
And maybe not as often.
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Then why is Sexual assault predominantly men assaulting women? If the drive were equal, I would expect there to be a roughly equal amount of harassment going in both directions. The data simply does not support that assertion
The data is self-reported and subject to pressures that skew that reporting. You cannot blindly accept that the absence of data, say for prosecutions, represents the reality of actual offences. That is not to say that is does not reflect reality, just that you need to be careful generalising.
I see two aspects at play here. First, perhaps sexual assault is not about the sexual act but more about the feeling of power the assaulter gains. In that circumstance desire for sexual intercourse, which is likely
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I have been in that situation. I tried to report, and was laughed at from every station along the way until i gave up in frustration. Statements like "man up", "just ignore it", "what do you want, she's a good looking one?" were given along the way. I can fully understand why victims of assault don't report, because the shame that gets heaped on you is astounding.
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TLDR: Males sexually assault not because they "want sex more" but because more men are of the opinion that they're owed sex and decide that assault is an OK way to get it. Women who want sex and can't get it rarely think that assaulting someone is the way to fix that issue.
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Ok, I'm bored and you get to lose as a result.
See "Male privelage."
Assuming you mean 'male privilege' I'm really not sure what the privilege of dying young, getting fucked over by the legal system and being treated by society as a disposable resource has to do with this.
The sex drive in males and females may be equal.
It's not. Sex drive is significantly impacted by testosterone and oestrogen, which is one reason men drinking soy latte are less likely to procreate.
But in our society, men are taught, conditioned, and exposed to influences from an early age that teaches many of them that sex is owed, or expected.
No, they are not. Unless America is so fucking far diverged from Europe that it's an entirely different culture.
M
Re: Redistribution of Sex (Score:4, Interesting)
I gather, vaguely, that when humanity was just tribes, it was a significant advance to start to focus on a stable family unit. But part of that was oppressing womens' sexuality, along with every other natural impulse. Eventually the whole matter of impulse control became the core theme of the monotheistic religions, which allowed the construction of empires out of disparate tribes. But after the Western enlightenment, and arguably, in Eastern countries where monotheism didn't hold, the freedom of the individual started to be more important, and so a return to the question of, how to integrate natural impulses and desires, without crushing the life out of them in puritanical obsessions. Also, historically, matriarchy got flushed out by patriarchy, what with the division of labour which occurred with agriculture. So we have a lot of baggage. And we have post-modern baggage, as post modernity arose largely in literary circles, where things like physics and biology are not really seen as relevant, then the post modern notion that EVERYTHING is a mere cultural and literary construct, has created the meme that all gender and sex is merely a construct, a construct which is exploited for power grabs, and that's the sort of cultural marxist critique of well, everything. So it is a topic laden with baggage all the way down the ages. Perhaps in a hundred years, once we are all free to be ourselves, and free of historical dogmas, and free of post modern dogmas, we'll truly be able to answer questions about what is natural.
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Back in the 50s there was immense pressure for women to find a husband, have children and stay with him no matter how abusive he turned out to be.
Women's lib changed that. It's a good thing. Men have to actually be good people and good husbands now, instead of relying on social stigma to force a woman to accept them.
Peterson wants to go back to the social pressure model. Maybe even legal enforcement, he is a bit vague on the details.
A better solution is to start teaching boys how to behave better. Better ro
Re: Redistribution of Sex (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll bite for the sake of it.
1. Women want and have sex just as much as men. The issue is they only want to have sex upper men.
2. The issue of 'monogamy' allowing distribution of women which has the side impact of reducing crazy aggression is not much different than other arguments. Ever heard someone say... society has to handle economic inequality because if inequality gets too high, people riot, kidnap, steal... and society breaks down. It's pretty much the same argument except in one you're 'robbing someone of their labor' and in the other you're 'controlling someone of their sexuality'.
