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Microsoft Quietly Cuts Off Windows 7 Support For Older Intel Computers (computerworld.com) 383

An anonymous reader shares a report: If your PC doesn't run Streaming Single Instructions Multiple Data (SIMD) Extensions 2, you apparently won't be getting any more Win7 patches. At least, that's what I infer from some clandestine Knowledge Base documentation changes made in the past few days. Even though Microsoft says it's supporting Win7 until January 14, 2020, if you have an older machine -- including any Pentium III -- you've been blocked, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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Microsoft Quietly Cuts Off Windows 7 Support For Older Intel Computers

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25, 2018 @01:25AM (#56840550)

    Windows 7 is the Best Windows. , better than all versions which came before it and after it. The only thing it lacks is out of the box USB 3.0 support. The drivers not on the install disk but you ca add it.. That's all. It's everything you need.

    Windows 8 was a stupid movie. "Let's change the UI, because, fuck it, let's change the UI." Nothing else.

    And Windows 10 with its intrusive spying and adverts truly sucks ass. It didn't add anything of value either.

    Microsoft is pushing out new versions because no one has gone for their subscriptions so new versions is how they make money. That is all.

    > b0s0z0ku : Also, if you're not an idiot and don't go to random sites/click "run" on downloaded files, you're reasonably safe.

    Wow. You really are an idiot. Precisely the sort of idiot who needs to be protected with security patches.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25, 2018 @03:37AM (#56840910)

      Funny. I always thought Win2k was the best version. The UI stayed out of your way, it was fast and super stable with no extra BS.

    • I'm pretty sure Microsoft has a deal with drive manufacturers to wear them out prematurely in order to boost sales. I see constant complaints from people about how slow their computers are and it's always some Windows process thrashing the hard drive.

  • I enjoy how that's fit in there as if this is 2008 and there are still a good number of P3s in use.
  • by wertigon ( 1204486 ) on Monday June 25, 2018 @01:29AM (#56840576)

    The last Pentium III chip ever created was released in 2001.

    2001. That is 17 years ago. Last computer built with this ancient technology is probably from 2005, over ten years ago. Much of the hardware machinery, such as mechanical drives and fans, should've stopped working by now. If they miraculously still work, Linux is a prime candidate to run on this super-old system for that last mileage.

    Face it, Windows 7 is on it's death bed, and if you do not like it, go Linux or go home. :)

    • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Monday June 25, 2018 @01:32AM (#56840588)
      Or just buy the newest hardware that can run Windows 7, patch it as much as possible, and keep good anti-malware software installed after the drop-dead date of 2020. Assuming this date isn't extended for critical patches.
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 ) on Monday June 25, 2018 @01:44AM (#56840624) Journal
      Find a good distro thats systemd free and that supports not having that PAE extension.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday June 25, 2018 @01:59AM (#56840674)

      You are forgetting about embedded systems. An MRI-machine, for example, has a lifetime of > 20 years.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25, 2018 @02:30AM (#56840730)

        I regularly use diagnostic x-ray machines that run Windows XP - these are considered "current" models by the manufacturer. I've also seen in regular use an OPG machine running Windows 98.

        The key is that these machines are carefully isolated from the internet and are only able to communicate with their designated PACS and RIS servers. The XP based machines do have the ability to communicate with the manufacturer, but only if we take it out of use and place it into remote access mode, which requires the infrastructure team to enable a VPN on their end.

        Most interaction between manufacturer and machine involves an engineer connecting a flash drive to it and downloading the logs to interrogate on a company laptop.

        • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Monday June 25, 2018 @10:45AM (#56842514)
          The problem is XP is vulnerable to a lot of hacks shared with XP/Vista/7/8/10. If malware which exploits it should get onto your PACS or RIS server, it could conceivably spread itself to your XP box over your LAN. Your servers will get security and anti-virus updates which detect and remove the malware, but not your XP box.

          The bigger problem I've run across with clients still running XP (isolated from the Internet) is that Microsoft no longer allows you to update it over the Internet (aside from a registry hack to trick Microsoft into thinking it's an embedded system). So if you ever need to wipe and reinstall, you end up with an older version of XP and no way to update it automatically. You have to know to manually download the last service pack and install it yourself. And I'm not sure how to install any updates which were released after the last service pack.

