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Boeing's First Autonomous Air Taxi Flight Ends In Fewer Than 60 Seconds (cnn.com) 108

Boeing has completed the first flight of its autonomous air taxi Tuesday at a small airport outside Washington, D.C. "The flight lasted less than a minute, according to Boeing, and it didn't actually go anywhere," reports CNN. "Instead, it hovered above the runway. Boeing declined to share how high above the ground it flew." From the report: But Boeing is hailing the achievement as a milestone for its NeXt division, which develops autonomous airplanes. The flying car prototype is 30 feet long and 28 feet wide. It's designed to fly up to 50 miles at a time. Boeing and its competitors such as Airbus are betting that small, self-flying airplanes -- technically dubbed electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) -- will revolutionize transportation, especially in urban areas. Boeing believes the vehicles, more commonly referred to as air taxis or flying cars, will be a solution to traffic congestion.
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Boeing's First Autonomous Air Taxi Flight Ends In Fewer Than 60 Seconds

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  • Finally (Score:4, Funny)

    by DMJC ( 682799 ) on Thursday January 24, 2019 @06:05AM (#58013524)
    Living in The Future!
  • WTF? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by eminencja ( 1368047 ) on Thursday January 24, 2019 @06:16AM (#58013554)
    I don't why Boeing is doing this but I don't believe that "Boeing believes the vehicles, more commonly referred to as air taxis or flying cars, will be a solution to traffic congestion." Imagine that half of the cars in LA lift off... Reminds me of a comedy where a party secretary takes a taxi ride in Moscow(?) and wonders why so many people crowd at bus stops. "They could all be riding taxis comfortably" says he.
    • Re:WTF? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Zorpheus ( 857617 ) on Thursday January 24, 2019 @07:24AM (#58013692)
      It is a solution to traffic congestion for the people who can afford to fly, not for the peasants stuck in traffic
      • Re:WTF? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by nukenerd ( 172703 ) on Thursday January 24, 2019 @08:52AM (#58013892)

        It is a solution to traffic congestion for the people who can afford to fly

        Exactly, and it is a solution for them only if there are only very few of them. There is plenty of space in the air, but there will never be plenty of landing places in cities (or anywhere else that the "congestion" is headed for) and those will be the bottlenecks. These things will be queueing up for ages waiting for their turn on the landing pad.

        • by skam240 ( 789197 )

          "There is plenty of space in the air, but there will never be plenty of landing places in cities (or anywhere else that the "congestion" is headed for) and those will be the bottlenecks."

          You didn't read the post closely enough. They're designing them to be VTOL vehicles, Vertical Take Off and Land. Any parking spot will do if the autopilot they are creating for these things is reliable enough

          • by GoTeam ( 5042081 )
            Well, not every parking spot. The "flying taxis" are 30ft x 30ft.
            • by Hodr ( 219920 )

              So a section on the top of every parking garage and most large buildings to provide last-mile transport to work.

              My company has shuttles that bring people in from a couple of different park and rides outside of the city. Probably because they don't want to pay to expand the parking facility and also because people sitting on their way to work instead of driving might start working before they sit at their desks and clock in.

              If these were cheap enough I could see compenies like mine providing a shuttle air-t

              • So a section on the top of every parking garage and most large buildings to provide last-mile transport to work.

                Indeed. Helipads are already common on many buildings, and many more could be built. There will be no shortage of landing spots.

                I don't think these will be only for "the rich". During rush hour, it can take me 90 minutes to go from San Jose to Palo Alto, and 2 hours to SFO. If I could take an air taxi for $100, I would.

                These aircraft are electric and non-polluting, and getting even a few percent of traffic off the roads can reduce congestion and benefit everyone.

                • I don't think these will be only for "the rich". During rush hour, it can take me 90 minutes to go from San Jose to Palo Alto, and 2 hours to SFO. If I could take an air taxi for $100, I would.

                  If you can afford to pay $500 a week ($24,000 a year) just to speed up your commute- many people on here would consider you rich.

