After Court Order, 3D-Printed Gun Pioneer Now Sells Pay-What-You-Want CAD Files (arstechnica.com) 338
CaptainDork writes: In a surprising announcement, Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson announced Tuesday that while he would continue to comply with a federal court order forbidding him from internationally publishing CAD files of firearms, he would also begin selling copies of his 3D-printed gun files for a "suggested price" of $10 each. The files, crucially, will be transmitted to customers "on a DD-branded flash drive" in the United States and won't be available as downloads.
I have no issue with this (Score:5, Insightful)
Just my 2 cents
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Trying to hide knowledge never protected anyone from anything.
It's prevented terrorists from building and detonating a nuclear bomb.
There are exceptions to every rule.
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It's prevented terrorists from building and detonating a nuclear bomb.
Not really. Plans for nukes are all over the place. It's the cost of acquiring the rather exotic raw materials needed that has stopped anyone other than nations from building these.
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There was this event called “D-Day” that went fairly well due to some information being withheld.
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But also because of the spreading of some false information :-)
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The point here is that restrictions on the knowledge as how to make certain dangerous things is there to set up barriers most people with the will to actually misuse said things can't or won't get over. Today, barring loopholes with practically finished components, you
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In other words, for any particular type of
Re:I have no understanding of this, FTFY (Score:4, Insightful)
Everyone should have access to chemical/biological/nuclear weapons tech
We already do. Check out your local college library.
In this case, the 2nd Amendment is being stretched well beyond its original intent
Quite the opposite. The intent was to allow citizens to own military hardware. Remember the first US Navy ships were privately owned, cannons and all.
the supporters ... we still have law and order to maintain ... Nobody is being realistically oppressed ... ridiculous an argument
Leave tribalism to baboons. Humans have moved on and the wise among us have decided certain rights are necessary to retain every other right.
Re: I have no understanding of this, FTFY (Score:2)
It still doesn't change the fact that civilian ownership of actual weapons of war. Recall that once upon a time the federal government handed out letters of marque and reprisal... and it wasnt those that authorized outfitting a ship full of cannons.
Yes, we have police and military... the underlying laws however haven't changed. Dont like it? Win some elections, to pa
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See my sig.
smart move (Score:2)
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When I covet something that's "pay what you want," I opt to pay nothing.
I'm truly shocked that someone else hasn't stepped up to do a hostile takeover in another country.
Cody wants to be a hub.
Others would have stolen the idea, but why?
There's no market here.
Clever kid ... (Score:2)
... because he's gonna monetize the thing come hell or high water.
The next step, if any, will be for the Feds and/or states to address the legality of shipping firearms without a license.
I know that doesn't make any sense, but neither did, "Cody is violating firearm export ..."
I agree with an article I read that essentially said the the whole fiasco is stupid because people can buy stolen OEM guns off the street for $20-$100 vs buying all the shit needed for 3D printing.
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ON ANOTHER NOTE
If this guy (or anyo
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I would think liability would quickly get him. These things are going to kill a lot more tinkerers than they will assailants.
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I hadn't considered product liability.
An injury or death could listed as the result of defective code, I guess.
Cody needs to copy the TOS from Facebook where it says, "We get everything and you get nothing and you will side with us regarding any litigation."
Another thought:
Wonder if Cody gonna sell phone numbers and shipping addresses along with email addresses and such to the NRA and Dicks?
well with an cdn network it can be local in each s (Score:2)
well with an cdn network it can be local in each state
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I know that you know that the files exist all over the planet.
Any future files will be propagated instantly as well, even (or especially) if Cody's site is paywalled.
There's your CDN.
I had to look that up.
I dismissed the Canadian Dairy Network.
I'm not comfortable that any special topology is necessary for 3D print files.
The goal [of CDN [wikipedia.org]] is to distribute service spatially relative to end-users to provide high availability and high performance .
Re:Clever kid ... (Score:4, Interesting)
The next step, if any, will be for the Feds and/or states to address the legality of shipping firearms without a license.
