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Twitter Plans To Remove 'Like' Button in a Bid To Improve the Quality of Debate, Report Says (telegraph.co.uk) 185

Twitter is planning to remove the ability to "like" tweets in a radical move that aims to improve the quality of debate on the social network, UK news outlet The Telegraph (paywalled) reports, citing CEO Jack Dorsey's comments at a recent company event. From the report: Founder Jack Dorsey last week admitted at a Twitter event that he was not a fan of the heart-shaped button and that it would be getting rid of it "soon." The feature was introduced in 2015 to replace "favourites," a star-shaped button that allowed people to bookmark tweets to read later. Update: In a statement, Twitter neither confirmed nor denied the report, adding that it was indeed in the process of rethinking "everything." It said, "As we've been saying for a while, we are rethinking everything about the service to ensure we are incentivizing healthy conversation, that includes the like button. We are in the early stages of the work and have no plans to share right now."
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Twitter Plans To Remove 'Like' Button in a Bid To Improve the Quality of Debate, Report Says

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  • by swinferno ( 1212408 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:44AM (#57553945)

    Wonder if the bookmark option will come back. That made more sense to me anyway.

    • by MightyYar ( 622222 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:48AM (#57553969)

      It will be replaced by a selection of other emojis, including mad, laughing, sad, laughing, and woah.

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        You forgot the "triggered" emoji.

        • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

          by cayenne8 ( 626475 )
          I'm wondering what the problem with the "like" button is?

          Could it be that too many people are liking the "wrong" things?

          Perhaps too many people are liking things that go against the political bent of the Twitter owners/management believe in?

          • I assume it is that burning someone may get support from someone else and as such encourage that behaviour.

            Also maybe some who write constructive comments get no love and as such feel the world think they are bad and stops.

          • by Sique ( 173459 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:01AM (#57554727) Homepage
            The problem is that the "Like" button wasn't technically an "I appove" button, but a "keep me informed about the tweet" button. Thus people who wanted to stay informed, had to "like" something they might not approve of, e.g. a hurrican made landfall and a tweet about damages and evacuations was something you definitely wanted to know, but that doesn't mean you approve to the hurrican making landfall or the way evacuations were executed.
          • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:07AM (#57554771)

            I'm wondering what the problem with the "like" button is?

            Could it be that too many people are liking the "wrong" things?

            Perhaps too many people are liking things that go against the political bent of the Twitter owners/management believe in?

            Who knows. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept of Twitter and "quality of debate".

            Twitter is not a place for debate, and in no way shape or form does quality of anything have anything to do with the place.

            It is however, a fine place for intellectually or emotionally challenged individuals to spout off within the limitations of their ability. Any thing that comes in a nutshell belongs in one.

            • It is however, a fine place for intellectually or emotionally challenged individuals to spout off within the limitations of their ability.

              Largely accurate, but mainstream "news" is largely becoming a restating of fights on Twitter. So now it's affecting all of us, whether we use the platform or not.

              • It is however, a fine place for intellectually or emotionally challenged individuals to spout off within the limitations of their ability.

                Largely accurate, but mainstream "news" is largely becoming a restating of fights on Twitter. So now it's affecting all of us, whether we use the platform or not.

                Part of why my method of getting my news from multiple outlets is even better now than it used to be. The interesting issue is what the news presenters choose not to report on, and what they belabor.

          • I'm wondering what the problem with the "like" button is?

            Could it be that too many people are liking the "wrong" things?

            Perhaps too many people are liking things that go against the political bent of the Twitter owners/management believe in?

            Perhaps too many people, trolls, and bots are liking conspiracy theories and false news, irregardless of the political leaning, causing them to spread and grow like a virus.

            Too many people blindly "like" things that fits their narrative and spend no time using critical thinking to check to see if it's true or not, I'm sure that bots are using likes to push narratives to the top of the pile, and we won't get into trolls as they just like to blow things up....

          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            I'm wondering what the problem with the "like" button is?

            Could it be that too many people are liking the "wrong" things?

            Wow this is the finest example of narcissistic victim mentality I've ever seen.

            Here's a free clue: not everything that happens is about oppressing you.

