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Microsoft Resumes Rollout of Windows 10 Version 1809, Promises Quality Changes (zdnet.com) 139

Posted by msmash from the third-time's-the-charm dept.
Microsoft on Wednesday resumed the rollout of Windows 10 version 1809. The re-release of the so-called October 2018 Update comes more than five weeks after the company pulled the original installation files from its download servers and stopped its scheduled delivery through Windows Update. From a report: In a blog post, Microsoft's John Cable, the director of Program Management for Windows Servicing and Delivery, says the data-destroying bug that triggered that unprecedented decision, as well as other quality issues that emerged during the unscheduled hiatus, have been "thoroughly investigated and resolved."
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Microsoft Resumes Rollout of Windows 10 Version 1809, Promises Quality Changes

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  • And yet (Score:5, Insightful)

    by OYAHHH ( 322809 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:24PM (#57638614)

    As I sit here 4 or 5 days in my Windows 10 Professional version, bought, paid for, came on high end laptop from day one, is indicating that it is not a valid license and that I need to activate it.

    Are they promising lower quality?

    • The problem with Software-as-a-Service is you rarely are allowed to know the root cause of an issue, how to avoid this situation or others in the future. In the best case, itâ(TM)s just âoethank you for reporting the issue, weâ(TM)ve addressed it.â Iâ(TM)m the worst itâ(TM)s âoeplease try it again.â

      • The problem with Software-as-a-Service is you rarely are allowed to know the root cause of an issue

        Microsoft screwed up.

        how to avoid this situation or others in the future

        Don't go "ZOMG, updates! Must have NOW!!!" in the future. Wait for everybody else to be the guinea pigs.

        Also: Make backups.

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Don't go "ZOMG, updates! Must have NOW!!!" in the future. Wait for everybody else to be the guinea pigs.

          Or better, don't use Windows 10 or any other software that spies on you and won't allow you to control updates.

          I nearly bought a copy of Affinity Photo recently, until I discovered that it phones home with no way to disable that "feature". Now I'm warning people away from it.

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Anonymous Coward

          So everybody should wait for everybody else to get the software before getting the software. Sounds like a functional plan, let's do it.

          • I'm sure you have heard of "stable" software yea? like RHEL.. They literally wait for other people to get and use the software and fix the bugs present in software... for a loooong time before they add it into a Stable release. If your system must be stable, don't complain when you install bleeding edge software and shit breaks.

    • Microsoft "Promises Quality Changes".

      It seems to me that the fundamental issue is that Microsoft managers don't have the social ability to be good managers.

      The huge number of major problems with Windows 10 have damaged Microsoft's reputation.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        It seems to me that the fundamental issue is that Microsoft managers don't have the social ability to be good managers.

        I don't think that's necessarily it -- the issue is one of the fundamental flaw of DevOps.

        Let's look at the statement from TFA: We shifted the responsibility for base functional testing to our development teams in order to deliver higher quality code from the start.

        Well, allow me to retort: Your devs can't find bugs in your own damn code because if they knew what was broken, they'd h

    • Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @05:12PM (#57639450)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • As I sit here 4 or 5 days in my Windows 10 Professional version, bought, paid for, came on high end laptop from day one, is indicating that it is not a valid license and that I need to activate it.

      Are they promising lower quality?

      It's what you deserve for buying an OS with online drm. That's why many of us stuck to windows 7 and have any W10 copy we have we may need for other purposes quarantined on it's own machine.

  • This [movieboozer.com]

  • Quality? Really? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Syncerus ( 213609 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:48PM (#57638730)

    Not to sound the hater, but MS has been promising quality since Windows 3.1 and has instead delivered a pretty veneer draped over a pile of compiled sludge. Any time I've programmed Windows apps, admittedly not since Windows 7, I've stumbled into shortcuts, hacks, slovenly cruft, and a general non-adherence to their own stated best practices. At this point, the onus of proof is on Microsoft to **demonstrate** quality rather than talk about it. Three or four updates in a row that that don't trigger showstopper bugs would be a good start. The world doesn't need another MS PowerPoint explaining the greatness of Windows 10: it needs a working Windows 10.

    • Not to sound the hater, but MS has been promising quality since Windows 3.1 and has instead delivered a pretty veneer draped over a pile of compiled sludge.

      Wrong target. You're talking quality of the product, they are talking about quality of the updates. It is quite clear that in the era of Windows 10 quality of updates has fallen off the worlds tallest cliff.

      But the rest of your post is not hating. It's just fact. Just the latest in a line of updates that had to be halted for some people. Hell the April update was halted from Microsoft's own Surface devices as Surface Pros used the SSDs that were affected by a critical bug.

  • Versioning? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Surak_Prime ( 160061 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @03:05PM (#57638814)

    I really need an explanation for how they justify saying they've made revisions while keeping it as Version 1809. That isn't how it works. That isn't how any of this works.