A firearm schematic is no more a firearm than the photo on my driving license is a person.
I know that doesn't make any sense, but neither did, "Cody is violating firearm export ..."
The government used a law on the export of militarily valuable information to prevent these files from being posted on the internet. While there are bits of data with significant value for national security this is not one of those bits. They didn't call the schematics a "firearm" but they certainly tried to create some kind of equivalence between a representation of the thing and the thing itself.
DD Branded Drive (Score:2)
I want the Barbara Streisand Edition Drive.
Re:DD Branded Drive (Score:4, Funny)
I want the Barbara Streisand Edition Drive.
Those were all sold out in seconds.
Simpler solution (Score:2)
The tech cannot be stopped (Score:2)
You can't stop computer files on the internet. And the CNC and 3d printers are going ot be everywhere... cheaper every year and better every year.
It is game over for the old gun control regime.
It isn't going to just break down in the US... it is going to break down in France... England... Japan... China... everywhere.
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You're in the same position as people trying to stop marijuana in the 1950s.
You think you can stop it.
See you when we're both old and gray... and you finally understand what I was talking about.
I'm not saying you can't pass laws. Look at all the laws and funding the DEA got? And they're get absolutely humiliated by a rabble of drug pushers the world over.
You can't stop it. I'm not telling you that you can't pass a law. I'm not telling you it is good or bad. I'm telling you that you're spitting into the wind
3D printed guns are not a real problem (Score:3)
There are so many actual, real threats that we face in our country. Plastic zip guns are not one of them. We don't need to worry about banning them. People who make them will blow off their own fingers and realize it was a bad idea. Nobody else will care.
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Pay What You Want (Score:2)
The files, crucially, will be transmitted to customers "on a DD-branded flash drive"
Woot, infinite free flash drives!
Yep - he is (Score:5, Insightful)
What a Patriot. I'll bet he going to be protecting our freedoms real soon now.
Actually, he pretty-much is.
You don't see that because you're on the other side of the issue, on the side of speech you don't like.
We often say that freedom of speech means freedom for others to say things we don't like.
You don't like it, I get that.
Do you believe in free speech or do you believe in suppression of speech?
Yelling FIRE!!! in a crowded theater... (Score:2)
Actually, he pretty-much is.
You don't see that because you're on the other side of the issue, on the side of speech you don't like.
We often say that freedom of speech means freedom for others to say things we don't like.
You don't like it, I get that.
Do you believe in free speech or do you believe in suppression of speech?
I believe in Freedom of Speech, and I believe in freedom of knowledge and information.
I also believe that I should be able to walk down the street, or board an aircraft, safe in the knowledge that there are no guns around me.
You can yell FIRE!!! in a crowded theater if you want to, but there should be serious repercussions if you do it for your own amusement.
While it's pretty difficult to control the files people e-mail or torrent each other, it's a hell of a lot easier for the government to clamp down on t
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I also believe that I should be able to walk down the street, or board an aircraft, safe in the knowledge that there are no guns around me.
Where is this magical place you live? Are fairies and unicorns too? There are guns all around you, and you don't know it, which goes to show how seldom law abiding citizens ever brandish them.
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This is a hula-hoop and Pet Rock story.
It'll all blow over just like the Snowden and Assange shit did.
Just like Stormy Daniels.
Give it time.
There's no real market for 3D-printed guns.
They are for personal use only.
Criminals ain't got the sense God gave a piss ant.
They aren't about to spend money on 3D shit.
As for selling on the down low, who the fuck wants to buy a DIY gun when they can just buy a stolen OEM?
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On another note:
Anybody got ideas about how much a 3D AR-15 (or other gun) would have to cost to m
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No more so than it is possible to clamp down on the ownership of regular inkjet printers, computer monitors, or in fact any arbitrary consumer electronic device that happens connects to a computer.