                  • If you can afford to pay $500 a week ($24,000 a year) just to speed up your commute- many people on here would consider you rich.

                    My regular commute is from my bedroom to my office downstairs. About 50 feet.

                    But I do have to travel to Palo Alto a few times a month, and to SF and SFO occasionally. $100 to save two hours would be worth it, especially since gas and parking for a conventional car is going to cost me anyway.

                    • Do you ever go to the Palo Alto Creamery or YAYOI?

                      Yes, I have been to both. My wife used to work in Palo Alto, near Stanford, so I have eaten lunch in most restaurants along University Ave.

                • Modern Helipads are rarely on the building top. Winds are typically too high.

          • by es330td ( 964170 )
            Have you ever been near a helicopter? I used to have a job that required I be transported by helicopter. A pretty substantial area around the take off/landing spot is required for one. I think you grossly underestimate the space needed for this.
            • Have you ever been near a helicopter?

              Yup. Ridden in them hundreds of times. Marine infantry.

              The downdraft is considerable, but the many small rotors on these aircraft produce less than a single big rotor on a conventional helicopter. They are also much lighter, and need less lift.

              But a conventional parking lot shared with cars is not going to work. They will need dedicated pads.

              • Have you ever been near a helicopter?

                Yup. Ridden in them hundreds of times. Marine infantry.

                The downdraft is considerable, but the many small rotors on these aircraft produce less than a single big rotor on a conventional helicopter. They are also much lighter, and need less lift.

                But a conventional parking lot shared with cars is not going to work. They will need dedicated pads.

                Having many smaller rotors won't matter - the force and work involved are all pegged to the mass of the craft. Have you seen the size and shape of these things? They'll require wider clearances than a standard chopper.

                • Having many smaller rotors won't matter

                  Multiple small counter-rotating vortices will dissipate more easily than one big vortex.

                  The symmetrical shape will allow the landing "pads" to be bowl shaped, directing the draft upward and outward, while the enclosed ground effect reduces the needed lift. The aerodynamics works out very well.

                  They'll require wider clearances than a standard chopper.

                  Not at all. A Huey has a rotor diameter of 48 feet, and an overall length of 57 feet. This new aircraft is way smaller.

          • "There is plenty of space in the air, but there will never be plenty of landing places in cities (or anywhere else that the "congestion" is headed for) and those will be the bottlenecks."

            You didn't read the post closely enough. They're designing them to be VTOL vehicles, Vertical Take Off and Land. Any parking spot will do ...h

            You have obviously never seen London, which is what I am thinking of, and which has few open spaces available. FTFA : "30 feet long and 28 feet wide" - no normal "parking spot" is going to take that, nor are most existing flat roofs on office buildings (which are often far from flat) going to take the weight without re-inforcement. There are some places, but by the time you have unloaded what sounds like at least a couple of dozen passengers there is going to be a bottleneck queue for the helipad unless t

            • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

              It can hover and drop off the passengers in a drop pod. There's no need for it to fully stop there.

            • by skam240 ( 789197 )

              I have seen London and poor parking situation aside I feel like if these VTROL vehicles do somehow become a staple means of transportation finding a way to briefly land them won't be a major obstacle. This of all things is not the big thing holding back air taxis'.

      • Removing a rich person's car from traffic also improves traffic congestion for the people left behind. It's like opening a new checkout lane at the supermarket - the first people who get into the new lane get a substantial speed boost, but the long-term benefit is an equal speedup across all lanes. The areas with the worst traffic tend to be urban areas, making it unviable to solve by expanding the size of the road. So any solution to improving traffic there involves removing cars from the road. Whethe
      • We could have the 1% flying around cities, and the 99% traveling in tunnels, like Verne's Eloi and Morlocks.
    • They obviously feel some billionaire suckers in the ME will pay them enough to make the development worth it.

      No western city is going to allow this.

      • No western city is going to allow this.