            The like button is crap and always has been. It means everything from "I agree", to "I like the sentiment" to "I'm glad you pasted that" to "hello I'm here like me back". And it's counted so people go fishing for likes because more is bett

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    • by Anonymous Coward

      The bookmark option IS back, at least, on the Android app.

      Somewhat confusingly hidden under the share button.

    • Every browser that I'm aware of already has bookmarks. You should try that feature. It works really well.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Such voting systems tend to let every discussion platform devolve into something as low as politics. And by that I don't mean real world politics, but what politicians tend to do when conversing with each other or the public.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Say what you will about Reddit's voting system, but being able to vote down flamebait is essential to a functioning conversation. The main issue there is when someone makes a witty remark which de-rails the serious conversation.

      From what I've seen, Slashdot has one of the worst systems, as flamebait ends up stickied at the top, with the original shit-post long since deleted, but it's up there because of the string of butthurt replies that continues to grow.

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        Say what you will about Reddit's voting system, but being able to vote down flamebait is essential to a functioning conversation. The main issue there is when someone makes a witty remark which de-rails the serious conversation.

        "Please protect me from any ideas I disagree with. Such hate speech triggers me, and I need a safe space". Hey, if all you want is NPC scripts agreeing with your ideas constantly, you might tell Twitter to stop blocking those guys.

        Twitter already has the ability to block people you don't want to hear from, and to follow people you do want to hear from. People already abuse that with "block lists" to allow others to think for them, and block people pre-emptively. Seems any set of tools will devolve into

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Complaining about people not liking their ideas whilst referring to people who he disagrees with as "NPC". Trying to dehumanize people he disagrees with.

          Hypocrite much?

    • by 605dave ( 722736 )

      Says the person on a site with a voting system

  • Please copy bookface (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Tomahawk ( 1343 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:55AM (#57554001) Homepage

    It's like to be able to say 'like' or 'don't like' or 'funny', 'sad', etc, similar to what Bookface do. Add more option, don't take the option away. Learn from how your users want to use your product, don't dictate.

    • by forkfail ( 228161 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:10AM (#57554075)

      You are the product.

      Exercise for the student: who are the users?

      • It's not that simple. We are the product, but we are also the users. Everyone who continues to use these services gets something that they value, otherwise they stop using them and disappear.

        Yes, advertisements are shown and any personal data we provide is likely to be sold in order to pay for the service. We all have free will, however, and we all decide for ourselves whether what we get out of the service is worth that exchange.

        • well that's true if you assume transparency etc... The reason why it needs to be discussed and pointed out, is a lot of the people don't understand this. There's a reason why pyramid schemes etc... are illegal. They make money off of ignorance. Now some of facebooks users understand everything they put on facebook is going to be mined and sold to companies willing to pay for it. Some actually are completely in the dark and just assume it's voodoo paying for their usage of it.
    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:43AM (#57554261) Journal
      What with today's censorship - mandated by the state, self-imposed, AI driven, whatever - and political correctness, perhaps it makes more sense to remove the ability to tweet, and only have buttons to like / dislike pre-approved tweets from "authorized authors"
      • by tsqr ( 808554 )

        What with today's censorship - mandated by the state, self-imposed, AI driven, whatever - and political correctness, perhaps it makes more sense to remove the ability to tweet, and only have buttons to like / dislike pre-approved tweets from "authorized authors"

        Careful there, buddy. You're about to be inundated with the ususal BS about "it isn't censorship unless it's being done by the government."

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Simple likes do have some advantages. The fact that you can't down mod prevents a lot of trolling and control of the narrative by censorship. It forces people to post a reply instead of just modding down. You see both sides of the argument.

      • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

        Here's the problem with your idea though. It also doesn't give a barometer to how shitty a post/point/view is. So you get some feminist spouting "Kill all men" or some politician saying "Trump supporters are white hicks with no teeth(sic)." And you'll see plenty of likes, the dissenting posts will be buried(if they're not buried by bot posts/algorithm tampering), and the option to "vote down" those shitty posts which doesn't exist, really isn't showing that the person is out of their mind.

