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Unpaid and Abused: Moderators Speak Out Against Reddit (engadget.com) 363

In a joint investigation, Engadget and Point spoke to 10 Reddit moderators, and all of them complained that Reddit is systematically failing to tackle the abuse they suffer. Keeping the front page of the internet clean has become a thankless and abusive task, and yet Reddit's administration has repeatedly neglected to respond to moderators who report offenses. From the report: "I've had a few death threats," said Emily, who asked to be referred to by her first name and her Reddit username, lolihull, to prevent the online harassment from spilling over into her real life. [...] "I had three death threats this past month," said abrownn, who moderates r/Futurology, with more than 13 million subscribers, and r/technology, with more than 6 million subscribers. abrownn asked only to be known by their username. All the moderators interviewed confirmed they had received death threats, which they said can take a toll.

[...] It's hard to pin down how many moderators there are: Even the moderators themselves don't know, but most estimate their numbers are into the tens of thousands. Some spend hours each day working for free on the site. Whatever the actual figure, they far outnumber the higher-ranking and paid administrators, whose job it is to respond to the evidence that the moderators collect.

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:05AM (#57249038)
    If you wouldn't say it to their face then don't say it online. What's wrong with people?
    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:16AM (#57249066)

      I'm guessing that it's easy to type out a death threat and the people doing it know that it is likely to have maximal impact. The majority of people doing it would probably crap themselves if they were confronted about it in person. It's weak and underhanded.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        The majority of people doing it would probably crap themselves if they were confronted about it in person.

        There was a story a couple of years ago about a middle aged woman who was trolling someone online. A TV crew caught up with her on the street and asked her about it. She seemed rational and well spoken, said it was her "right" and "freedom of speech". A few days later she killed herself.

      • by Wolfrider ( 856 ) <kingneutron@NOsPAm.gmail.com> on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @09:30AM (#57250224) Homepage Journal

        -There is an EASY way to stop this. In order to communicate with a Reddit mod in any personal way, you need to go through a Cryptographically Signed process that PROVES your identity. Any communication mentioning death threats in ANY WAY gets auto-routed to a Special Task Force (paid) that works directly with the Police/FBI.

        -No one ever even needs to SEE a death threat. I guarantee you, 1st time that ever happens to me I will be DEMANDING to speak to an owner IN PERSON and will NOT do any more work for them until it is Resolved to my satisfaction. PERIOD.

        • by HeckRuler ( 1369601 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:35PM (#57251514)

          you need to go through a Cryptographically Signed process that PROVES your identity.

          Hahaha! oh wait, you're serious. Ok, walk me through that. "It's encrypted" isn't good enough. Prove... WHAT identity? Prove that it's tied to an email? pft. Tied to a credit card? Also not so good. Do you really want a background check just to question authority?

          No one ever even needs to SEE a death threat.

          Correct, it's not needed. But if they're an adult in society I can guarantee you it's going to happen. The same way that they're going to meet people who disagree with them, don't think they're good people, insult them, question their motives, cast unsubstantiated aspirations upon their mother, and call them gay. If you are in a position of authority where your job is to censor people, I can guarantee you that you will receive abuse. And I can also guarantee you that the position will be abused. Human nature is a bitch, isn't it?

          Obligatory "go DIAF" statement that's needed in these threads so everyone can pad their victim card. There you go. If this is your first time... I guess you have to call someone at... it's not DICE anymore... it's BizX. Good luck with that. If you're not full of shit and you actually meant it when you said you wouldn't be "doing work" until it's "Resolved" then... well... sorry for kicking you off of slashdot.

    • by Revek ( 133289 )

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    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:33AM (#57249218) Journal
      I agree. But it’s not the same as making an actual death threat to someone’s face either; an online death threat is the internet’s equivalent of a strongly worded letter to the editor
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @08:38AM (#57249992) Homepage Journal

        Except when they follow through and call in a SWAT team or turn up at your house. Those things happen regularly.

