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The EU's Controversial Copyright Law Has Been Rejected -- For Now (bbc.com) 70

Members of the European Parliament have voted to reject a controversial copyright law in its current form, deciding to return to the issue in September. From a report: The law would have put a greater responsibility on individual websites to check for copyright infringements. But the web's inventor Sir Tim Berners-Lee and others had expressed concerns about the proposed rules, which they said threatened internet freedom. Opponents greeted the decision as a victory. Julia Reda, a Pirate Party MEP who had campaigned against the legislation tweeted: "Great success: Your protests have worked! The European Parliament has sent the copyright law back to the drawing board." BPI Music, which represents UK record labels, had supported the bill and tweeted: "We respect the decision... we will work with MEPs over the next weeks to explain how the proposed directive will benefit not just European creativity, but also internet users and the technology sector."
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The EU's Controversial Copyright Law Has Been Rejected -- For Now

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  • Bullshit ... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 05, 2018 @11:00AM (#56896078)

    BPI Music, which represents UK record labels, had supported the bill and tweeted: "We respect the decision... we will work with MEPs over the next weeks to explain how the proposed directive will benefit not just European creativity, but also internet users and the technology sector."

    Lies, damned lies, and the public statements by the assholes in the copyright cartels.

    This will benefit nobody but the copyright people, and greatly harm everyone else.

    So much bullshit.

    • Re:Bullshit ... (Score:4, Informative)

      by Faluzeer ( 583626 ) on Thursday July 05, 2018 @11:56AM (#56896376)

      Whilst I mostly agree with you, I believe it will also benefit the politicians as they will no doubt receive financial incentives to help change their votes when this is next debated.

    • Re:Bullshit ... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by The Cynical Critic ( 1294574 ) on Thursday July 05, 2018 @12:30PM (#56896624)
      Even if it wasn't an industry as heavy in lobbying as the record industry, lobbyist pushed bills tend to be like slasher villains. No matter how many times and how gruesomely you kill them, they'll be back before you know it.

      The worst part about this bill is the (rather aptly numbered) 13th article and how it forces content platforms to automatically scan content for copyrighted works, but completely forgets about fair use for purposes like satire, criticism, education and how nobody's come up with an even remotely accurate automated way of telling those uses apart from copyright infringement. Not only does this significantly increase the cost of trying to create a social media service in Europe, it's also rife for abuse where people use copyright to stifle free speech.

      The second really dumb part, the 11th article, is really just the publishing industry shooting itself in the foot. In Germany the publishing house Springer lobbied in a similar law and all it did was cause companies like Google and Facebook to just become careful and not display links to articles by Springer owned publications, which cause readership and advertisement revenue to drop for these publications.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        And in Spain, they just shut off the service, leaving the greedy media mobsters crying "but we wanted you to paaaaay!"

      • by fazig ( 2909523 )
        As you mention slasher villains. This isn't the first incarnation either. Remember SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA? Pretty much the same bullshit as this article - tried and failed.
        It will be back under a different name, maybe under different pretence, terrorism and child protection are always a good disguise.
    • by MrMr ( 219533 )
      This reaction is actually quite amusing. 'Explaning' why they voted the wrong way is exactly the same game that MEPs play with their dumb voters as well. Nice to see the bullshitters bullshitted.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Itâ(TM)s amazing how backwards the copyright laws are and the push from the music, movie and tech industries to make them worse. Twenty years top on the copyright, vetted take down notices, fixed royalty prices at time of filing and there shoukd be a use it or lose it clause too.

  • by sconeu ( 64226 ) on Thursday July 05, 2018 @11:03AM (#56896098) Homepage Journal

    How will it benefit internet users?

    Well, it will make our executives a lot of money, and those executives use the Internet, so it benefits internet users.

    • by davecb ( 6526 )
      The emphasis may well be toward explaining how it affects money in "the technology sector." rather than benefits to actual humans.
  • by sjbe ( 173966 )

    The law would have put a greater responsibility on individual websites to check for copyright infringements.

    Rather a substantial understatement there...

    Opponents greeted the decision as a victory. Julia Reda, a Pirate Party MEP who had campaigned against the legislation tweeted: "Great success: Your protests have worked!