3. This is just more personal advice than anything. Don't bother with complaining about women. And if you're a women reading this... don't complain about men. Both sexes are who they are and there's enough difference in both genders that chances are, it's you that's the problem. So even if we take all of your observations are 'true'. You believe that women today go for how entertaining a guy is. Alright... that's the hand us guys are dealt according to you. So the advice should be for guys to work on being more entertaining. Even if you think it's shallow... do it to 'rope' her in then show her all the rest of your amazing self. Same with girls... if they think men only care about looks. If that's what they think... then put in the work to look good... then show the guy the real value of your character.... For such an important life choice and purpose to life, most of the people don't put in the kind of work. And it's not that hard work. Get a good haircut, take care of yourself... You don't need to be The Rock or Arnold or Tom Cruise here, but do the basics which take up almost no time, and you'll be able to attract someone. I'm almost 35, and I'm only now looking right. I got married before this, but I look at myself now, and think... shit... I coulda had so many girl all my life if I just put in an hour a week. I do what I do now mainly for work. Sharp haircut, decent clothes... little workout. I spent more time browsing online profiles and stuff before this.
Just do something anything... to make yourself happy. I suffered pretty severe depression or what you call it in my mid 20s, feeling like I was stuck and society was screwed up. I'd never take it out on society like these incels people, but I could have given up on life. I look at myself back then and realize... I could have done so much.
Heck, even if you have no skills with women and you want sex... take a trip overseas and go to thailand. I don't mean that jokingly... I seriously wish I had done that. I had a good job? Do something.
This is probably shitty advice at some level, but take it within the context of what I'm saying. Give up on politics. Give up on society. You're not that powerful or skilled to change it. Get out of your systems thinking head of what is wrong with society and how to arrange it properly. I spent way too much time in my head like that and still do. Just friggin live your life and do things.You'll actually become more capable of actually changing things if you do.
Re:Redistribution of Sex (Score:5, Insightful)
Vice can be entertaining. (search for the 'Columbian donkey fuckers')
The mistake Ratzo makes, is believing what he wants to be true, same as always.
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The mistake Ratzo makes, is believing what he wants to be true, same as always.
Ah looks like we found the incel!
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Since you said, "please", here you go:
Elliot Rodger, the Isla Vista killer, uploaded a video to YouTube about his “retribution” against attractive women who wouldn’t sleep with him (and the attractive men they would sleep with) before killing six people in 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
And this is directly from Robin Hanson's blog:
Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous (Score:5, Insightful)
You made the following explicit claim (emphasis added):
You provided the following links, neither of which mention Jordan Peterson:
You mention 'Robin Hanson's blog' but did not provide any link. Assuming you meant the following link from one of the articles, it does not mention Jordan Peterson either:
So you have not provided any citation where Jordan Peterson is even mentioned, let alone that he specifically "demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders". Apparently your sources refer to "incels" for the first part of your claim, but the second part is unsubstantiated by the citations:
One could assert in a similar manner that "Donald Trump and PopeRatzo bragged about grabbing women by the pussy" and cite cnn.com with the same level of evidence you as what you had provided: i.e. absolutely none for the second party mentioned, who is never mentioned in any of the linked sources.
So do you have any actual evidence -- specifically an unabridged direct quote of him for the full context -- that Jordan Peterson "demanded that women have sex with [him] to prevent mass murders"?
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His basic idea is that we go back to 50s style social pressure to be monogamous, even to the detriment of women. Women's freedom to leave abusive partners or to have causal relationships would be removed.
He is deliberately vague about what this means in practice, but since it happened before and he hasn't offered any alternatives we can only imagine that's what he wants. He does talk about the 50s in a positive light, along with some bizarre misinformation about lobsters.
In fact he has created a new logical
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Women's freedom to leave abusive partners or to have causal relationships would be removed.
I thought you were in the UK. You really should be more careful about libel laws, unless you can link to evidence Peterson expects, wants, promotes or would even accept that.
He is deliberately vague about what this means in practice, but since it happened before and he hasn't offered any alternatives we can only imagine that's what he wants
It's very telling that you imagine he wants a dystopian outcome, when he hasn't stated that at all.
some bizarre misinformation about lobsters
Holy fuck. Are you Cathy fucking Newman? To which fucking 'bizarre misinformation' are you referring?
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That guy who recently drove a vehicle into a crowd posted "the incel revolution has begun" on Facebook shortly before. He is in fact being prosecuted.