        They'll sell a shedload of them in Dubai, etc., where things like this are the equivalent of a US citizen owning the latest iPhone.

      • No western city is going to allow this.

        Of course cities are not going to simply allow it . . . they are going to lucratively license it.

        Want to putter about in your flying car . . . ? Fine, just pay $1 million for your flying permit. The high price will keep the riff raff out of the skies. $1 million is chump change for seriously rich folks.

        Ordinary folks aren't going to be car flying from JFK to Manhattan . . . any more than they take a helicopter shuttle from JFK to Manhattan, which is already available today.

        Too expensive. Playground f

      • No western city is going to allow this.

        They already allow helicopter shuttles. How is this different?

    • I don't why Boeing is doing this but I don't believe that "Boeing believes the vehicles, more commonly referred to as air taxis or flying cars, will be a solution to traffic congestion."

      Especially since air taxis and flying cars are two different things. This is clearly an airplane, and what's more, it's not even roadable. There's absolutely nothing "car" about it. What a shit show.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 24, 2019 @06:41AM (#58013614)

    ...Long File Paths in WIndows File Explorer.

    Which will we have first ?!

  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Thursday January 24, 2019 @06:48AM (#58013634)

    28 feet wide cars.

    • by radja ( 58949 )

      at least that width makes sure they will not be allowed on roads, so no parking your flying vehicle close to the shop.

  • Its a revolution in air travel!!!
  • by Anonymous Coward

    - not the average Joe
    - not the energy crisis
    - not climate change
    - yes: the top .1 percent in their mission to destroy everyone else

    • Shouldn't certain forms of flying be more efficient than car travel? If you optimize lift and speed, and go over a reasonable distance, it could work. The problem usually is that pilots are specialists in short supply. Autonomous flying could remove that problem. Of course, I expect Norway to solve this first, though.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        No, lifting a ton or more hundreds of feet into the air and keeping it there for an hour or so is definitely not more efficient than driving.

        • Driving involves rolling resistance losses and also longer distances due to road layout. The Airbus e-Fan had apparently electricity consumption of 18 kWh/100 km, roughly similar to contemporary electric vehicles - except at a cruise speed of 160 km/h, which is way faster than what an 18 kWh/100 km electric vehicle could achieve. Apparently a Model S at 160 km/h reaches over 40 kWh/100 km of power consumption.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        Flying across country in a large aircraft is more efficient than all those people driving their cars across country. Problem is, all those people taking a bus across country is more efficient still. Have them take a train, and it's yet more efficient. Turns out gravity is a bitch.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    So much better to have the skies cluttered with self flying aircraft, drones, and such then on our highways. What could possibly go wrong??

  • Literally, topic. "Ends in fewer than 60 seconds" implies some kind of a failure with test flight. Most of the first test flight for rotary wing aircraft is literally take off within ground effect, see that it hovers successfully and land.

    The point being that if there's unforeseen point of failure, uncontrolled crash would not be catastrophic from that height.

    • by dryriver ( 1010635 ) on Thursday January 24, 2019 @07:58AM (#58013754)
      I know some people who tried to build their own helicopter. The first test flight was about 1 minute of hovering in place about 3 feet off the ground. Why? Because a) nobody wants to destroy/crash a prototype that took years to put together by taking it up to 300 feet the first tame it takes off, b) there is a risk of killing or injuring the test pilot without doing a first careful "hover at minimal altitude" test and c) even that 60 seconds of hovering gives you some sense of how the aircraft and mechanical components of it behave when it is no longer sitting on hard ground. Once the data gathered is analyzed, you might do a test flight where you hover 10 to 20 feet above ground. This is not a car where, at worst, you slam on the brakes and the thing stops. Aircraft get severely damaged when they fall from high altitudes. So just about everyone starts with a brief, careful hover test.
      • Yeah, I don't know who Boeing had in charge of PR for this story, but they need to find someone new. With these sorts of 'news' stories (advertisements), no reporter goes out and writes a story. What happens is that Boeing writes the story and issues a press release. The various media outlets will then take the press release, get some automated script or the intern to mangle a few names and all the units of measure, and then stick it on their website for a couple of hours. Someone must have messed up the or

    • How's any of that going to make any sort of clickbait?

