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Driverless Car Hype Gives Way To E-Scooter Mania Among Technorati (nbcnews.com) 133

Millions of dollars in funding and billions of dollars in valuations have made scooters the next big thing since the last big thing. From a report: When Michael Ramsey, an analyst for technology research firm Gartner, started in February to put together his 2018 "hype cycle" report for the future of transportation, he had plenty of topics to choose from: electric vehicles, flying cars, 5G, blockchain, and, of course, autonomous vehicles. But one type of transportation is conspicuously absent from the results of the report: electric scooters. "At the time, outside of California, these scooters were really not that common," Ramsey said. "That's how much has happened." As for autonomous vehicles, which have enjoyed years of hype as the next big thing, Ramsey labeled them sliding into "the trough of disillusionment," which Ramsey described as "when expectations don't meet the truth."

In a matter of months, electric scooter startups have gone from tech oddity to global phenomenon. In some cities, hundreds of scooters suddenly showed up on streets from companies including Bird and Lime, leaving municipalities to figure out how to handle the sudden influx of two-wheeled travelers. The concept behind the scooters is simple: A user can grab any available scooter, unlock it with an app, ride to their destination, and leave the scooter there for someone else to use. Even by the hyper-growth expectations of Silicon Valley, the rise of scooter companies has been dizzying. Scooters can be found in more than 125 cities in the U.S. and more than 10 across the globe. In the year after their launch, both Lime and Bird said their scooters had been used for more than 10 million rides.

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Driverless Car Hype Gives Way To E-Scooter Mania Among Technorati

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  • modern day (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ole_timer ( 4293573 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:37PM (#57494122)
    suicide
    • So.... I find one and ride it to work. Someone else takes it elsewhere. How do I get home? Cab?
      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Well, yah fat bastards, have you considered walking because you know obesity epidemic. Walk you dumb fuckers and burn some of that fat off. Walking promotes circulation of all bodily fluids, ensuring the waste is removed and fresh stuff delivered to where it is needed.

        Just fucking walk already, it is really actually factually good for you, do it as much as possible, as often as possible. Boiling water, don't stand there and wait, walk around your home, don't get on an electric scooter walk. Go to the local

  • Too easy to steal (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:42PM (#57494162)
    they homeless are having a field day with them. It's pretty easy to yank off the GPS and walk off with them. The batteries have value as scrap too and there's plenty of shady recycling centers that don't ask questions.

    This'll go away when the investor cash dries up and they'll be clogging landfills the world over.
    • they'll be clogging landfills the world over.

      We're getting there [theatlantic.com]

  • Overnight (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mobby_6kl ( 668092 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:49PM (#57494220)

    Don't really have much to say about the scooters themselves but it's really bizarre how they showed up almost overnight. I've read stories about some American cities bitching about them even here on /. but there wasn't a single shared scooter here (city in central Europe).

    Occasionally you'd see some dork ride an electric scooter or one of those unicycles and even those were pretty rare. I went away for three weeks on vacation, and when I got back they're all over the place.

    One thing I've noticed before though is that a lot of successful local startups are essentially clones of what's been tried before in the US. One of a major and oldest companies here is a clone of Yahoo, there is also a clone of Groupon, and so on. I'm not really sure how financially successful these scooter companies are, but somebody is probably making money so this might've been a decent opportunity.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      "Blitzkreig" is the term that you were looking for.

      Bird, Lime, etc. knew exactly what they were doing. They knew that there would be resistance from a substantial part of the populace, that city governments would have issues with hundreds of unlicensed scooters littering the street, that some cities would want to regulate, etc.

      So they swooped in under the radar, got them established and in use by the part of the populace who thinks this is a good idea, and now they can say "Nyah, nyah, it's easier to ask f

    • Re:Overnight (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Dorianny ( 1847922 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:14PM (#57494364) Journal
      It is not "bizarre." They are simply following Uber's tactics of avoiding regulation by entrenching themselves before regulators have time to react. Once money is in play things get politically "tricky" for the regulators
    • Re:Overnight (Score:4, Informative)

      by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:31PM (#57494454)

      They're dumping the massive overproduction in China. Electric scooters have been a thing there for at least half a decade at this point, and as with all things Chinese, they tend to overproduce massively after initial need is met.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        They're dumping the massive overproduction in China. Electric scooters have been a thing there for at least half a decade at this point, and as with all things Chinese, they tend to overproduce massively after initial need is met.