        Rather it reinf

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          The shit-o-meter is how many up-votes the dissenting reply gets.

          Often on Twitter the best posts are replies, and you can see them as a thread with the original post and any subsequent discussion. The original poster can't bury them down down-votes.

          • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

            Often on Twitter the best posts are replies, and you can see them as a thread with the original post and any subsequent discussion. The original poster can't bury them down down-votes.

            Before or after Twitter was operating the word/phrase ban? Or before or after it actually started banning bots that would automatically dump replies, then favorite it so it gets to the top of the post?

            The original poster can block a person replying, and that person shows up as "unavailable" in their feed. So they can indeed bury them.

      • > The fact that you can't down mod prevents a lot of trolling and control of the narrative by censorship.

        Bullshit.

        Over in /r/minecraft it is "illegal" to discuss the history of famous minecraft servers such, as 2B2T, because one can't discuss server names. WTF??? Who knew discussing history was "illegal"! *facepalm* (I'm assuming the intent was probably to stop server spam.)

        The lack of downvotes is idiotic. How do you convey that the information is mis-leading or incorrect???

        Both upvotes, downvotes are

    • You need a "smiley face" to indicate that you "like" something? Are you functionally illiterate? Mentally challenged? A child under the age of 4?
      • You need a "smiley face" to indicate that you "like" something? Are you functionally illiterate? Mentally challenged? A child under the age of 4?

        Nope. Just President of the United States. :-)

        [ Note the smiley face. It's a joke. Sure it hits *really* close to home, but a joke none-the-less. ]

  • woah (Score:3, Interesting)

    by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:55AM (#57554003) Journal

    The feature was introduced in 2015 to replace "favourites," a star-shaped button that allowed people to bookmark tweets to read later.

    You don't have enough time to read a tweet now, but you do have enough time to realize that you should read it later?

    • Re:woah (Score:5, Informative)

      by MightyYar ( 622222 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:59AM (#57554023)

      I don't know what any of you do with Twitter, but marking things for followup seems reasonable enough. It's not necessarily just for reading the tweet, but for the content linked in the tweet or as a reminder to revisit it later to see how the conversation has progressed or to comment yourself.

      • I don't know what any of you do with Twitter, but marking things for followup seems reasonable enough. It's not necessarily just for reading the tweet, but for the content linked in the tweet or as a reminder to revisit it later to see how the conversation has progressed or to comment yourself.

        That makes sense. Bookmarking a tweet just struck me as funny at first sight. (But then, I don't use twitter.)

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You are aware of twitter threads?

    • by Hentes ( 2461350 )

      Often Twitter is used as a poor man's RSS, with tweets just being links to the main article.

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    • by Anonymous Coward

      The feature was introduced in 2015 to replace "favourites," a star-shaped button that allowed people to bookmark tweets to read later.

      You don't have enough time to read a tweet now, but you do have enough time to realize that you should read it later?

      Exactly what I was thinking. Bookmarking tweets is like collecting fortunes out of cookies to make into a book you might read later.

      Besides, let's be honest; The FOMO Generation is obligated to read and/or respond right fucking now. You're some kind of loser if you're 15 minutes behind everyone else.

  • After you've banned all the dissenting voices?

    Or, as a certain ideological orientation is wont to do, are we redefining debate to mean obedient agreement?

    • You have to remember, @Jack is getting a lot of heat right now. Congress is breathing down his neck, stock analysts, too. The echo chambers have lots of fake users, and there are now apps to tell how many fake followers you have and rate them.

      So times are tough for him. He wants to take the steam out of his kettle. This was a messaging app without a business model, but folks like hizzoner-the-prez gives ad views lots of momentum. Eyeballs wait to see what the fearless leader of the USA will babble next.

      If y

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Let's face it, Twitter debates look like this [pics.me.me], removing a 'like' button will do little to improve the situation.

  • by Chrisq ( 894406 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:02AM (#57554037)
    (that's all) -- seriously removing like could jest result in lots of comments like "yes", "agree", or "ok"
    • by Zocalo ( 252965 )
      +1 :)
    • by lgw ( 121541 )

      Me too!

