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Mozilla Is Rebranding Firefox and Wants Your Feedback (venturebeat.com) 269

An anonymous reader writes: Mozilla is rebranding Firefox. The company is asking for feedback on the new look, which will try to cover the various Firefox offerings. For most people, Firefox refers to a browser, but the company wants the brand to encompass all the various apps and services that the Firefox family of internet products cover, "from easy screenshotting and file sharing to innovative ways to access the internet using voice and virtual reality." The fox with a flaming tail "doesn't offer enough design tools to represent this entire product family," Mozilla believes.
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Mozilla Is Rebranding Firefox and Wants Your Feedback

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  • Tldr (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:13PM (#57035386)

    "We ruined our product and want people to give us a second look without realizing who we really are"

  • Feedback? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Bill Hayden ( 649193 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:14PM (#57035390) Homepage

    Oh, believe me, I would LOVE to give Mozilla some feedback about how they're doing with Firefox! Somebody might get injured though.

  • by Revek ( 133289 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:17PM (#57035416)

    Bob.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:20PM (#57035444)

    None of FF's users care. This is just designers + managers making busy work to justify their jobs.

  • by alzoron ( 210577 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:22PM (#57035468) Journal

    They should call it Netscape Navigator.

  • Just give it up (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:22PM (#57035470)

    If you want to rebrand Firefox and get all trendy-like, and make a whole line of experiences or whatever, just give up. Give Firefox over to Apache or somebody, focus on these apps and widgets that are going to lapse into total profitability -any day now-.

    You clearly don't want to make a decent browser any more. You definitely don't want to make a decent mail client.

    So why are you even expending effort on this browser you dislike?

  • by slashdice ( 3722985 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:22PM (#57035472)

    oh fuck me.

    Look guys, I remember when Mozilla was a bloated monolith - irc, mail, usenet, i don't even remember what else. Oh, and a browser nobody used. Then firefox came out from your summer intern (Blake Ross), by getting rid of all that crud and being a browser. And only a browser.

    And, poof, Mozilla (well, FireFox) became relevant again. And then you squandered it. Why will it be different this time? Honestly, close up hop and give the money to somebody else.

  • by IWantMoreSpamPlease ( 571972 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:23PM (#57035476) Homepage Journal
    Since they seem to be following Chrome as of late anyway
    • by mwvdlee ( 775178 )

      It's not about the name, it's about the icons.
      Do you want icons styled like the current version of Android or do you want icons styled even more like the current version of Android.
      Neon-gradient vectors all the way!

  • ....or they should just leave well enough alone!
  • by neo-mkrey ( 948389 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:24PM (#57035492)
    How about Chrome II?
  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:25PM (#57035500) Homepage Journal

    And then claim MSFT infringed on your trademark.

    Profit!

    (seriously, though, when you spend time rebranding, it's usually a sign of bad things)

  • by Zorro ( 15797 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:27PM (#57035516)

    They can call the Email Client "Panda Express"

  • Avoid Dilution (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Luthair ( 847766 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:29PM (#57035530)
    Just because you have name recognition with Firefox doesn't mean you should try to slap that name on every product you produce. Product awareness isn't transitive, confusion however is. I work for a company that did this, years later internally everyone still refers to the OG product with the now overarching brand, and externally customers are confused often not understanding what part of the brand they've bought. Obviously I won't name my employer but a public example might be how Microsoft used to stamp Windows on everything.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Microsoft very nearly did it with ".Net". It was a technical term, and the marketdroids discovered that a large amount of techies were enthusiastic about that term.

      The marketdroids were slapping ".net" on the end of everything (Windows Server.Net, SQL Server .Net, Exchange Server .Net etc). Seriously. Even Exchange.

      Amazingly, someone with some technical clue at Microsoft was able to head this off at the last minute and those products were named back to their normal names and .net was restricted to, well,

      • Oh that shit was confusing as hell at first. The first I had read about dot net was some sort of SOAP enterprise bus thing and then about a java runtime and then something about sql server and boy did that confuse the shit out of me

    • Yeah, I hate the games tech businesses play with names. All it does is annoy people.

    • If that were true, how do you explain the massive success of FirefoxOS?
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:31PM (#57035540)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by vanyel ( 28049 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:32PM (#57035558) Journal

    Mozilla is the brand for the family of products, and Firefox is the brand for the browser product. Nice and simple. Why overload it and confuse people? This makes no sense at all. Other products should have other brands so you can tell them apart.

  • by gosand ( 234100 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:33PM (#57035568)

    Just go to their blog post [mozilla.org] and read it. As it says, there is no voting they just want feeback in the comments about it.

    To me.. marketing types are funny (peculiar, not haha) in that they feel the world and their product revolves around marketing and perception. I think it is somewhat important for a product, but you need a good product first and foremost. It seems that Firefox has been making strides to get get back to where they need to be, although I am not sure they're there yet. I am personally willing to switch back from Pale Moon [palemoon.org], but they're going to have to really convince me of it...and new icons aren't going to do it.

  • Feeback you say? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:35PM (#57035594) Journal

    Let's see, how about a browser. You know what a browser is, don't you? It's a piece of software which allows one to view web pages and maybe play some content.