        I saw the Great Khan riding one at his palace when I visited there in 1355.
        Or was it 1439...?

    • Re:Overnight (Score:4, Interesting)

      by joh ( 27088 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:37PM (#57494488)

      It's not that easy in Europe. They have quite stringent regulations for vehicles and while bicycles are bicycles (and basically 100% unregulated for historical reasons), scooters are just as rare as Segways because they're treated basically as powered toys that are not allowed on public streets. No way. Trying the same as in SF would just get you a into big and expensive trouble in Europe. You may see single people driving around with them as long as nobody cares, but dump a shitload of them onto the streets and try to make money with them and you'll be very surprised what happens to you there.

      • It's not that easy in Europe. They have quite stringent regulations for vehicles and while bicycles are bicycles (and basically 100% unregulated for historical reasons), scooters are just as rare as Segways because they're treated basically as powered toys that are not allowed on public streets. No way. Trying the same as in SF would just get you a into big and expensive trouble in Europe. You may see single people driving around with them as long as nobody cares, but dump a shitload of them onto the streets and try to make money with them and you'll be very surprised what happens to you there.

        Surprised ?? Not really. Europe is well known for countries having a model where all permissions are denied unless explicitly granted.

        • by R3d M3rcury ( 871886 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @05:31PM (#57495100) Journal

          I read something recently that made me chuckle:

          "In France, everything is allowed unless it's explicitly denied,
            in Germany, everything is denied unless it's explicitly allowed,
            in Russia, everything is denied even if it's explicitly allowed,
            and in Italy, everything is allowed especially if it's explicitly denied."

          My roommate and I just got back from Italy and I was surprised that this Italian company had no problem renting her a Vespa without an International driver's license. "Just look out for the police."

          • by Crashmarik ( 635988 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @06:16PM (#57495272)

            Here's an oldie but it's definitely on target

            Heaven in Europe is where

                    the English are the policemen
                    the French are the cooks
                    the German are the mechanics
                    the Italians are the lovers
                    and the Swiss organize everything

            Hell in Europe is where

                    the German are the policemen
                    the English are the cooks
                    the French are the mechanics
                    the Swiss are the lovers
                    and the Italians organize everything

      • by spitzak ( 4019 )

        Bull. I was just in Paris. Not only are Bird and Lime scooters in use, there were many many apparently privately owned motorized scooters in use, perhaps more than bicycles.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      No. Last year it was bike sharing. They all lost money as there's no competitive advantage other than first mover; no way to protect your IP as there's practically nothing to patent.

      Bike sharing calmed down, because stories like this Chinese company who went bankrupt because all the bikes were stolen were common. Same thing will happen here.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40351409

    • Re:Overnight (Score:5, Informative)

      by LynnwoodRooster ( 966895 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @05:39PM (#57495134) Journal
      It's OK - these "innovators" are just doing what was already being done in China. Scooter and bike rentals have been a thing for quite a while in Shenzhen, Shanghai, Beijing, and other big cities, for quite a while.
  • by Cinnamon Beige ( 1952554 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:49PM (#57494222)

    I don't see this as lasting very long--haven't we already seen an article about a city banning these things? And my first run-in with one was with somebody who was of the definite opinion that "I am on an electric scooter!" means that they automatically have right of way over everybody & do not have to obey the traffic rules. (I admittedly don't know which set applies, but I'm going to bet that you won't go wrong by assuming that the ones that apply to bikes apply to scooters, powered or not.)

    I'm not advocating for it or anything, but...if you have a significant percentage of people using these things being idiots and assholes, it's going to only be a matter of time until they either get banned or start requiring a license to use. I don't particularly care, though; I'm just gonna kick back and enjoy the show.

  • by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:51PM (#57494230)
    Every one I see on a sidewalk gets tossed by me.

    1. You can't just leave your shit in the middle of the sidewalk. That's called littering.
    2. You can't operate a business in the middle of the sidewalk. That's illegal in every municipality that I know of.
    3. The really hurt disabled people, such as people in wheelchairs and the blind.

    If I can, I just one foot underneath the middle of the things, and launch them somewhere else, out of the way. I'd put them in the trash, if it were worth my time.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:00PM (#57494284)

      You can't just destroy property, that's an illegal act.

      It's also unwise for an anti-social criminal to share details of their criminal behavior online.