          This really makes me worry about how well supported Windows 8/10 will be after they're replaced. Those have no service packs - you can only update them via Windows Update. If Microsoft continues dropping update support after extended support for the OS ends, there's going to be no way to update them. Microsoft really needs to make available install media for these older obsoleted OSes available with all updates slipstreamed in. (I've had similar problems with Office 2003 and 2007 - Microsoft's website to download Office updates disappeared and now redirects you to buy a subscription to Office 365 [office.com]. As best as I can tell, the only way to get updates for Office 2003/2007 is now also through Windows Update. Or if you know to search for and download the service packs.)
      • Let's be honest, though. If you use Windows on an MRI machine, you made a mistake (and having worked with WindowsCE in that era......I suggest that if you used WindowsCE you made a double mistake).
        • Seems oddly common, probably due to legacy issues. Our entire surface mount assembly line and x-ray inspection machine run Windows 7 (except maybe the ovens). We are not fans, but there's not much you can do about it.
          • My theory is, especially in the silicon industry, that Intel strongly encouraged manufacturers to use Windows. Before then, I think everyone was using DOS. I don't know before that.
        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          Sure. But that mistake is made in practice because it needs to be cheap (i.e. cheap coders and they can only do Windows) and a screw-up like this does not legally count as negligence or violation of best practices.

      • by zmooc ( 33175 )

        Embedded systems like MRI-machines that still run such old software should either not be networked (and thus not be updated so they're not affected by this move) or they should have been designed in a way that would easily allow upgrading any Pentium 3 to something not entirely ancient.

        We've become so used to backwards compatibility that we expect it as default. But in reality it's totally ridiculous that 8088 software still runs natively on my CPU. Even car tires aren't that backwards compatible....

      • by jonwil ( 467024 )

        If you have an MRI machine or a power station or any other critical embedded system connected to the wide open internet without a VERY strong firewall in place, you are a stupid idiot and don't deserve to be allowed near a computer...

      • MRI machines are using Pentium 3's? AND are connected to the internet? AND running windows? AND getting monthly updates? fuck me I hope I never need an MRI as that sounds like a playing Russian roulette.
      • by Targon ( 17348 )

        Who expects to get operating system upgrades for even ten years after buying a product? If the product works, then fine, but don't expect that a company will release updates forever. End of Support is just that, where the company won't provide new updates. There comes a point where the product won't even run that goes beyond that End of Support point due to licensed components in the operating system going beyond the license date, and THAT is where people need to be concerned. What components in Win

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          So you think that, for example, cars, planes, backhoes, factory machinery, etc. should all be thrown away after 10 years? But you are missing the point: Win7 has support until 2020. MS just cut that short for some relevant user group and without warning and _that_ is the problem.

    • Much of the hardware machinery, such as mechanical drives and fans, should've stopped working by now.

      That's unlikely.

      Face it, Windows 7 is on it's death bed, and if you do not like it, go Linux or go home. :)

      Good plan.

    • The first AMD chip with SSE2 support was the Athlon 64 'Clawhammer', released in late 2003.

  • The last PC I had that wasn't capable of SSE2 was an Athlon T-Bird, which had a quite beefy for its time 768MB of RAM. I wouldn't want to even try running Windows 7 on that.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday June 25, 2018 @01:58AM (#56840668)

      Embedded systems like medical equipment, displays, measurement equipment, etc.

    • The last PC I had that wasn't capable of SSE2 was an Athlon T-Bird, which had a quite beefy for its time 768MB of RAM. I wouldn't want to even try running Windows 7 on that.

      I had a dual Athlon 1800MP for years with 2GB of RAM, it survived surprisingly long by being dual processor, and having the GPU upgraded 3 times. It mostly died 7 years ago because everything compiled with a microsoft compiler depended on SSE2, so practical support ended 7 years.

  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday June 25, 2018 @01:57AM (#56840666)

    Sure, most people do not run Win7 on computers that old. But there are embedded systems like displays, measurement equipment, medical equipment, etc. that will be affected by this and MS was fine doing this deceptively and without warning and without giving people time do make arrangements. They also did it _while_ these systems are officially compliant with the Win7 minimum requirements. That is just completely unacceptable, but so very much like MS. No honor, no care for the customer, just always after the biggest profit they can get for cheap.

    • But there are embedded systems like displays, measurement equipment, medical equipment, etc

      Wait...these were connected to the public internet?

