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Beta Release Nears For BeOS-inspired Open Source OS Haiku (computerworld.com.au) 69

angry tapir writes: Just over 17 years since the project launched, and more than 18 years since the last release of the operating system that inspired it, the open source Haiku OS is nearing a beta release.
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Beta Release Nears For BeOS-inspired Open Source OS Haiku

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  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:11PM (#57277040) Journal

    I just want to know if Haiku OS will have support for my Riva 128 and my Soundblaster 16.

    • It's open source and thus, by definition, supports whatever you want it to. Same thing we said when Linux came out.

      https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/... [haiku-os.org]

      Looks like anything FreeBSD can do, Haiku can, with a little tweaking. So if your hw has FreeBSD drivers, you can mod them to Haiku. Don't be afraid to get your hands dirty, it's really no worse than writing mods for Minecraft.

    • Haiku's support of Nvidia cards is rudimentary (no graphics acceleration) and begins at NV4. However, I'm sure Riva 128 can do standard VESA graphics, so it should work fine. Bioforge requires no hardware accelerated graphics, so VESA isn't a problem.

      Soundblaster 16 is supported. [haiku-os.org]

      But for realz, if you want to play Bioforge, you should just run it using DOSBox.

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        The problem with VESA on Nvidia cards is the shortage of wide screen support and the difficulty (or impossibly) of patching the BIOS to support wide screen modes, something that is relatively easy with ATI or Intel VESA modes. Other then that, todays CPU's can drive VESA pretty fast.

        • What you are forgetting is that these cards are all SVGA output only. If the monitor accepts SVGA, it's going to handle the 3:4 aspect ratio just fine.

          • by dryeo ( 100693 )

            It's still nice if you have a wide screen monitor such as 1680x1050 with a VGA port, to patch the BIOS to output 1680x1050.
            Posted on an OS/2 system running on an old ATI card (though not as old as the ones you reference) using VESA and patched for 1680x1050.

    • Just like BeOS, it suppodts VESA. It used to support some really obscure card, which I just so happened to have. Very happy day.

      I still have a laptop in the attic wih BeOS on it. Cant aay the same for Windows os OS/2

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:18PM (#57277070)
    Versions 5, 7 and then 5 again.
  • by jd ( 1658 ) <imipakNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:27PM (#57277094) Homepage Journal

    The OS market has shriveled over the years, research OS' aren't contributing much to the scene and the Big Three (Windows, Linux, NetBSD) are showing signs of stagnation.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      The world needs more OS and file system competition.
  • Rather than beep
    Or a rude error message:
    These words: "File Not Found".

    Errors have occurred.
    We won't tell you where or why -
    Lazy programmers!

    Chaos reigns within.
    Reflect, repent, and reboot
    Order will return.

    For a new PC,
    Center of my universe,
    I abandon all.

    The code was willing!
    It considered your request,
    But the chips were weak.

    Everything is gone.
    Your life's work has been destroyed.
    Squeeze trigger? (yes/no)

    A file that big?
    It might be very useful.
    But now it is gone.

    No keyboard present
    Hit F1 to continue
    Zen engine

  • by najajomo ( 4890785 ) on Saturday September 08, 2018 @06:39PM (#57277606)
    Like a lot of other real innovaton, Microsoft tried to strangle BeOS at birth. In this case by leaning on Hitachi to remove BeOS from the boot sequence.

    Microsoft Settles Anti-Trust Charges with Be [internetnews.com]

    Microsoft Litigation [groklaw.net]
  • by blind biker ( 1066130 ) on Saturday September 08, 2018 @07:58PM (#57277836) Journal

    I loved BeOS. Fuck it, I still love it - still the ONLY OS that completely prioritizes the user. When you interact with the OS you can feel it actually listens to you. None of that "wait, I got a huge file to copy, but I'll be with you in a few seconds". No, BeOS has interaction with the user as it's highest priority. AFAIK it is a near-real time OS, which helps with media processing and replay. Also, extremely low latencies, useful for MIDI sequencers and softsynths.

    But I wasn't really happy with what Haiku-OS was doing. The team was working not to create the main working skeleton of BeOS, but rather some ancillary projects like package management. BeOS did not have a package manager. Sure, that's not nice but all I wanted is to at least get to the point of readiness of BeOS, not shoot for the moon.

    And because of decisions like that, after 17 years we're only at a Beta stage. Sad.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I loved BeOS. Fuck it, I still love it - still the ONLY OS that completely prioritizes the user. When you interact with the OS you can feel it actually listens to you. None of that "wait, I got a huge file to copy, but I'll be with you in a few seconds". No, BeOS has interaction with the user as it's highest priority. AFAIK it is a near-real time OS, which helps with media processing and replay. Also, extremely low latencies, useful for MIDI sequencers and softsynths.

      But I wasn't really happy with what Haiku-OS was doing. The team was working not to create the main working skeleton of BeOS, but rather some ancillary projects like package management. BeOS did not have a package manager. Sure, that's not nice but all I wanted is to at least get to the point of readiness of BeOS, not shoot for the moon.

      And because of decisions like that, after 17 years we're only at a Beta stage. Sad.

      While PM delayed things, Haiku now has a wide selection of ports including QT apps helping to solve the "no software at launch" issue. Joy. (Who says "Sad." really?)

      https://twitter.com/kallisti5/status/1038451101526384640

      • by Anonymous Coward

        BeOS _did_ have a software manager - Be purchased Starcode's "Software Valet" and included that with BeOS.

        • Except those apps didn't have complex dependencies like today's apps. Linux (and other ported) apps expect a large number of dependencies to be filled.
    • by irving47 ( 73147 ) on Sunday September 09, 2018 @12:32AM (#57278474) Homepage

      True all that. I remember putting it on a Power Macintosh 8600 or 7500 I had access to and watching the windows redraw and play video files while moving them around on the screen was mind-boggling. The same task on Windows and Mac OS 8 or 9 at the time was enough to drop the machine to its knees. It was amazing.

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