    • by DogDude ( 805747 )
      (that's all) -- seriously removing like could jest result in lots of comments like "yes", "agree", or "ok"

      Right. So? Does clicking a little "smiley face" or a "thumbs up" indicate something deeper than "yes", "agree", or "OK"?
      • by Quirkz ( 1206400 )

        It doesn't clutter up genuine comments that are written as replies. Scrolling through 3 yesses for every real comment sounds like a terrible replacement.

  • by forkfail ( 228161 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:05AM (#57554047)

    Gimme a break. Twitter sells rage while attempting to maintain a certain agenda.

  • People who speak proper English can't have a productive debate and always keep to 140 characters or less. People who "excel" at Twitter are why Youtube stars are soon going to be running the world.
  • by kurkosdr ( 2378710 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @09:39AM (#57554573)
    Every social media platform tries to eliminate the "like" button lately. You see, if there is a "like" button and no "dislike" button (which can be abused by the internet thought patrol to silence dissidents), all voices will be heard and most importantly their impact will be assessed (to a degree). Which isn't good if you are progressive CEO of a "hip" tech startup who believes in political bullying and the silencing of "non-progressive" voices.
    • The minority in every context has to face the results of peer pressure. It's subjective as to how horrific that pressure may be. You special isolated snow flakes might freak out over relatively nothing. You also might be anti-social and need that popular peer pressure to trigger EVOLVED emotions so you either adapt to function in the social group or you leave and try to survive alone (which is easy in our modern disconnected abstracted society.)

      The majority power sets the guidelines... unless authoritaria

      • Up/down voting can be used by bullies. And, really what is the social value of up/down voting? Why should your response to anything I saw be binary? Let's say I post a simple statement saying I like the color red. Is that something that should have a binary response? Or let's extend and say trinary because you can always not respond. Is there really value in you giving me a thumbs up or thumbs down on the liking of red. if I truly like the color red and everyone else I know gives me thumbs down is th

        • The definition of bully needs work because people are using it too broadly. I've learned it by context which until recent times has always been an intimidation tactic used by the weak or lazy who at least can project a perception of power/confidence.

          Pressuring somebody is normal and being assertive is good thing. Today, somebody FEELING stress from another who is merely being assertive or pushy is being labeled as bullying. The shades of gray of reality are hard to put into words (easier to use numbers in

  • by ruddk ( 5153113 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:32AM (#57554933)

    The only winning move is not to use twitter.
    Because it is the perfect medium for twats. :)

  • by johnsie ( 1158363 ) on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:33AM (#57554947)
    It's a horrible place where the most horrible people are given soap boxes. I changed my password to something I wouldn't remember, logged out and never looked back. Facebook is in the same boat. Never got instagram. Seems to be just people posing and pretending to have lives, when in reality they spend most of their time trying to show that they have lives.
    • >I don't use social media but have my hot take on this

      Thanks. I use Twitter to follow artists and friends, and because I'm an adult I can filter out what I don't want to see. Agreed on Facebook, though.

      • by ruddk ( 5153113 )

        The sad thing is that the news media looks to Twitter to find "news", someone offended by something.
        The worst possible thing that the old media has done is "let's see what people say on Twitter".

        "If I am outraged enough or offended enough, maybe I get to be in the news"

    • by mea2214 ( 935585 )
      TV is a Sewer.. Twitter can be quite an informative beginning source for news and current events if you limit follows to subject matter experts judicious with their tweets and not people tweeting what they ate for breakfast or retweeting everything that comes into their feed.
  • Any bets one whether the button replacing this button will be a yellow moon or a green clover?
  • who would've(off) thunk.

  • Twitter it seems will not stop until the company is dead.

    The fact is that Twitter can never reconcile that to have a popular social network, they will have to allow for people of differing views to make use of it. They keep dancing around that basic fact yet will not embrace it, even though any time they get close it leads to more users.

  • TIL Twitter has debates.

    /s (?)

  • I can't help but read this as increasing the rate in which people readily agree with whatever ideas their blue checkmark agitators tell them they are supposed to agree with.

    Even North Korean elections aren't this disingenuous.

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