      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        by Wolfrider ( 856 )

        > an online death threat is the internetâ(TM)s equivalent of a strongly worded letter to the editor

        -Bullshit. People that think like this are PART OF THE PROBLEM. Would you be OK if someone doxxed you and threatened you, your family/dog -- online or otherwise? If it's committed in writing, it is an Actionable Offense. Writing is much stronger than verbal, because the writer ALWAYS has the option to modify their speech before sending - or not send it at all. Someone makes a death threat to me, my

    • Yeah, and also death threats are illegal in the UK. This isn't a problem for Reddit to solve; it's a police matter. These mods are just idiots if they don't go to the police.
      (or... they're terribly unlucky if the police don't know what to do)

      • by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @08:25AM (#57249954)

        Or: these aren't credible threats.
        Or: these are people looking for attention.

        There are quite a few options, and considering the trend to play the victim, combination of that first name and user as well as the source being well known for social justice activism which specializes in victimhood weaponisation suggests this is a standard "we have a victim here, company needs to do what we say" social justice attack vector.

    • by SirSlud ( 67381 )

      You're talking about millions of active users. Are you telling me you're surprised out that group that a tiny percentage of those people might not be perfectly well adjusted (never-mind outright suffer from mental or emotional problems?)

      The barrier to access and use websites is zero. I really have trouble figuring out how anyone can be surprised that out of millions of people, some of those people are capable of unacceptable social behavior.

    • Because it is something you can say without consequences for saying it.
      I can think someone is ugly, or just being a bad person. But I wouldn't say it to them to their face, or in a way they would track it back to me. Especially if I need to work with this person in the future. Because while I may be free to voice my ideas, having to work with a person who knows what I actually think of them, will just create extra friction with no benefit to me.
      My opinions isn't going to change a person, especially if I

  • by blahplusplus ( 757119 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:15AM (#57249062)

    .. like 90% of the channels you can tell people of low education and people who are young tend to be moderators. AKA people with lots of free time.

    The reason reddit is so popular because it is a confirmation bias wonderland for people who are not very bright and that is most of our species. So reddit is a wonderland of egoboost for the none too bright and uninformed. It's just 100% drama generating machine between the informed, uninformed, young and old and it has to do with the karma and moderation system. Reddit is just one monkey ego war where opinions no matter how dumb are fought and defended by drive by upvoting and downvoting of whatever subgroup is most dominant on the sub unfortunately for our species .

    The whole thing thrives off putting people of various ages and education backgrounds together and watching them go at it. It's just a battle royal, to a large extent.

    • by Dutch Gun ( 899105 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:58AM (#57249148)

      I guess it depends where you go. I occasionally visit some of the smaller, more technically-oriented subreddits, like for programming languages and game development, and I've found most people there to be pretty nice and helpful.

      • by swb ( 14022 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @06:08AM (#57249570)

        Many larger subs are a shitpost idiocracy of noise, but the smaller ones can be pretty reasonable.

        r/futurology is a terrible example of a subreddit. I think it might be a default subreddit, which means it gets a lot of random visits, and 99% of the posts there are pretty much fantasy clickbait. "Scientists discover way to use Earth's rotation to create free energy and world peace."

        I will say that it is a harsh web site. When your're wrong on most subs, man, are you wrong.

        My city's local subreddit is also dominated by a very narrow political/age spectrum where deviating from the party line will result in bans. I got banned for 30 days (only sub, ever) even though I had a positive karma of something like +5 for my history in the sub over hundreds of posts and comments.

        Overall I mostly like reddit, but there are times where it's just too mean or too stupid. You have to put some effort into finding worthwhile subs and avoid most of the big ones.

    • by Kiuas ( 1084567 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:25AM (#57249200)

      Reddit is just one monkey ego war where opinions no matter how dumb are fought and defended by drive by upvoting and downvoting of whatever subgroup is most dominant on the sub unfortunately for our species .

      The whole thing thrives off putting people of various ages and education backgrounds together and watching them go at it. It's just a battle royal, to a large extent.

