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Mozilla to Remove Legacy Firefox Add-Ons From Add-On Portal in Early October (bleepingcomputer.com) 110

Mozilla announced today plans to remove all Firefox legacy add-ons from the official Mozilla add-ons portal in early October. From a report: The move comes after Mozilla updated the Firefox core to use a new add-ons system based on the Chrome-compatible WebExtensions API. This new add-ons API replaced Firefox's old XUL-based add-ons API in November 2017, with the release of Firefox 57. All Firefox legacy add-ons stopped working in Firefox 57, but Mozilla continued to support them in the Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR) 52 branch. Support for Firefox ESR 52 will end on September 5, in two weeks, meaning there won't be any official Firefox version that supports legacy add-ons anymore.
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Mozilla to Remove Legacy Firefox Add-Ons From Add-On Portal in Early October

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    I still use version 56, because no one has a substitute for DownThemAll. Now Mozilla won't even give anybody DownThemAll anymore.

    • by Nutria ( 679911 )

      deduplicate-tabs, "New Tab in Tab Context Menu", "Amazon Smile Redirect" and "Sort Tabs" are what keep me on FF56.

      • by tepples ( 727027 ) <.tepples. .at. .gmail.com.> on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:44PM (#57169132) Homepage Journal

        Two things keep me on Firefox 52:

        1. Debian's preference for the oldest supported ESR version
        2. The fact that Mozilla still hasn't fixed bug 1325692 [mozilla.org] that blocks WebExtension-based successors to Keybinder [github.com] from being able to effectively unbind the Ctrl+Q=quit shortcut on Linux

    • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

      For me the two big ones are:

      Torrent Status -- Can monitor and control a torrent client on the local LAN or remote network. Will upload clicked torrent and magnet links automatically to the client (no need to go visit the web interface), and gives a persistent readout of current download/upload usage stats as a toolbar item. I get the impression the monitoring stats is something that cannot be duplicated with Web Extensions from comments by the developer.

      Private Tab -- add a private browsing tab to a window

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Has nobody seriously made anything even remotely similar to DTA?
      Surely the WebExtensions APIs expose the file API for mass downloads?
      Browsers natively support segmented downloads (download resume) and multi-part downloads. At least I think so, for the latter part. I am sure you can specify an offset for downloads. Yep it does. [mozilla.org]
      I'd be surprised if nothing out there replicated it by now.
      I haven't bothered looking myself since I don't download loads of files like I used to.

      One I do wonder about is file strea

  • by sinij ( 911942 ) on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:19PM (#57168952)
    At this point they are just hammering additional nails into Firefox's coffin.
  • Just use Vivaldi
  • by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:21PM (#57168966)

    Joking aside, is it REALLY that much a of a problem to keep Legacy extensions, sorry, "Add-Ons" on a different "space" of the website??? Are they afraid people will get "confused" and try to install them on the new version? Mozilla is losing out on the ability to see WHAT is popular and WHY it is popular. If they were smart they would provide alternative URLs for extensions that work in the new version. Too bad this "telemetry" data doesn't have any value for them.

    I get it that they want to push everyone onto the latest shiny. Unfortunately, the harder they push, the more backlash there will be and people just go "Fuck it. I'll just use Pale Moon, etc." where their extensions continue to work.

    Guess it is just another sign of Mozilla continuing to jump the shark / nuke the fridge / etc. on slowly becoming irrelevant and losing touch with what people want in a browser.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:28PM (#57169038)

      Unfortunately, the harder they push, the more backlash there will be and people just go "Fuck it. I'll just use Pale Moon, etc." where their extensions continue to work.

      Guess it is just another sign of Mozilla continuing to jump the shark / nuke the fridge / etc. on slowly becoming irrelevant and losing touch with what people want in a browser.

      The people running Mozilla completely lost their minds a few years ago and it's been nothing but a constant stream of "Fuck You" to users. Somehow, Firefox dropping to single digit market share hasn't been enough to convince them that butchering Firefox is a bad idea.