      If it had had some flame throwers and maybe some lasers, preferably some blockchain and maybe a raspberry pi or two in a 'supercomputer' cluster, then it could have made for some good headlines. As it is, "early test works out okay" is pretty boring.

  • It's a clumsy first step, but a step in the right direction nonetheless. The fact that we're still moving about on the freaking wheel some several thousands of years after its "invention" makes me shake my head a little.

    • The fact that we're still moving about on the freaking wheel some several thousands of years after its "invention" makes me shake my head a little.

      That's just one of the 6 types of simple machines - and every more complex machine is built from simple ones. That semi-drone that Boeing is building has a lot of wheels in it.

      • by twdorris ( 29395 )

        That semi-drone that Boeing is building has a lot of wheels in it.

        Not following. I didn't suggest annoyance at the presence of round things loosely called "wheels". I was referring to "moving about on" wheels as the primary means of propulsion. We can't make big things without small things or big advances without small advances. But to still be rolling around on rubber versions of the original stone things from a few thousand years ago does suggest some stagnation in our mindset.

        • That semi-drone that Boeing is building has a lot of wheels in it.

          Not following. I didn't suggest annoyance at the presence of round things loosely called "wheels". I was referring to "moving about on" wheels as the primary means of propulsion. We can't make big things without small things or big advances without small advances. But to still be rolling around on rubber versions of the original stone things from a few thousand years ago does suggest some stagnation in our mindset.

          So what machine would you suggest? Mere time of use doesn't equate obsolescence - at least for me. Wheeled vehicles can be remarkably efficient. They are also pretty forgiving of failure, whch my personal experience with drones shows they are remarkably unforgiving. A wheeled vehicle can roll to a stop if say the engine quits. That drone? Engine faileure turns it into a rock.

          Even this semi-drone looks like a failure wouldn't be instantly fatal, but last time I was in the heart of a city, landing spots we

  • by TheRealQuestor ( 1750940 ) on Thursday January 24, 2019 @09:10AM (#58013938)
    THIS is how a flying car should look like dammit
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/... [staticflickr.com]
    and should sound like this
    http://paulweb.org/Pweb%20back... [paulweb.org]
    anything else is just an airplane :(
  • Flying cars, as generally understood, should meet the following requirements:

    1. No wings, or externally-visible propellers.

    2. Able to hover, effortlessly, almost quietly, indefinitely.

    3. Complete maneuverability at very low speeds.

    4. Affordable - the LAPD should be able to have a fleet, and even down-on-his-luck detective like Rick Deckard, or a greasy Korben Dallas could afford one.

    5. Relatively inexpensive to run.

    6. Generally quiet.

    With current technologies, we probably can't meet any of those requirement

    • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

      Buy a horse.

    • Flying cars, as generally understood, should meet the following requirements:

      Why?

      Eventually yes, but I'd settle for:

      1) Practical to drive on the road.
      2) Able to fly.

      That's all it really needs to be in the broadest sence. If it's capable of driving on the road but not practical that would be a roadable aircraft.

      Boeing's offering however meets none of the above definitions.

  • when an autonomous air taxi meets a delivery drone, or a large burd?

  • I wouldn't set foot in a 'driverless car' I have no direct control over, why the ever-loving fuck would I trust some half-assed excuse for AI to fly me somewhere? I can't think of a more terrifying experience. Why would ANYONE think this is a good idea? Human pilot ONLY, please. Or better yet just forget the whole thing.
  • Would it be feasible instead to have a 2 stage vehicle? The regular electric car and the osprey design for the flying housing that it drives into. The housing has enough capacity to fly itself around without the car, but with one it needs to draw from the cars battery.

    If only to avoid a pile up of housings on one side of town and none left on the other, they can fly back on their own.

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