There's nothing special or distinctive about 3d printers as opposed to any other kind of electronics that makes it easier for an outsi
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You don't understand: without these patriots with guns protecting our freedoms we would have a government that spies on us, only serves the corporations, and is corrupt. Lucky we have them and their well regulated militia standing by keeping our government honest.
Oh, I do get it. I have spent a lot of time in the United States.
Distrust of your government is one of those things that is uniquely American; while in most other G7 countries we may disagree with our governments, we do generally trust them. Your people, on the other hand, put Donald Trump in the White House.
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If it turns out he colluded with Russia I am sure the well regulated militia will deal with that. Unless the Dallas Cowboys are playing - then they might need to wait until Monday.
LOL. Militias have all the right priorities, which is why we want them armed. Right? Wow, that's genius!!
We have a government position called the "Auditor General", whose mandate is to keep the government honest. Stateside, Robert Mueller is basically that guy right now.
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Auditor General? Is that like Dollar General? Does he have an AR-15 or a Ruger 10/22? If he don't got a gun, he don't got no freedoms.
Nope, he has handcuffs.
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This isn't freedom of speech, its freedom of guns.
My CAD files don't talk back.
Wait till people CRISPR up the flu virus to exterminate a race they don't fancy. I'm sure that will be freedom of biological engineering or some other american horseshit.
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You ever been to a range?
There are some seriously inept people there.
The Range Officer keeps real busy.
Imagine a goddam room full of those dipshits.
Except not really (Score:2)
https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03... [cnn.com]
Ex-Navy sniper, another military vet killed at Texas gun range
maybe memories are short.
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Re:Yep - he is (Score:5, Informative)
What about my right to bear nuclear weapons? Isn't the government suppressing my rights by not selling me nukes?
This is a First Amendment issue. This is about the right to "keep and bear" documents and information. If you want the schematics on building a nuclear weapon then you can certainly find them on the internet, at your local library, and in book stores. If you want schematics on building a machine gun then I know where you can get them, the United States Patent Office. They also have schematics on building a handgun far more durable than what Defense Distributed is offering. This whole case is quite silly and it appears Cody Wilson is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame from it.
There's laws on building nuclear weapons, and on building handguns. This case is not about building either of those, these laws were not being challenged.
Re:Yep - he is (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, you can. [scribd.com] Or would you prefer detailed instructions direct from the U.S. government [googleapis.com]?
HowStuffWorks [howstuffworks.com] provides another helpful description. Quick, call the police, because I've posted a mass of not-illegal information right here...
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Re:Yep - he is (Score:4, Insightful)
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How does my right to own a gun or engage in free speech infringe on any of your constitutionally guaranteed rights?
Re: Yep - he is (Score:5, Informative)
Well then it's a good thing that this is only information about how to manufacture firearms, and it's governed by old law that says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Wrong amendment, Buckaroo.
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Not discussing the 2nd. Deal with that.
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And the first amendment makes express the right to blather, and Cody the right to distribute information on how to manufacture firearms, regardless of whether we have the right to make weapons without restriction.
One day you'll figure out the difference between publishing speech and manufacturing weapons. Until then you're just wrong.
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Right here asshole https://www.quora.com/Is-it-le... [quora.com]
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Censorious trope three with the twist of unspecified limits [popehat.com]. The blather is not obscenity, fraud, incitement, or speech integral to criminal conduct, and neither are the 3d printing files. Care to cite an applicable limit, or have you simply retreated to a "I'm right about an irrelevant fact so I must be right about everything else" fallacy?
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No Instragram account. Try again, loser.
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Preliminary injunction page 25 [documentcloud.org]: "Regulation under the AECA means that the files cannot be uploaded to the internet, but they can be emailed, mailed, securely transmitted, or otherwise published within the United States."
Oops, a different link that proves you wrong. Oh well, I can live with it.
Re: Yep - he is (Score:4, Insightful)
Does the law say you can eat a bowl of Cheerios in the morning? Better put that spoon down! Unless there is a law on the books prohibiting an action, ANY action is essentially legal. There is NO LAW saying you cannot distribute information about building a firearm (in fact, Amazon has a full list [amazon.com] of books on how to turn basic materials into firearms), thus the information is completely legal.