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It is sad when I read the sentence "That guy who recently drove a vehicle into a crowd" and my first reaction is, "Which one?"
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Look elsewhere in the thread. I've already supplied citations.
Who's Running This Company? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Who's Running This Company? (Score:4, Interesting)
Perhaps they should ask for a credit card number (and expiration date / CVS) along with the naked pictures. Just to prove they're over 18. Don't want any child pornography here.
Then it will seem totally legit.
Seen cauliflower ear (Score:2)
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I'm kind of shocked how tone deaf this is.
Tone deaf to whom? The potential users of the system? Or the legal system? I see this as quite a clever move in defence of potential lawsuits.
"Your honour, Facebook was complicit in the distribution of my nudes to my parents!"
"Your honour, I would direct you to the formal system we have in place to prevent exactly this kind of thing from happening which the prosecuting party voluntarily did not use".
April Fools (Score:2)
It must be April, mustn't it? I knew Zuck is a voyeur, but I never expected him to be so obvious about it.
FB should make downloadable tool available to (Score:5, Insightful)
calculate the image hashes.
There are several libraries available to calculate image hashes that can be built into a desktop tool
For example: https://github.com/JohannesBuc... [github.com]
Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to (Score:5, Funny)
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Well that would make an interesting job ad.
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Indeed, it would be very logical to provide such a utility. But...this? I have to wonder, given how audacious it is, if it really is a kind of social experiment, just to see what they can get away with and what they can get people to do? Emperor Tiberius, to test and demonstrate his power over others, would have children jump off his cliffside retreat. Queue in image of Zuckerberg in a Dr. Evil chair with maniacal laugh...
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April Fools is Late This Year (Score:4, Informative)
All of you actually fell for this?
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The Zuck would wish he was blind, if actual /.ers sent him nudes.
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If the point was to make a hash of existing nude photos, to recognize them and prevent them from being distributed, that could be done using an app on the user's own computer without ever transmitting the actual photo to anyone else. But hashes are easy to defeat.
This sounds so half-baked that it's really difficult to believe it's an official communication.
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I believe we've seen this story on Slashdot before [slashdot.org]... so it must be true!
I don't understand this (Score:2)
Does this mean Facebook is a major revenge porn site? Cause the only way Facebook can prevent revenge porn disemination is, if they are the network where it actually happens.
So do I get this right: Facebook is a hotbed of (illegal) revenge porn sharing? And if so, why are they not suppressing that? Why is no AG suing their pants off for billions or give Zuck some much needed jailtime?
Facebook can and does prevent any publication of a picture with a nipple in their precious "timelines" and such, so they obvi
Not the Onion (Score:2)
Facebook now thinks, it's the entire Internet. (Score:2)
What about other websites? Will Facebook share the photos with them too? I would really like to know how many photos they get. I mean serious photos, if that word can be applied to this nonsense.
There is only one solution to revenge porn, and it's not technical. Every day recording devices are smaller and more powerful, the sharing of information easier. That trend is not going to change. So it's us that must change, adapt to new technology as we have ever done.
We will have to just stop caring.
Facebook Dating? (Score:2)
I wonder if this is the beginning of their attempt at Facebook Dating? Or Tinderbook?
why cant he get his porn like normal people (Score:5, Insightful)
Even if you can upload the image to them to "fingerprint" images are often cropped and converted to other image formats and recompressd which fucks that up. So unless they have some super AI that can detect that from a 2nd generation repost this wont work.
Just as a side note if some super porn sniffing AI can do this can I get access to it for purely scientific reasons.
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Even if you can upload the image to them to "fingerprint" images are often cropped and converted to other image formats and recompressd which fucks that up. So unless they have some super AI that can detect that from a 2nd generation repost this wont work.
Depends on the fingerprinting technique. They're not all robust to everything, of course, but things like locality sensitive hashing is somewhat robust to things like recompression or mild cropping.
Facebook confirmed for world-class troll (Score:2)
Someone, please, burn Facebook to the ground, and put Zuckerbergs' head on a pole on their front lawn.