    A browser does not harass you with add-ons, intrude upon your privacy, hide basic functionality such that one has to tweak settings in some obscure area, or a multitude of other issues which do nothing but slow the browser's ability to render web pages because it's become a bloated sack of yak manure.

    KISS. You know what it means, right? Learn it. Live it. Do it.

  • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:35PM (#57035596)

    For most people, Firefox refers to a browser, but the company wants the brand to encompass all the various apps and services that the Firefox family of internet products covers.

    You can want until the end of time, if Firefox is a browser to most people now, it will stay a browser to most people in the future.

  • by iggymanz ( 596061 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:36PM (#57035606)

    A person who says a logo contains things called "design tools" is one of those fucking goddamn marketing choads.

    They have some use when cut up for chum, but otherwise they just rename things to justify their otherwise purposeless existence, and create confusion.

    Eliminate them, keep the names people know.

  • by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:40PM (#57035640) Homepage Journal

    I was trying to do something with Firefox on somebody else's computer and I just didn't have a clue how to do it.

    The first thing I do on my own machines is install classic theme restorer, which isn't perfect but it gets you 90% of the way to sanity.

  • Use the colourful chrome icon (second row, first icon)

  • by bolt_the_dhampir ( 1545719 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:41PM (#57035648)
    I dare you, Mozilla. Crowdsource the name.
  • by Galaga88 ( 148206 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:47PM (#57035692)

    I mean, all these tools help with interacting with the full landscape of Internet sites so maybe... Netscape?

  • I don't know why buy my mom can't help but call it FoxFire. I've given up trying to correct her. Rebrand it to FoxFire so at least she'll start being right.
  • CEO's an idiot. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by the_skywise ( 189793 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:48PM (#57035702)
    When you have to "go to the people" for your brand. "What is a good brand for us because people don't understand what it is I'm doing". That's a sure sign that YOU have no idea what your business is doing.
    WTF are you doing? You've spent the last few years destroying Firefox to "make it better" by removing popular and time tested features (because they're too hard to maintain) then adding features no one wants or asked for (but now you want to ask them about branding) while baking ads into the browser all the while claiming you're "saving the internet"

    You're a ship without a rudder and obviously have no tech vision of your own. THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM.

    Yeesh, can you imagine Steve Jobs asking "What is a good vision for my company"?
  • that's what my wife used to call it when i used it

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Hire Brandon Eich to head the renaming project.

  • The headline reads feedback and I read again facebook

  • Jeebus HB Crickey! Do NOT do what you are about to do!
    I insist *EVERYONE* on the Mozilla "marketing" and branding team read "The 22 immutable laws of marketing" front to back ... twice, ... before you bring this up again. You won't do that, but no matter, do read the book first!
    The Firefox brand, after the "Firebird" desaster done by the same team (yeah, remember that one?) has become a globally recognised brand that is - and this is the most important aspect - associated with giving big iNet corps the fing

  • Trade the army of marketingoids for some coders and accountants that can keep the project running.

    Feel free scrawl the marketing-speak on the toilet stalls because that's the only time I'm in the mood to hear it.

  • But some spyware android app is using the name now. But we want extensions and power user features. Stop removing them. There is going to be a lot of pain in September when 52ESR is finally stopped supported and Windows XP and XUL users get thrown out in the cold.
  • I didn't read the article but it's bad because firefox! Why, if I were in charge, it'd be the most perefectest browser ever!!!!11
  • There's nothing wrong with the current FF logo.
  • After all, nobody can think of anything good to add to the browser, and yuo have to do _something_ to keep busy...

  • Anyone remember the early phoenix/firebird/firefox plugin that would change the name of the browser every time you brought it up? I really miss that.

    It was about the same time as the Abe Vigoda Is Not Dead plugin. Good times.

  • > For most people, Firefox refers to a browser, but the company wants the brand to encompass all the various apps and services that the Firefox family of internet products cover [...]

    ...and seamonkey is already taken...

  • Stop worrying about branding and labeling and deal with functionality. Establish a menu style and STICK WITH IT. Make an API and leave it in place long enough for people to get used to it and they will support and use the product. Quit trying to emulate the car industry and producing a 'new' model every season.

  • by bursch-X ( 458146 ) on Monday July 30, 2018 @06:44PM (#57037216)
    Always a recipe for success and greatness...
  • Ars Technica approved: [arstechnica.com] m-scape [harmless.de]
  • A triumph of style over substance, that manages to obscure the meaning every single icon.

  • "Help us rename this bloated pile of shit that used to be a great browser."

    Sure, here are a few of my suggestions:

    FireSlug
    Pile-O-Worthless-Trinkets
    MemoryHog
    Frozen Dogshit (but with new themes!)

  • I still have the box too.

  • Mozilla should have started leaving decisions to the users a long time ago. I for one would have opted against breaking all the extensions to make the browser faster on paper.

  • Fix the memory leak, maybe? I know, I know, that'll never happen.
  • Can you just give me a browser that is really good?

    The Unix philosophy is to have tools do one job, do it well, and integrate with other tools for more complicated jobs. That is how the commandline became a powerhouse that is bested by graphical tools only in a few select areas, and that can pack a solution to a problem that some companies want to sell you dedicated tools for into a short stackoverflow posting.

    Stop focussing on the bells and whistles. Give me a good browser. Then, if I want a design tool, I

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