      • by DogDude ( 805747 )
        Property left in the middle of a public sidewalk is abandoned. It's probably illegal to abandon property on a sidewalk.
        • by hey! ( 33014 )

          Well, what about a bike locked to a parking meter? Is that free to take?

          IIRC, these things have motion alarms that will sound if someone attempts to move them without unlocking them, which is an attempt at least by their owners to secure them.

          The issue here isn't abandoning stuff, nor is it using public spaces for profit, which you generally can do if the activity is not expressly forbidden. The issue is using public spaces in a way that inconveniences other users.

          If you can get away with that, making the

          • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

            motion alarms that will sound if someone attempts to move them without unlocking them, which is an attempt at least by their owners to secure them.

            That is not an attempt to secure them. That is an attempt to prevent people from moving property from where it's been improperly abandoned.

            And just like with car alarms, especially since a large number of people hate the things being strewn across their sidewalks, essentially will care about this "securement."

          • Well, what about a bike locked to a parking meter? Is that free to take?

            At least in Los Angeles and San Francisco, using a parking meter as a bike stand/lock stand is illegal. Whilst I may not take it, a quick call to the local authority will have it cut free and impounded.

        • Good luck with that claim I court. You know damn well it isn't abandoned property.
        • Property left in the middle of a public sidewalk is not abandoned. It *might* be abandoned. It might also be lost, or mislaid. It might even be *authorized* to be there. All of these usually have different laws attached how someone who finds such property may deal with it...

          Property is generally deemed to have been abandoned if it is found in a place where the true owner likely intended to leave it, but is in such a condition that it is apparent that he or she has no intention of returning to claim i
          • Property left in the middle of a public sidewalk is not abandoned. It *might* be abandoned. It might also be lost, or mislaid.

            It's definitely obstructing a public right of way. I'm under no obligation to put myself at risk by walking in the road, so if it accidentally gets knocked over as I squeeze past it gets knocked over.

            • Yup, it's definitely obstructing a public right of way. And while you're under no obligation to put yourself at risk by walking in the road, you also have no authority to do anything about the obstruction other than report it to the proper authorities. Just like when the Fedex truck is double parked in front of a building: while it definitely is obstructing a public right of way, you're not allowed to move the truck yourself...

              And if you were to *accidentally* knock it over as you squeezed past, that wo
    • If I can, I just one foot underneath the middle of the things, and launch them somewhere else, out of the way.

      Where is more out of the way than they are? I've usually seem them propped against posts or buildings, standing up so they are not taking up much walking space.

      If you "launch it with a foot" it will land on it's side - either on the sidewalk, or on the street, or maybe into a side of a car. There is no scenario I can see where tossing the thing several feet results in better placement, in fact all

    • Please, please post a link to any video of you kicking over hot dog carts or espresso stands!

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:52PM (#57494236)

    So wait, first it was driverless cars, now it is scooters that are hot...

    Obvious next new hot trend: Autonomous Scooters.

  • ... Driverless E-Scooters.

  • Winter will see a major dip in scooter usage.

  • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:54PM (#57494248)

    free batteries, charging systems, maybe sim cards, and some metal to sell as scrap. Yay makers

    • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

      free batteries, charging systems, maybe sim cards, and some metal to sell as scrap. Yay makers

      Why not disable the security and just sell cheap working electric scooters?

  • Not to forget an emoji based authentication system.
    • Not to forget an emoji based authentication system.

      Maybe add a captcha and a bookface/Google/Oauth authentication

  • Always some new BS isn't there?

    Remember Segways?

  • by pedantic bore ( 740196 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:09PM (#57494338)
    I'm guessing that this infatuation with scooters will end very quickly in many cities once there's snow and ice on the roads.
    • by rlp ( 11898 )

      Put a track between the wheels, small skis on either side and you've got e-motorized skis or mini e-snowmobiles (And yes I'm joking)

  • The Segway was released with a lot of fanfare and after a lot of a secrecy and teasing. Some luminaries (like the late Steve Jobs) who had privileged previous access to it, claimed that it was going to revolutionized transportation. We all know what happened. Motorized scooters, albeit less expensive, are trying to occupy the much-needed gap that the Segway tried to occupy. My prediction: motorized scooters are a fad. In a year's time, most of us will have forgotten about them. It will still be possible to
    • I will say, however, that segways are really cool. A friend convinced me to do one of those "segway tours of the city", in this case Las Vegas. I thought they'd be stupid, but the Segway was actually really intuitive and kind of a thrill to roll around on.
      Of course, you can't afford to buy your own unless you're willing to put down motorcycle level cash, but otherwise they're fun.