Ultimate Nightmare Scenario (Score:2)
Hacked and disseminated: Scotland's contribution of several million "up-kilt" escalator shots.
Weird Fetish (Score:3)
Recruitment tool (Score:2)
At last (Score:3)
Finally the end game of Zuckerburg's master plan emerges. As with most males, it ended up being a convoluted plan to get terribly quality nude images of women from an internet awash with professionally photographed porn.
Nude Pic Insurance! (Score:2)
Just send me all the nude photos of you and $20 year to me and I will ensure they aren't posted to the internet.
But if you miss a payment well...
I can just see the emails (Score:2)
Right.. (Score:2)
So I a revenge porn posted would have to do would be to open the image in MS Paint and write "slut" or something across part of the image, which they'd do anyway to prevent Facebook from detecting it immediately as nudity.
Nude Money (Score:2)
Suggestion (Score:2)
GDPR (Score:2)
Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n? (Score:5, Informative)
This is *not* intended as a general "send your nudes to Facebook and get them blocked" service. This is for a smaller group of people who have specific reason to believe that specific images are either likely to be circulated, or are already circulating in Facebook Messenger.
For people in this situation, sometimes, having a Facebook admin look at your nude pictures, while much less than ideal, is far less of a problem than letting those pictures circulate to people like your family, friends, and employer. Doing this, or threatening to do so, is a common technique of domestic abuse.
I agree with the critiques that it would be far, far better if you didn't have to send the image itself to Facebook to be hashed, but a) Facebook, not unreasonably, doesn't want the blocking service used for purposes other than that intended, b) the photo hashing technology is proprietary and they don't want it reverse-engineered if they can avoid it, and c) doing the hashing locally is going to create usability issues for users who are often not particularly technology-savvy.
I wouldn't for a minute suggest that this is a perfect system. But take your male middle-class tech geek glasses of for one fucking second and try listening to the people whom this system has been put in place to help.
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maybe not take any pictures (of videos) of yourself that you don't want anybody else to see.
sounds like a much simpler plan to me.
Turns out (Score:3)
Facebook already has all your nude photos. They're just making you submit your own copies for identity verification.
Where do i sign up for this job? (Score:2)
I promise I wont look, really!
Won't work anyway (Score:2)
Pretty soon, people will be making fake revenge porn by putting the face of their ex-friend on the naked body of someone else. It will look good enough to embarrass the victim, and impossible to detect using Facebook's filters.
So now I have to edit pictures? (Score:2)
Here's what I don't understand... (Score:2)
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Just you wait until this time next year when everyone is shocked and outraged at these pics being leaked.
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Maybe they're trying to draw attention away from GDPR? Or maybe they're trying to endure that they're the first company investigated under GDPR for some mysterious reason?
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I don't claim to be able to identify whole body nudes. Just labia, those are like fingerprints.
So are ears [wired.com].
Pro Tip: Don't confuse labia and ears.
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Chewing ears sometimes works a LOT like chewing labia. YMMV
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So are ears. Pro Tip:
That won't help.
Don't confuse labia and ears.
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(don't forget to hit the red button below the comic)
Re: Don't trust them, trust me instead! (Score:2)
Just because your fingerprints are all over them does not mean they are fingerprints...
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It really takes a special snowflake to earn money and then get when people steal it. It must be more fun to get angry than to exercise good judgement and not have nice things in the first place.
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Had you the wherewithal to express your idea in a form that other people could understand, it would go a long way.
I understood his idea perfectly. He's calling you a hypocrite.
Re:Nice try (Score:4, Insightful)
Probably because there isn't a "-1 Retarded" mod.
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Come on people need to take responsibility for there actions .. if you don't want naked pictures of yourself then stop taking them.
Or use a camera that does not promptly upload its contents to the internet without asking. Or don't such things exist any more?
don't dress like a whore (Score:2, Insightful)
It's a troll because:
If you don't wanna get robbed, lock your doors.
If you don't wanna get murdered, don't piss anyone off.
If you don't wanna get raped, stop dressing like a whore
All those things still happen no matter if you do or do not. It's a bullshit argument tactic.