      The whole thing thrives off putting people of various ages and education backgrounds together and watching them go at it. It's just a battle royal, to a large extent.

      This is perhaps true, but at the same time this describes most of the conversations on the internet between strangers. At least to Reddit's credit the possibility of downvoting eliminates the most obvious cases of trolling and flaming. Look at some other platforms like Facebook that do not allow downvoting at all and the discussion culture is many times more toxic because no matter how stupid a statement is there will always be a bunch of fools that like it and this feeds the trolls and the morons.

      Reddit isn't perfect by any means, but it's a small step in the right direction. Keep in mind that the vast majority of online users have been discussing online for 10-20 years, and during that time both the number of platforms and the number of people have grown immensely. The internet and the culture that comes wth it is still very much a work in progress, even though we don't tend to think of it like that.

      I like the moderation system of Slashdot over simple votes (in fact it was the main thing that got me to register here almost a decade ago precisely because I was fed up with the level and moderation of discussion elsewhere), although I admit I'm not sure if something like this would work on the scale of Reddit and the amount of content being posted there. If anyone is aware of other platforms doing interesting things with discussion moderation that's not just a simple free-for-all, I'd be interested to hear about them.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Downvoting promotes groupthink. It's all well and nice when people push racists and bigots into the negatives, but post something vaguely unpopular and watch yourself get hammered.

        It's the reddit equivalent of "shouting down" dissent. If they don't like what you are saying, they will try to silence you by any means necessary.

      • by religionofpeas ( 4511805 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @04:46AM (#57249384)

        At least to Reddit's credit the possibility of downvoting eliminates the most obvious cases of trolling and flaming.

        Most posts are downvoted simply because they present a different opinion, reinforcing the echo chamber.

        I like to learn things, and have my opinions challenged in a constructive way. Reddit sucks for that. I can either pick a group of people who completely agree, or a group that disagrees. Both cases are rather pointless.

        • I like to learn things, and have my opinions challenged in a constructive way. Reddit sucks for that.

          It presages the American political landscape in 2018 where if you are not with Blue Team, you are assumed to be Red Team and that's the end of the story: they will censor you, exclude you, defame you, and try to get you fired from your job, depending on level of dissent.

          The problem with Reddit is the users. Having seen them transplanted to other sites where they immediately begin calling for censorship and v [speak-easy.club]

      • by J-1000 ( 869558 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @11:12AM (#57250672)

        Slashdot's moderation system is the primary reason I still visit. A cap on the upward moderation leaves more comments on equal footing. And no fixed moderator means no boogeyman. When you take the moderation out of the hands of the few you still end up with (mostly) thoughtful discussion, and the conversation is more likely to reflect the views of the users rather than the overlords. I occasionally see contradicting viewpoints sitting at 5.

        The interface probably holds it back a bit. That's necessary for Slashdot, whose users have no desire for a change, but if this moderation system were transported elsewhere it would be one opportunity for improvement.

    • by lucasnate1 ( 4682951 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:54AM (#57249252) Homepage

      .. like 90% of the channels you can tell people of low education and people who are young tend to be moderators. AKA people with lots of free time.

      How is this different from most online forums?

      The whole thing thrives off putting people of various ages and education backgrounds together and watching them go at it. It's just a battle royal, to a large extent.

      How is this different from the rest of the internet?

      I remember that in the past, "no matter who you are, you can speak your mind and only be judged by your words" was a good thing, but apparently now the trend
      is neo conservatism (from both the left and the right) and a desire to see the return of noblety (whether blue blooded or academic).

    • .. like 90% of the channels you can tell people of low education and people who are young tend to be moderators. AKA people with lots of free time.

      The reason reddit is so popular because it is a confirmation bias wonderland for people who are not very bright and that is most of our species. So reddit is a wonderland of egoboost for the none too bright and uninformed. It's just 100% drama generating machine between the informed, uninformed, young and old and it has to do with the karma and moderation system. Reddit is just one monkey ego war where opinions no matter how dumb are fought and defended by drive by upvoting and downvoting of whatever subgroup is most dominant on the sub unfortunately for our species .