    • Based on the timeline for the CPU, these embedded systems were supplied with Windows 2000 or XP, and most likely still run Windows 2000/XP behind a firewall or offline.
    • by Targon ( 17348 )

      Windows Updates....the number of updates for Windows 7 is already fairly low, so not getting additional updates won't really matter to most people at this point. If you keep your computers for over ten years and still expect to get top end service, you must be delusional.

  • Why would anyone be running Windows 7 on a P3??? There are two use cases where anyone aside from a collector would still be actively using such old equipment. #1, you need it to control or interface with specific and valuable hardware from that time period. In this case, you would also want to be running the original OS from that time period too, to ensure maximum compatibility. On the other hand, if you're using it for retro gaming, you also want to be running at least a relatively time accurate OS, since
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25, 2018 @03:11AM (#56840824)

    I keep saying - This is just the thin end of the wedge. Or in this case, now a slightly thicker part of the thin end of the wedge; It'll keep getting worse and worse until 'no support in 2020 but you can still use it on existing systems' slowly turns into 'deliberately crippled on all systems so you have to use windows 10'

    Don't listen to all these astroturfers putting down old systems just because they're old.

    If they could run Win7, there's no good reason why the goal posts should suddenly be moved.

    • Nobody in their right mind run Windows 7 on a Pentium 3.
      These systems were supplied either with Windows 9x or Windows XP.
      People who would pay for an upgrade to the OS would also (after 15 years) have upgraded the hardware a long time ago.
  • ReactOS (Score:5, Interesting)

    by sydbarrett74 ( 74307 ) <sydbarrett74.gmail@com> on Monday June 25, 2018 @03:47AM (#56840938)
    I'm not a member of the ReactOS project, just shilling as an alpha user who's impressed with the progress so far.

    Yes, the project has been around for two decades, but it's made remarkable strides in the last couple of years. Give it two more—coincidentally when all support for Win7 ceases—and I think people will be pleasantly surprised by its usability. My only concern is that the Kremlin has dumped a bunch of money into the project, and I'd feel better if someone did an independent security audit of the code to see that Vlad didn't have some backdoor put in.
  • I'll just leave this [google.com] here.

  • I really don't take an issue with this to be honest. They're supporting an old OS for a heck of a while, that hardware is incredibly incredibly old.

    You can continue to use Windows 7, you just need slightly newer hardware. It's not that unreasonable.

    I'm a pretty archaic nerd but hanging on to ridiculous old hardware has held us back. Look at 64bit support due to crappy Atom chips and netbooks. Windows Vista and 8, should never have had 64bit. But Windows 10, STILL shipping in 32bit? Cmon enough is eno

  • This kind of thing always leaves me angry. A PC uses a lot of physical resources (metals, water, energy) to make, so planned obsolescence, via 'no patches' or 'version upgrade bloat' (a game that IBM used to play in the 70s and 80s with mainframe software to sell or rent more memory) is ecological vandalism.

    Forget that little Billy is 'curing' malaria and thus helping his share portfolio etc., Microsoft is doing a lot of avoidable damage with this, basically to improve revenue and 'shareholder value'.
  • Now if only they'd cut off Windows 10 support for newer computers...

  • EOL is EOL... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Targon ( 17348 ) on Monday June 25, 2018 @05:43AM (#56841186)

    Do a Google search for: Windows 7 EOL and you will get the following:
    Microsoft ended mainstream support for Windows 7 on January 13, 2015, but extended support won't end until January 14, 2020. This applies as long as you have Service Pack 1 installed.

    So, Windows 7 is already well beyond the end of the normal support cycle for consumers, and the extended support is going away in another 1.5 years. If people insist on holding on to what is soon to become a dead end, then you run into the problems you see with Windows XP, where getting it to run on a new computer is problematic and requires a virtual machine, because there are no drivers for the newer components. Want to put antivirus or other programs on there, nope, they won't run on anything older than Windows 7 currently.

    The longer you hold on to an OLD product, the more difficult it will be to migrate your programs/data, and at some point, you just won't be able to get your old programs running on newer computers. Then, you end up needing to really hunt for parts to fix your old computer. If you are on a laptop, it becomes even more difficult to deal with a hardware failure due to a lack of standardization in the components in a laptop.

    I understand that many people don't like some of the things in Windows 10, but the bulk of those things can be removed or turned off, and it is worth the effort to modernize NOW, before you end up stranded and without a way to move to a new computer when your old machine needs to be upgraded.

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