What scares me about you and people with your opinion is that you have turned over ALL your freedoms and rights to the Government. You don't get it - they are YOUR RIGHTS, from the Creator and inherent. You choose to surrender ALL to the Government, and let IT dictate what you can do. One of the central tenets of the Constitution was the duties of Government were limited, and - as the Constitution itself says - it lists what the Federal Government can do. If it's not in that list - it cannot do it.
Our system of law is prohibitive, not permissive; it says what you cannot do - not what you can do. If there is no law restricting the distribution of this 3D file, then it is implicitly legal, and a judge has ZERO basis for banning such distribution. There is no legal grounds for Government to "ban" something without a law behind it.
People with your viewpoint on Government and governance are the true threat to freedom. You wish to turn this concept on its head, effectively allowing Government to tell you what you can do. To lose all freedoms and rights and become a mere serf. It is because Government has defined limits to its powers, and that we have the freedom to do as we will if no law restricts, that keeps society moving. Your approach leads to the USSR, to feudalism, to slavery. You willingly clamp a chain around your neck and hand it to your master - because they get to say what you can do. Sad.
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Censorious trope three [popehat.com].
I don't need to go back to civics class, I studied constitutional law, passed the bar, and everything. You, on the other hand... not so much.
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The link includes plenty of law. It is you who cites no law, and also persists in attempting to alter my argument from the legality of publishing information on how to manfucture firearms to one of "manufacturing weapons without restrictions."
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Ok, you mean the opinion of the judge in the case as he issued the preliminary injunction [documentcloud.org]:
"Regulation under the AECA means that the files cannot be uploaded to the internet, but they can be emailed, mailed, securely transmitted, or otherwise published within the United States."
Yep, read through to that part too.
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"Non-legal links" like the the very court order that this discussion is discussing. LOL.
You're an idiot. Goodnight.
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Censorious tropes six and five [popehat.com]. A ground rule double.
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The link includes plenty of law. You cite no law, and also persist in attempting to alter my argument from the legality of publishing information on how to manfucture firearms to one of "manufacturing weapons without restrictions."
Re: Yep - he is (Score:5, Insightful)
Censorious trope two [popehat.com]. Who says that you can't shout "fire" in a theater, especially when it's true?
The Pentagon Papers case [wikipedia.org] did not allow for suppression of true information where the consequences of that speech were "dire." The Federal government [prnewswire.com] agreed that this information was not within the scope of ITAR and that it could not prohibit publication. The judge in issuing this very injunction [documentcloud.org] admitted that "Regulation under the AECA means that the files cannot be uploaded to the internet, but they can be emailed, mailed, securely transmitted, or otherwise published within the United States."
Then why are you attempting to justify the outrage here using exception-to-the-first-amendment arguments?
Government does NOT give us the right (Score:2)
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Re: Government does NOT give us the right (Score:3)
Agreed but that argument only makes sense if those rights are endowed by a creator and unfortunately many people no longer believe the premise so cannot sustain the conclusion.
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Well, plenty of people [mises.org] have wanted to protect themselves from the "evil gubmint" in the past. But, hey, it was Democrats then just like it is Democrats now who think that the ability of the government to enslave people trumps all other rights.
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Well, we have examples:
Just look at the riots where the #2A people shoot the fuck outa po po and each other when things go sideways.
Wait.
Actually, I just Googled it and the rioters use stone-aged tools.
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I guess that's better than fighting the US military with an AR-15.
Those GI peeps got jets, drones, real guns, bombs, aircraft carriers and the solid right to use them .
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If you actually were going for rebellion your first task would be to use guns to start knocking taking bigger equipment. Funding would be the hardest problem in modern times though.
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Maybe.
Organizing, I think, would be the first buzz-killer.
If you've visited the gun forums, you get the drift.
While there are a few sane people there (me), most of them live in a fantasy world.