      The whole thing thrives off putting people of various ages and education backgrounds together and watching them go at it. It's just a battle royal, to a large extent.

      So, kinda like Slashdot ...

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:19AM (#57249074)
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    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:41AM (#57249236) Homepage Journal

      Back in the BBS days, then Usenet, mailing lists and early forums I never got that kind of abuse. These days threats of violence and doxing are often the first thing you get hit with. And I have been doxed and had stuff sent to my home, my wife's home, our email accounts flooded etc.

      It's illegal to own a shotgun for personal protection where I live, and I doubt it would be effective against floods of spam mail or people calling my employer.

      All of that is designed to shut down free and open debate. It's censorship. Intimidation designed to silence views that the perpetrator does not like.

      • You and your wife both own homes?

    • I think you underestimate the power of words. I'm not so worried about an Internet tough guy showing up at my address. I am more concerned, however, with an Internet tough guy saying the right few words to send a team of heavily armed officers crashing through my front door.

      The only time anyone ever managed to really annoy me in my many years as an admin/moderator was when someone registered a handle that was visually identical to my own, then proceeded to make bomb threats against government buildings, see

  • by ayesnymous ( 3665205 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:28AM (#57249084)
    So many people are willing to do a job for a web site (in this case reddit) and not get paid for it. Suckers.
    • by DNS-and-BIND ( 461968 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:49AM (#57249134) Homepage
      It's the power and control they get from being moderators. Some people deal with this good feeling by becoming politicians. Others become message board moderators. It feels wonderful to slap people you don't like with bans, doubly so when you get to attach a shitty little message to it that the recipient can't reply to. [youtube.com] Especially when your life offline is nothing.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @07:22AM (#57249706)

        Have to jump in here.

        > It's the power and control they get from being moderators. Some people deal with this good feeling by becoming politicians.

        I know it's all the rage to dump on politicians. But there are so many, many problems with where things are headed.

        For example? Can in imagine if you're an *honest* politician? And one that just wants to solve a few problems, wants to generally 'fix' something they see broken? Not in it for the power, or money, but honestly just want to make things better.

        Sure it's somewhat selfish in the end, because they want to make it better for their family, their friends, their community. But that's the sort of selfish we want!

        So you have a TV interview. Or, say something on twitter. Welp. Everything is completely distorted out of context, quotes are taken and slapped together with other quotes, the list goes on. If you tell the truth? It will be distorted, taken out of context, and if you discuss something for an hour? They'll take a 4 second quote and slap it on the air.

        Things I remember a Prime Minster I *didn't even like*, but couldn't believe he was being harassed for:

        - he wore a sweater, and was mocked because it looked a little off
        - he shook his son's hand one day, when he left for school -- everyone called him a cold, calculating bastard because he didn't hug his son (I didn't want hugs from my dad when 10!)
        - his hair was too neat (boy, he sure must use a lot of hair spray!!)
        - his smile is a little funny, he must be a psycho

        I could list a 100 of these. What. The. Fuck.

        How about people actually commenting on policy?

        But no you become a politician, and every single aspect of your life is examined. People think death threats on the internet are bad? Well I wonder what sort of vile crap gets thrown your way, if you're a politician? I'm sure death threats would almost be preferable to some comments sent via no-return address letters, or phone calls, or whatever.

        Yet, let's say you put up with all that. The threats, the vile spew coming out of people's mouths, the criticism for the smallest things, and hell -- even being criticized for doing what you said you'd do in campaign speeches?

        Well, you put up with all that -- and you STILL get no-where often with the things you WANT to genuinely help with.

        And then everyone dumps on you. Again. Because the opposition and sometimes even your own party works against you.

        I don't know. I'd have to say that being an honest, open, caring politician is the worst job on the planet.

        And this is what disturbs me. Because all day long, every day, I see little cracks like the one you made about politicians. I see them regarded as scum. I see what they do equated to a waste of time. I see them assumed as thieves, assholes, pricks -- when people aren't even aware of the person behind the office, nor of what they've done -- good or bad.

