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Some Amazon Employees Bought NYC Condos Before News of HQ2 Location Emerged, Says WSJ Report (thehill.com) 94

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Hill: At least two Amazon employees reportedly purchased condos in a New York City neighborhood before news emerged that the area had been picked to host the company's second headquarters. The employees decided to buy units in a new 11-story condo building in the Long Island City neighborhood of Queens just before the first reports of Amazon's HQ2 location were released this month, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday. While employees of companies are barred from buying or selling stocks based on information that has not yet been made public, lawyers told the Journal that they were unaware of any such ban affecting real estate transactions. There are no exact numbers on how many units have gone into contract in the Long Island City area since the announcement, but the Journal reports that one brokerage firm sold nearly 150 units just last week, 15 times its normal volume. Earlier this month, Amazon announced plans to split its second headquarters evenly between New York's Long Island City and Arlington County's Crystal City neighborhoods.
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Some Amazon Employees Bought NYC Condos Before News of HQ2 Location Emerged, Says WSJ Report

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Gets worse every day. The last election was best time to vote the bastards out. The second best time is now

  • Code of Conduct (Score:5, Interesting)

    by eric31415927 ( 861917 ) on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @07:34PM (#57682588)

    This sort of problem has arisen before and solved by requiring people knowing about big deals (i.e. accountants and lawyers) having to abide by codes of conduct within their professional associations. Even the appearance of a conflict of interest should be avoided to stay onside.
    I wonder if Google employees in general have such codes of conduct written into their employment contracts.

    • That's an interesting and off-topic question! The article is about Amazon, not about Google.

      Replying because the net moderation would be zero anyway.

      • Thanks for pointing out my mistake.
        (I did read the article before posting.)
        Now that two big companies have been mentioned, I wonder if any employees of either company must follow a code of conduct.

    • It's a big issue with politicians.......who are also allowed to do insider trading (for example, if they know a bill is going to tank the stock market, it's legal to short it).
    • I can't imagine any that folks at Amazon belong to. Maybe the really top guys and the lawyers, but this is probably the engineers who're getting dragged to NY against their will...
      • by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @10:22PM (#57683036) Homepage Journal

        No, it almost certainly isn't. They're building a headquarters. Buildings don't go up overnight. Nobody buys a new house based on hoping that they will get transferred in two or three years.

        If it is engineers, it is because they're leaving Amazon to work at some other company in New York, and the timing is a fluke. Amazon has over 613k employees. That's an area of NYC with a lot of new construction, which makes it an attractive location for people on tech salaries to live. There's a lot of tech in NYC. So I could easily see this happening entirely by chance. (Admittedly, only a small percentage of those employees are tech workers, but there's nothing stopping non-tech workers from moving there, either, notwithstanding the cost.)

        That said, it is more likely that there are Amazon (facilities) employees who are going to be overseeing work on the new headquarters (and then staying on permanently as the facilities reps in the new location). It makes perfect sense for them to start planning their moves as soon as the plans are solid, so that they won't have to spend months in a hotel.

        And further (I'm responding more to the GP post than to your comment here), even if we assume that it was somebody who overheard the new location in the hallway, it still would not be a conflict of interest to act on it. How could Amazon's interests possibly be harmed by some of their employees owning homes near their new location?

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          If they heard that NYC had a good chance of winning then speculatively buying property there makes sense. Even if NYC didn't win in the end it's hard to lose money on property in in-demand areas like that. Worst case you just rent it or sit on it while the value goes up.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      If they're going to live in it, what is the problem? Should you have to wait for artificial speculation to hit a market when you need somewhere to live just because you know you're about to have to move? That's ridiculous.

      If a person was a teacher an became aware that a new school was going to be built and eventually they would move to a new suburb, should they also be banned from buying land in the area until the school is finished and everyone has moved in? Now most teachers probably won't have access to

  • Looking at what we have so far for comments what a sad and petty pathetic society we now have.

  • no problems here (Score:5, Interesting)

    by renegade600 ( 204461 ) on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @07:46PM (#57682624)

    don't blame the employees for buying condos before the announcement. I have no problems with this as long as the purchase was for their own use and not to resell after the announcement.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I do not have a problem with it. Good on them.