    You know calling yourself the "Pirate Party" doesn't really boost your credibility when it comes to issues like copyright infringement. I'm not saying they are wrong but the optics of it aren't super helpful to those who are less invested in the issue - namely most of the general public.

    "We respect the decision... we will work with MEPs over the next weeks to explain how the proposed directive will benefit not just European creativity, but also internet users and the technology sector."

    Translation: "If it wasn't for those meddling kids we would have gotten away with it too!"

    • You know calling yourself the "Pirate Party" doesn't really boost your credibility when it comes to issues like copyright infringement.

      Argh, matey! Especially when your party doesn't have any real pirates, pirate ships and pirate booty..

  • Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the lawyers of war!

    It is much better in the original Klingon, but the BMI Ferengi won't stoop to speaking in Klingon.

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday July 05, 2018 @11:26AM (#56896188)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • ... wants any part of your failing, debt ridden dictatorship ? Canada is quite happy setting its own policies without being overridden by an unelected foreign political body it has no direct influence over.

  • Never forget (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Rik Sweeney ( 471717 ) on Thursday July 05, 2018 @11:30AM (#56896202) Homepage

    The good guys need to be lucky every time. The bad guy only needs to be lucky once.

    • by Jahta ( 1141213 )

      The good guys need to be lucky every time. The bad guy only needs to be lucky once.

      This is why we all need to make sure that our members of parliament (EU and national) are in no doubt about the opposition to this kind of law. Find out how your MEPs voted, and tell the ones who voted for these measures that they are losing your vote; they are up for reelection in 2019.

      And as voting seems to have mainly run along party lines, if your MEP's party supports this then tell their colleagues in your national parliament that it's a vote loser for them too.

  • Being on the defensive does NOT work for the long run. Ultimately those who oppose the unfettered expansion of copyright and suppression of rights and privileges we enjoy today need to come up with our own proposal to beat them back. An act that will greatly expand fair use and protect the rest of the world from having to enforce these companies' copyrights: while at the same time balancing the copyright so that they cannot reasonably scream "Unfair" ----- we need a proposal that most of the po

    • by Anonymous Coward

      We already had alternative proposals in order to mediate, but they were rejected in the JURI commission. They were probably pretty sure to be able to get the whole package with no compromise.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Get a VPN to the USA and enjoy the internet freedom. Escape the EU gov censorship.
      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        The next version of the copyright filtering act will probably require VPN detection and blocking as well.

        • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
          France and Spain also really need to stop the internet cartoons and memes about their national politics.
          The internet has to be controlled and filtered to prevent such uploads.
          VPN detection could offer the account holder to turn off their VPN. Risk the EU social media account they logged into getting banned on detection of VPN use.
          Want to use EU social media in the EU? Not if any VPN is detected.
  • by Sique ( 173459 ) on Thursday July 05, 2018 @11:50AM (#56896330) Homepage
    It was not just about turning platform providers into preemptive Copyright cops. There was a second provision: the Ancillary Copyright for press publishers [wikipedia.org]. Similar laws were tried in several EU countries (e.g. Belgium, Spain, Germany), with not much success, as the belgian law is withdrawn, the german version is still enforced, but for EUR 3 million in ligitation cost, it made so far around EUR 20,000 for press editors, and the spanish version caused Google News to no longer listing any spanish publications.

    It was always argued that the large U.S. based internet companies like Google and Facebook would profit from being able to list snippeds of online press articles in their search results, news aggregations and timelines, and thus they should pay the press publishers for the priviledge to get those snippets. As it turned out, the true priviledge was for the press publishers to be listed, because as soon as Google delisted press publishers demanding payments according to the Ancillary Copyright, their traffic numbers plummeted. So Belgium withdrew the law, and in Germany, all press publishers gave Google a free license (and with lawsuits managed to drive all competing news aggregators out of business).

    Now they attempt the same in the whole EU, hoping to get a critical mass large enough to get Google to agree into payments for the little snippets.

  • "This got waaaay too much publicity, and was making us look bad, so we're going to try again later and be more sneaky about it."

  • EU parliament used its only real power, which is to reject a directive.That does not happen often, and it is a pity that the only elected institution in EU is mostly unable to push its own legislative projects.

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