    • Yes, I remember the pre-Segway hype when the Silicon Valley luminaries loudly proclaimed that cities will be rebuilt around them , at least until it became known they were only good for a 1 hour ride. I hope your prediction is correct, because in Southern California they are being dumped into the most congested beach cities where they won't do anything to alleviate pedestrian or motor traffic, indeed they will make it even worse by adding random unskilled motorists into the mix.
  • by FilmedInNoir ( 1392323 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:17PM (#57494378)
    Technorati is the name of a business that got bought out in 2016 and got shut down. Did Google type stuff.
    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Technorati is the name of a business that got bought out in 2016 and got shut down. Did Google type stuff.

      No, a Technorati was a word that predated that site. Its a portmanteau of "technology" and "literati" (literati means literate in Latin). In modern parlance literati has been used to as a suffix to describe people considered to be at the forefront of whatever the first word is, however it is often used ironically to indicate that the literati have no idea about what they're on about and should be ignored. The website used the name because of it's meaning (the non ironic one I would assume).

      Technocrat is

  • Cry me a river.

    Fossil fuels are over.

    • Yet the world still runs on fossil fuels.

      I appreciate the idealism, but get serious.

      • I am serious. Read. The. Fine. Article.

        Notice anything missing?

        Yup, fossil fuels.

        Here in the West, around 80-98 percent of our electricity is green, not from fossil fuels. By 2020 80 percent of all trucks and cars sold in BC and CA will be either 100 percent electric or 80/20 hybrids. Including most medium and long haul trucks. In fact, Mexico plans to run self-driving tractor trailer trucks north, along highways, in their own lanes, half way up the US.

        Any investor can see it coming.

        Adapt.

  • Companies brought in these scooters into cities without any interaction with city goverment.
    I have also seen a number of post's about idiot drivers who haven't a clue on safety.
    I am not against the idea, just think it should have been thought out better.
  • Scooters have a fundamental problem for adults. Small wheels combined with high centre of gravity gives a very small reaction time for unexpected or misjudged obstacles.
    Who funds this crap anyway? Too easy too steal, too easy to have accidents, littering side walks. What's wrong with 'gasp' walking?

  • I'm not clear why they are allowed to be left blocking the sidewalks... do they pay the city for the privilege of using up acres of sidewalk space?
    • do they pay the city for the privilege of using up acres of sidewalk space?

      Do motorists pay the city for using up acres of road space (i.e., on-street parking)?

      In some cases, yes.

      Don't get me wrong, I think the things are a nuisance for just the reasons you describe: there's no place to put them so people just leave them where-ever--the assholes leave them in the middle of the sidewalk while the nice people might try to find a somewhat out of the way place if possible.

      My attitude on things like bike/e-bike/scooter type rentals is that they should be required to rent a parking spa

      • I'm not sure about elsewhere but in general in the USA you can park on the side of the road, as close to the curb as possible, anywhere that such parking is not explicitly forbidden by signage or other marking. There are some additional rules that you ostensibly have to know in order to be licensed to drive such as not parking in front of a fire hydrant, driveway, too close to an intersection. Most jurisdictions also specify a maximum distance from the curb although I've never seen anyone issued a ticket fo

  • Don't just release scooters without any means to park and store them properly.

    Work with the cities and towns to install locking parkings. In order to return the scooter, you need to dock it. If you don't, the bill is still running on your account.

  • Once the lawsuits start rolling in on injuries, and people begin to realize these things are rolling accidents waiting to happen,they will fade away into the sunset just like hoverboards.

  • Even gas scooter get 92MPG (Piaggio Liberty 150)
    Many motorcycles get 65MPG.

    Make things safer for pedestrians, bicyclists, scooterists, and motorcyclists.

    Reduction of Preventable Bicycle, Motorcycle, and Small Vehicle Hazards

    Signaling
    No traffic light may ever direct a motorist to drive toward a pedestrian.
    Currently, many traffic lights direct left-turning traffic to cross while the pedestrian is directed to walk. While many drivers yield, often the motorist will false-start when/if they notice the pedestrian
  • I started seeing these BIRD scooters in my area recently. If I'm walking and I come across one, I'm chucking it in the nearest dumpster. They're fucking blocking the sidewalks.

  • God Damn you!! That's all I gotta say...
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