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Had you two ever been in the military you wouldn't be asking those questions.
The answer is, "Guns don't kill ... people do."
The #2A mob doesn't exist.
The trained military sure does.
Those who talk big about overthrowing the gubmint are ignorant and don't know their history.
For a guide, read up on the Civil War and grok what happens to fucking traitors.
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I am in a strong military family, I know if a drive by happens to my family, I will choose them as they are worth the risk of desertion.
If military force is illegally used inside the states to suppress civilian dissent, I predict every soldier with a family will be at home protecting them and their possessions from mobs within days.
Their is a reason military overthrows always happen in countries with a strong class structure. Putin can kill because he doesn't have family or friends outside of his class so h
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Given how the USA revolted from the English monarchy, those who talk about overthrowing the gubmint are the founding fathers of this nation. They are also founding fathers of a number of allies, such as South Africa.
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A group of 300 armed is as strong as a group of 30,000 unarmed
I'm pretty sure a drone can take out 300 armed hillbillies in about 5 minutes.
You are simply delusional if you think any number of your buddies can take on the US military.
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...founding fathers of a number of allies, such as South Africa.
Who, coincidentally enough, is going through a simultaneous gun confiscation [zerohedge.com] and land grab. [express.co.uk]
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The last example I can think of is the Battle of Athens. [wikipedia.org]
1946 wasn't that long ago. It took an attempt to steal the election and shooting a black man in the back for voting before veterans raided an armory and seiged a prison to steal back the ballot boxes.
I don't know when the next example of tyranny will present itself and hopefully I never do see it. But it's not a question of if but when. Unless you can find a way to change human nature or remove humans from the governance process then I don't expect th
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Sometimes you troll well and sometimes... Meh.
I r8 3/8.
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better to be a drunk hick than... what ever it is you think Christ fucked. I hear Christ is the kind of ass hole that doesn't have the common decency to give another man a reach around.
Now, If you'll excuse me there is a beer with my name on it and... what ever it is that hicks do. Tarnation aint confused no mo'. No sir.
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It's a shame that you can only post this Dollar General-quality wisdom every three minutes.
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I just read a history book. I didn't read anything about you guys protecting us (yet). Perhaps you aren't well regulated enough? I'm sure the militia will arrive any day now. Once they get back from Walmart, and as long as they don't miss football season.
You're a real special kind of douchebag - the dangerous kind. The douchebag that is not only ignorant, but wants to take away other people's rights based on that ignorance. What a real Grade A Arsehole you are.
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If some lackwit wants to make a plastic zip gun and blow his hand off with it, that's his business. He's no threat to me.
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Congrats, 1100 ad naseum, youv'e gone from biting sarcasm to name-calling troll in the span of a few posts.
Feel better now? Will you rest better knowing you're not even worth the mod points to mod down?
We get it, you hate this, you intensely hate it, this gun thing, and to see someone so blatantly side-step ridiculous laws and inescapable Streisand-effect really, but really gets your goat.
But you know what? Keep at it like that, you'll only die of ulcers.
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As I posted above, I'm still waiting for the gun nuts to actually do anything but talk.
I got a license to carry for three reasons:
1.) I'm a wildlife photographer with expensive equipment.
2.) I'm progressing into the elderly demographic.
3.) Other people got guns.
My biggest concern is 3.).
I keep training, but if I ever have to use my weapon, I'll be calling Momma and peeing down both legs.
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Good place to hide and it's bullet-proof.
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Plastic 3d-printed guns that you can only get maybe 1-2 shots off before they're destroyed. You only need one bullet to kill one person, so 3d-printed sniper firearms is likely what people who have the means to print weapons will aim for. Not plastic handguns.
Highly unlikely. High powered rifle rounds produce substantially more pressure than handgun rounds. We don't have commercial technology that can safely handle those pressures with plastic, a homebrew solution that can isn't likely in our lifetime.
Like the old Liberator pistols from WWII, they're intended to relieve an occupying soldier of his commercially manufactures weapon.
LK