    • 1809 is not its version number. It's version 10.0.17763. Not sure if that changed with the new release.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        its almost as if the release is labeled after the month it "in theory" went gold in... 2018 - 09

      • Re:Versioning? (Score:5, Informative)

        by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @05:18PM (#57639470)

        I can't believe I'm put in a stupid enough position to say this, but that is just the major version number. There are point releases after that. The version that was pulled was 10.0.17763.55. The current released version is 10.0.17763.107

    • I really need an explanation for how they justify saying they've made revisions while keeping it as Version 1809. That isn't how it works. That isn't how any of this works.

      That is exactly how it works. The number 1809 is just a name representing the targetted release month. The actual version number of the release that was pulled was 10.0.17763.55.

      The current released version is 10.0.17763.107

      • so what, it's an unknown version of operating system a windows box runs with unknown capabilities. "do I have the win 10 that does x y and z" "no you have the p q and s version, they dropped x - z last fall you moron"

        • so what, it's an unknown version of operating system a windows box runs with unknown capabilities.

          Not at all. There's no capability differences between the releases of Windows 10 1809. The list of features are identical regardless of the minor versioning behind it, and are different from the version which came prior to it: 1804.

          If you're confused then you must be intentionally confusing yourself.

          • read what you wrote, features are identical but are different from the ones that came prior

            yeah, you are the one confused

            the TRUTH is that people have found devices and applications suddenly incompatible with the minor version number creep.

            it's a mess

            • read what you wrote, features are identical but are different from the ones that came prior

              Since you're only able to read and understand one sentence at a time and seem to be confused by the use of a colon let me rephrase:
              "The list of features in the current 1809 and in the pulled 1809 are identical regardless of the minor versioning of 107 vs 55 behind it, and are different from the version of windows 10 colloquially known as 1804 which came prior to it"

              yeah, you are the one confused

              Please learn the English.

    • 1809 is not the version number, its the release date.

      2018-09-??

  • This is why I keep my version frozen at 1703. It works and I don't want to mess with problems as I've got plenty to do without being my own IT manager.

    • I tried to stay on 1511 because the 1703 update broke a bunch of my program icons (turned them into generic icons even when I specifically selected the program icon), and for some reason prevented me from reinstalling those programs to fix the icons. I used on of the common tricks to block the update. For the first few months it worked. Then I started getting warnings every day that security support for 1511 had ended and I needed to update to 1703 to continue to get security updates. Eventually, all th

  • Updates? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Bobrick ( 5220289 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @03:42PM (#57638998)
    My Win7 has never made contact with Windows Update and never will. Still going fine.
    • thats basically what i did, i got a clean copy of win-7_SP1 did a fresh clean install and never allow it to connect to the internet, i only use it for a few things that Linux dont do great, i have HDSDR for a SDR receiver i like to play with, GQRX is great software on Linux but it dont have a notch filter which would be a great feature if Csete could/would add a notch filter feature to GQRX, so for now when i need a notch filter i open a laptop with win-7 and HDSDR and use that, other than that microsoft wi

    • Same here. I never allow it to update, and only occasionally apply some patches manually.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by antdude ( 79039 )

      Have you checked for malwares on it since you used it online? :P

      • I install and run AV + anti-malware once a month or so, then uninstall afterwards so I don't have a resident program scanning data when I don't want it to.
  • My Chinese knock-off laptop is still running just fine.

  • An OS should allow software to run, not features (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Streetlight ( 1102081 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @04:36PM (#57639272) Journal
    Maybe I'm being antediluvian, and this may be a bit off topic, but it seems to me an OS should allow one to run applications manage memory and storage, etc., and not have applications built into the software which is so tied to the OS that a misbehaving app can brick a computer. If you try out some app and it seems either not to your liking or seems to disrupt the OS then generally would be easy to remove and find something else that does what you wont. Look at the browser space or search apps: you've got many choices and it's the same with other types of needs. The result is the developers of apps become responsible for making sure things work with the OS. It would become clear very early to folks who pay attention if an app hosed an OS or computer.

  • Idea (Score:3)

    by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @04:37PM (#57639280) Homepage

    A quality change would be service packs each year, and new versions of Windows each three years, which you could also upgrade to instead of wiping clean your disk but I guess it's too much for Microsoft. Also, having a good internal QA/QC team would be great instead of relying on "insiders" (what a stupid misnomer), sorry, external beta testers who Microsoft don't really listen to (the data wiping bug in Windows 10 1809 was reported months before it was made official but Microsoft didn't pay attention to it).

    Oh, wait, we had exactly that up to Windows 7.

    I still don't understand what their excuse is, as they successfully introduced new features in Windows NT/2000/XP/Vista service packs.

    • You still effectively have that. Service Packs have historically always added quite large features to OSes. And we have always had the (not recommended) possibility to just update major versions of windows in place.

      The only difference now is that there are no longer "new installs"

  • Windows Server 2019 is back as well!

  • Pay for the regular consumer version and than install that from the usual sites for personal sanity. You probably don't want to try Office, or OneDrive or Skype. You just want to play your Steam games without excessive junk and nagware. I wish that option was provided to consumers, even for an extra fee.

  • You mean Tuesday November 13: https://blogs.windows.com/wind... [windows.com]

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