      Instead, they seem to suffer from some sort of bizarre mental illness where the more people reject Firefox the more determined they become to fuck it up and make it useless and irrelevant.

      So glad I switched to Palemoon a couple of years ago.

      • Pale Moon is sad in comparison to Waterfox.
        • Does Waterfox support ALSA without pulseaudio? I cannot seem to find an answer to that on the Waterfox site. Pale Moon works perfectly with ALSA on the lennart-freed Devuan and Heads systems I support.

          • https://www.reddit.com/r/water... [reddit.com]

            This seems to be the best answer sadly: maybe, but apulse would work most likely

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Does Waterfox support ALSA without pulseaudio? I cannot seem to find an answer to that on the Waterfox site. Pale Moon works perfectly with ALSA on the lennart-freed Devuan and Heads systems I support.

            Yes it does. See here [waterfoxproject.org]:

            What's new in Waterfox 52.0.2? ...
            Disabled PulseAudio and enabled ALSA for Linux builds

            • Does Waterfox support ALSA without pulseaudio? I cannot seem to find an answer to that on the Waterfox site. Pale Moon works perfectly with ALSA on the lennart-freed Devuan and Heads systems I support.

              Yes it does. See here [waterfoxproject.org]:

              What's new in Waterfox 52.0.2? ...

              Disabled PulseAudio and enabled ALSA for Linux builds

              Thank you! I DL'ed Waterfox and it properly supports ALSA without PulseAudio, so I'm in the process of installing it on other machines. I think they should tout that on their main page. Cheers!

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @07:45AM (#57173092) Homepage Journal

        On the contrary, I'm actually going back to Firefox after being on PaleMoon for years. The new add-on system, improved security/performance and especially the built in privacy enhancements make it worth using again.

        PaleMoon is okay but a couple of things piss me off about it. Firstly their update system is broken. Sometimes when you update it forgets your settings and uninstalls your add-ons. Whatever the add-on update mechanism is seems to be broken too. A while back an update deleted a lot of people's bookmarks too.

        The other issue is performance. The most recent update fixed a problem with images not loading (!) but it still has problems.

        PaleMoon always had poor compatibility with extensions and now that Firefox is ditching the old ones it will only get worse. For example you need a modified version of GreaseMonkey and it's old, and now basically unmaintained as the upstream project drops support for the codebase. uBlock is the same, all the work is on the new Firefox/Chrome extension API.

    • by slyborg ( 524607 )

      It's obviously a move to force people off pre-Quantum Firefox. They must have seen that a large population of users wasn't falling for the WebExtension meme.

  • Alternatives (Score:4, Informative)

    by slickwillie ( 34689 ) on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:21PM (#57168968)
    WaterFox and PaleMoon are FF alternatives that support the old add-ons. I wonder if the add-ons will be available somewhere else?
  • Thank you Mozilla.
    The gold rush is now on to create clones of the Add-on website.

    Who will we trust now that Mozilla is abandoning the legacy users?
    PaleMoon?

    • I switched to Palemoon a month before the November, 2017 update that killed the old addons, and I have not looked back. Palemoon is great!
    • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

      Most of these legacy add-ons are not being developed anymore because they are not compatible with the currently-shipping mainstream Firefox and their authors knew this day would come.

      It would make more sense to download the XPI files for the extensions you use and you can manually reinstall them as needed, rather than wait for a "grey-market" extension site to appear and have to worry about malware,

    • Waterfox [waterfoxproject.org] the developer mentioned somewhere that he made a backup of the addons.

  • That's odd that they'd even want to do that.

    Is there any other place those will remain available?

    I don't plan on ever using any version of Firefox after the 52 ESR, largely because of the lost functionality of the newer add-ons.

    What's the point of Firefox if you can't properly customize it?

    Seem really odd to me.