        If people want things to REALLY turn around, then people need to create an environment where an honest, caring, loving GRANDMOTHER would be happy being a politician.

        Why?

        Because -- if only scum can stand the job, wtf!

      • I've read the opinion that anyone who wants to be a moderator should never be allowed to be one.

      • This.
        I got booted from a thread, with a nastygram from the mods about 'here's where you send any appeal to your ban'. Sent email asking what post comment had resulted in this ban... got banned from ANY communication on reddit for 30d for 'harrassment'.

        It's a cesspool.

        These people are doing this for the epeen and (putative) power of being mods. If they don't like the consequences of being head shit-thrower in the shit-thrower zoo, walk the fuck away.

    • by Revek ( 133289 )

      You make me want to erase my post to mod you up.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:44AM (#57249238) Homepage Journal

      You mean like people who moderate Slashdot?

      People want to build communities, for companionship and socializing or for free and open debate in a marketplace of ideas. Both of those things require moderation, and for people who get a lot from those communities it's a reasonable trade to make.

    • I got someone to pay me to not mute him in a forum. Also, it got me nude pics from girls and a few friends.

      • I got someone to pay me to not mute him in a forum. Also, it got me nude pics from girls and a few friends.

        So that's why the TLAs are hording all the porn.

    • So many people are willing to do a job for a web site (in this case reddit) and not get paid for it. Suckers.

      Some of us are volunteer distributors of insults. It's an enjoyable pastime. We get paid by the joy in our hearts of calling silly people silly people. And you are quite a silly people.

    • A lot of moderators are people who enjoy exercising power against others. That is why they become moderators. That tiny bit of power gives their meaningless lives purpose and joy. Recently I got banned from an energy sub because I replied to someone calling me an idiot. I replied with a citation and called him an idiot back. I was immediately banned for life.
  • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:30AM (#57249088)

    You can't get a tax write off for your time spent herding assholes on reddit as a moderator. If you have a need to help, volunteer at a library, food bank, or soup kitchen.

    Reddit's business model heavily depends on people being so power hungry and loyal that they don't get paid for what is for some a full time job. As time goes on, the power hungry become somewhat insane, until they are deposed or regain their senses.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:47AM (#57249240) Homepage Journal

      You clearly enjoy posting your outrage to Slashdot, otherwise you wouldn't keep coming here to do it. Slashdot is like it is because it has a user run moderation system. Clearly you get some value out of that.

      It therefore doesn't seem unreasonable to thank the people who invest their time in making Slashdot/Reddit a better place to post and debate, and try to address their concerns lest you lose that resource that you use regularly.

      • I honestly never really understood the value of Reddit. It's basically usenet, with a more centralized infrastructure. The only thing that accomplishes is that the assholes don't get groups for themselves, spill into other groups and troll there.

        • I honestly never really understood the value of Reddit. It's basically usenet, with a more centralized infrastructure.

          It's more like Slashdot with more than just computing (and politics) topics, except with an even shittier moderation system. People go there to ask questions or discuss URLs.

    • You can't get a tax write off for your time spent herding assholes on reddit as a moderator.

      I can't get a tax write off for the time I spent arguing with people who are wrong on the internet either, yet here I am. Not because I expect to be paid for calling your post silly, but because I actively enjoy it.

      Your post is silly.

      Maybe do something more productive and go watch TV.

  • Vote with your feet, if you don't like the club rules, join or start another club.

    • by tepples ( 727027 )

      Assuming "club" as metaphor for a particular website on a particular domain:

      Once I have started another club to compete with the existing club, what steps should prospective members take to find my club, and what steps should members take to become notified about activity in my club? In the current web platform, unless I missed something, recommendations and notifications deliberately do not work across clubs.