      The SEC on the other hand. They will. Having recently started working at a large bank. The SEC and FTC have *very* strict sort of rules on this sort of thing. At least according to the 30+ hours of training I just went through and laws I was forced to read.

      • The SEC on the other hand. They will.

        Nope. They won't. Not their area of governance.

      • I have had contracts with banks and technology companies for projects, and the line is a little squishy. I could not act directly in a way that could impact (or be construed to impact) negotiations or entitlements on a property purchase or lease. Buying up 10 condos across the street could hit that line easily, but 10 people putting in offers in the days as negotiations are closing with a third party could be ok.

        When working for a bank, this extends to their clients buying property as well. Same theoretica

      • The SEC could not care less. This in no way defrauds investors which is what they do care about. So some people got a better deal on a condo before prices sky rocketed, or are even able to flip it for more money. Nobody loses money with that. Hell, anyone who knew ahead of time was free to go and buy a condo with the sole intention to flip it. That's not illegal. Nobody loses more money as the final price is when all is said and done is what the market demands. Realtors may not have made as much, but they

    • If they bought single family houses that were owner-occupided, I would be pissed. They would be screwing the little guy. But they bought new condos. So, my heart bleeds so very little for the real estate developers.

      Now that I think about it, it probably would have been smart (if you had the cash) to buy property in all the finalist cities. I doubt the value went down when Amazon declined to go to Austin.

  • If lots of existing Amazon employees are now relocating to New York NY (and Arlington VA) - how many new jobs are actually being created in these locations? Because job creation is ostensibly one of the major reasons these cities fell all over themselves to give Amazon billions of dollars.

    • by I75BJC ( 4590021 )
      Lots. Lots of new jobs for New York State and new jobs for the Commonwealth of Virginia. Every transferring employee with have to pay their new state's income tax -- New York has one. A transferred employee is a New taxpayer for New York. Plus each transferring employee will pay real estate taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes and all the taxes on anything the buy. They will have to pay taxes on anything they buy Or own in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
  • America is here to be looted by the 1 percent, at the expense of the 99 percent, it's all part of the Kaiser's plan.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Not the employees, but the other commentators here. This story is mostly meaningless without info on if they had also attempted to buy apartments in the other cities as well. Real estate investors have no issues putting a bunch of units under contact then canceling the purchases if what theyâ(TM)re betting on doesnâ(TM)t occur.

  • by ddtmm ( 549094 )
    First off, the only people that would be upset are people that wanted to buy into the nearby neighbourhood and are now looking at higher prices. What did they expect? Of course this is going to happen. Let's face it, the whole exercise in NY's bid was to have Amazon move in. And guess what, a ton of people are going to be moving in with them. Whether they move in a week before the bell or after, prices are gong up and things are gonna change. "Insider" knowledge is not the issue here, but jealousy, that may
  • by pz ( 113803 )

    We knew the short list, right? It was public.

    I can readily imagine many Amazon employees made speculative decisions and brought condos in different cities. Since resources are finite, each made their own decision as to how they would use their available resources for investment, even WITHOUT any insider knowledge.

    We are hearing about the lucky ones who chose correctly. What about the others?

    What about the vast trove of people who did the same, but are not Amazon employees?

  • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Thursday November 22, 2018 @03:52AM (#57683596)
    About 11% of Americans move each year [census.gov]. That's about 35.5 million people.

    About 264,000 people moved to NYC last year [streeteasy.com]. So about 0.74% of all movers relocated to NYC.

    Amazon has about 600,000 employees. I can't find a breakdown of U.S. vs overseas employees, but about 70% of their sales are in the U.S. [statista.com]. So figure 420,000 U.S. employees. If 11% of them move, that'd be 46,000 Amazon employees moving each year.. 0.74% of that is 340 Amazon employees moving to NYC each year.

    Of that amount, most would rent. But it seems highly likely that more than two would end up buying.
  • It is standard practice in large scale real estate development to assemble parcels of land into a larger development, with incremental purchases under various shell corporations that conceal the eventual owner. A seller is likely to want a higher price from National Megacorp headquarters project than from Rabbit Hole Limited Partnership XVII.

    Acquaintances in Munich noted that some people decades ago made a great deal of money buying parcels that "happened" to be situated near what eventually became S-Ba

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