    Ryan Fenton

  • FF is barely at 5% market share [statcounter.com] and have been steadily falling since they killed the old addons. They will be completely irrelevant in a year or 2.
    • Better on Desktop (Score:5, Informative)

      by PineHall ( 206441 ) on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:03PM (#57169234)
      Those numbers include Mobile and Tablets. Firefox does not have a presence on phones or tablets. Firefox has 11% market share on the Desktop [statcounter.com]. It does have a declining market share but it is not as bad as that 5% number.
      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        Perhaps the claim is that Firefox is irrelevant precisely because it "does not have a presence on phones or tablets."

        • Perhaps the claim is that Firefox is irrelevant precisely because it "does not have a presence on phones or tablets."

          It does have a mobile browser, however it is horribly crippled by Android. Grab FF mobile, head over to Google, Google's website actively switches you to a pretty crappy site if using anything other than Chrome on Android. Google image search is literally a pain for no good reason on FF mobile. Changing the user agent fixes everything wrong with Google, but then you're just reporting that you're Chrome on Android. It's not just a little, Android goes out of its way to be hostile to other web browsers.

          Ch

      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        Well, it's search revenue Mozilla is not getting. And if Chrome/Safari wants to change the web standards they're quite real. With 5"-6" slabs being the new smartphone norm people do a lot of real browsing on them, I know I do. Okay so maybe there are other reasons Firefox has no presence there if we're assigning blame, but the double whammy is quite real - their only platform is losing relevance and they're losing relevance within that platform too. I mean if the story was that they were steady/growing on t

      • I wonder how much of that 11% is tallied as "Gecko compatible" (ie, all the Firefox forks).
  • based on the Chrome-compatible WebExtensions API

    Could it be, the switch [slashdot.org] is one of Google's condition for financing Mozilla [mozilla.org]? To make it easier for users to switch to Chrome?

    The demotion of Thunderbird [mozilla.org] may be similarly explained by Google's influence, because the application competes with GMail's web-interface.

    But, at least, they no longer have a homophobe running the show [slashdot.org] so they have that going for them, which is nice.

  • They need to purge all the forum, help, blog, bug, etc. posts related to pre-v.57 as well. Can't count how many times I searched for some info only to find it was about the pre v.57 version so it was completely irrelevant. Out-of-date/inaccurate information is worse than no information at all.

    If they kill of Live Bookmarks I will die.

    • If they kill of Live Bookmarks I will die.

      They are killing that off too. The code hasn't been maintained in almost a decade and is a super great way to crash your browser for feeds that are using mixed media DTD models. No one stepped up in the last round to want to fix it, so it's getting chopped. Also, it's horrible code, my only guess is that the group that had wrote it, do so in a single night of Red Bull fueled rage.

      • What do you recommend to do without Live Bookmarks? I'm so used to having all my Live Bookmarks in my bookmarks bar and checking all the feeds when I want to read the news. It's so efficient and convenient. I've tried other RSS readers and honestly they don't come close in terms of efficiency and convenience.

  • Not some fork project like basilisk/pale moon, we the users must force Mozilla to stop fucking up. The 52 ESR was an escape lane for the Quantum madness, and a lifeboat for those forced to use Windows XP (it has a lot of market share in China still). At the very least I say we have a Firefox classic set up, similar in vein to Seamonkey was a continuation of the classic Mozilla suite. If classilla and tenfourfox keeps old macs going, then there should at least be something for XP and XUL.
    • by Merk42 ( 1906718 )
      Go ahead, it's FOSS, you'll all band together and make a great browser because you know what is the best and will completely satisfy everyone. Right? Any day now...
  • yet have no clue what it means to me. Can one of you web monkeys tell us embedded systems types WTF all that means?
  • Yay for me! I was too lazy to learn what the hell XUL was and how to program in it. Now it's dead. I saved myself from wasting time on a transient technology.

  • I'm writing browser APIs, catch me if you can. I dare you develop a plugin. It will be obsolete by tomorrow.

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