  • by EmperorOfCanada ( 1332175 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:55AM (#57249144)
    There is something wrong with people who are moderating 100+ subs. Often they have an agenda/axe to grind and moderate for the sake of power. Some subs are moderated very well but many have mods that are completely missing the point of their being there. Paid shills are rife in some subs where other people are banned for posting unambiguous facts that don't line up with the moderators tastes.

    But unless there is a sub for people who spend 150 hours a week on redit moderators need to be cut way back in what they can do. Limit the number of subs any individual can moderate. Have a team who replace moderators who are clearly abusing their power.

    And if that team has any spare resources, fight the shills, especially the chemical company shills.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:19AM (#57249178)
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  • Than you obviously aren't a person who uses the internet very often. I think this is one of those trial balloons for an increase in AI censorship.
    • Oddly enough, nobody ever threatened to kill me. Not even in jest. And yes, I do moderate a few boards. None of them the size (or toxicity) of Reddit, but ... well, pick and choose your battles well would be my advice here...

  • Even if I was paid, receiving a death threat with zero backup from above to deal with it is a good reason to quit.

    If I was not even paid, why even wait for backup from above?

  • by CoolDiscoRex ( 5227177 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @04:15AM (#57249314) Homepage
    If i understand correctly, they aren't getting paid, and thus have nothing to lose besides being moderators. Yet, being moderators is valuable enough for them to endure no pay and death threats.

    People desiring the power of a moderator that much, have historically rubbed people the wrong way ie. the kid who helps the teacher enforce rules.

    I am 100% for worker's rights. However, being that they can leave at any time, with zero penalty (other than, you know, not getting to moderate), I struggle to sympathize here. People who crave the ability to exert power over others to the extent that they will endure death threats, for nothing, have issues of their own. It's kind of unsurprising that they evoke strong emotions from those with an equally strong hatred of being controlled. I mean, wars have been fought for less.

  • by James McGuigan ( 852772 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @07:09AM (#57249674) Homepage

    8. There are no real rules about posting
    9. There are no real rules about moderation either - enjoy your ban

  • by that this is not und ( 1026860 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @07:55AM (#57249834)

    I know from personal experience that, for one example, the AlbionOnline (MMO game) subreddit is controlled and operated by employees of Sandbox Interactive, the company that makes and sells the game. They quash any meaningful criticism of the game in the Reddit forums.

    So that is an example of heavy bias in a Reddit forum where the mods are quite well paid for their effort.

  • by UnixUnix ( 1149659 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @08:58AM (#57250086) Homepage
    There are people who threaten mods, there are mods who abuse their power, and luckily there are also quite a few people with a sense of humor, e.g. see comments in https://www.reddit.com/r/video... [reddit.com]
  • I bailed when a mildly technical post I made with regards to fan nozzles for cooling prints in 3D printers generated a lot of insults and animosity. There were plenty of good people asking useful questions, but too many "my dad designed jet engines for Boeing and he said that what you're saying is impossible" childishness and name calling.

  • Seriously, you are choosing to moderate these forums.

    And unlike most things we choose to get outraged about, you don't have to do it to eat (since they don't pay you anything).

    I get that it sucks and all, but ... you know, just stop doing it?

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Internet companies became convinced that their users should experience a sense of "community." The thing they didn't think about was that a sense of community comes along with a sense of ownership. So instead of just moving on, your community criticizes you for ruining "their" message board / site / game / whatever.

  • I am pretty sure that death threats are a criminal offense, so we should be be prosecuting those individuals. I assume the moderators haven't the time to spend or the knowledge to pursue that, and I am not sure the local police would know what to do. But stopping this kind of behavior would pay probably have a positive payback because it would curb future abuses. Reddit should be helping out with that.

  • Keeping the front page of the internet clean has become a thankless and abusive task, and yet Reddit's administration has repeatedly neglected to respond to moderators who report offenses.

    Umm, then don't do it. If it really is that odious a task and you aren't being paid then feel free to do something else. If you continue to do it then it must not be all that bad. The nice thing about being a volunteer is that you can quite any time without any personal consequences. I assure you that the world will go on if Reddit moderators start quitting.

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