NVIDIA Turing-Based GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Launched At $279 (hothardware.com) 94
MojoKid writes: NVIDIA has launched yet another graphics card today based on the company's new Turing GPU. This latest GPU, however, doesn't support NVIDIA's RTX ray-tracing technology or its DLSS (Deep Learning Super Sampling) image quality tech. The new GeForce GTX 1660 Ti does, however, bring with it all of the other GPU architecture improvements NVIDIA Turing offers. The new TU116 GPU on board the GeForce GTX 1660 Ti supports concurrent integer and floating point instructions (rather than serializing integer and FP instructions), and it also has a redesigned cache structure with double the amount of L2 cache versus their predecessors, while its L1 cache has been outfitted with a wider memory bus that ultimately doubles the bandwidth. NVIDIA's TU116 has 1,536 active CUDA cores, which is a decent uptick from the GTX 1060, but less than the current gen RTX 2060. Cards will also come equipped with 6GB of GDDR6 memory at 12 Gbps for 288GB/s of bandwidth. Performance-wise, the new GeForce GTX 1660 Ti is typically slightly faster than a previous gen GeFore GTX 1070, and much faster than a GTX 1060. Cards should be available at retail in the next few days, starting at $279.
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Re:Aaaaannd they gimped it with 6gb of ram (Score:5, Insightful)
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4-5 years? I think, anybody who gets this expecting it to be a high end card at a bargain prices is going to be having constant second thoughts about ram that will be less than even low end cards within a year.
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Don't be dense, the web is overflowing with complaints about stuttering and stalls due to not enough vram, for example this one [steamcommunity.com] or feast your eyes on this. [youtube.com] If you want to play those games with your gimped vram then you need to turn down settings including shadows and supersampling. It only gets worse from here. The new standard for mainstream GPUs is 8GB, too bad Nvidia didn't get the message. They will pretty soon.
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The card'll be useless for high end gaming in about 4-5 years
A $280 card that'll be useless for high end gaming in 4-5 years? The horror. Seriously though, this is the first Turing card that's an okay upgrade, according to Anandtech [anandtech.com] this card is +36% perf, +12% price for a +21% price/perf improvement over the last gen. The RTX cards are a wash, more performance for more money. I really hope AMD can make a Zen-like comeback on the GPU side, right now their Radeon cards are aging as well as Bulldozer did...
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right now their Radeon cards are aging as well as Bulldozer did
Says you. Radeon 580 at $190 is the #1 bestseller on Amazon for several weeks.
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Says you. Radeon 580 at $190 is the #1 bestseller on Amazon for several weeks.
I'm sure when NVIDIA releases a childs toy to compete with the 580 people will buy that too. Or do you think that "gamers" are flocking in numbers to "upgrade" to cards that are slower than the previously discontinued generation from the competitors? The Radeon 500 series were throwaways for cheap systems and basically absent from serious gamers for the past generation.
The Vega was a step in the right direction but still largely ignored by gamers. I'm hoping the Radeon VII changes all that, and I think it m
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580 is a respectable midrange card that was one of the most popular for crypto mining because of its excellent hash rate to power draw, and is currently fine for 1080p gaming, hence its popularity. Looks like it's going to be selling well for quite some time to come. It's hard to argue with the price.
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No serious gamer ran 1080p@60hz in 2018 let alone 2019.
All of the competitive shooters require 1440p@144hz just to get you into a level playing field there all designed to run better at faster speeds.
The reason you die without seeing the opponent is because your rig is running 2001 level components.
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As of today 1080 is [steampowered.com] the most popular gamer resolution by far, 60%.
1024 x 768 0.64%
1280 x 1024 2.16%
1280 x 720 0.42%
1280 x 800 0.82%
1360 x 768 1.95%
1366 x 768 14.02%
1440 x 900 3.60%
1536 x 864 0.25%
1600 x 900 3.60%
1680 x 1050 2.54%
1920 x 1200 0.90%
1920 x 1080 60.48%
2560 x 1080 0.96%
2560 x 1440 3.97%
3440 x 1440 0.48%
3840 x 2160 1.48%
Other 1.73%
The next most popular is 768, 14%. So roughly 95% of PC gamers are "not serious" and will be well served by RX 580 as of today, hence #1 bestseller. Future proof? No way
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As of today 1080 is [steampowered.com] the most popular gamer resolution by far, 60%.
He didn't say 1080. He said "1080p@60hz" a very big distinction when you're talking about what a Radeon 580 is capable of in a modern game.
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Huh, what are you blathering about? For gaming, 1080 means 1080p, because 1080i is only for videos. Shouldn't need to tell you that. And 60 Hz is just a refresh rate, in fact the standard refresh rate for low end monitors. Your "big distinction" is just you being confused.
If you want to know how RX 580 does at 1080 (1080p if you insist on being an anal retard) then this article [eurogamer.net] explains it as well as any. TL;DR "clearly the RX 580 is the better card in more of the games that we've tested, with the AMD card
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Huh, what are you blathering about? For gaming, 1080 means 1080p,
Thanks for telling us you're not a gamer. Any gamer would know the distinction between resolution, and resolution at a locked frame rate. The OP said no serious gamer games at 1080p@60Hz. You countered saying 1080p was popular. Yet it is. You included a metric fuckton of non-serious gamers in your worthless statistics.
Now come back and play with us when you have a 1080p@144Hz display. You know ... like those tiny subset of people in your statistics who are actually serious gamers.
TL;DR "clearly the RX 580 is the better card in more of the games that we've tested
According to their own res
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I felt more stupid after reading your post, time to wipe the spittle.
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Frankly, it's hard to believe that Nvidia has the gall to sell a midrange card with 3GB, but they do.
...The only 3GB NVIDIA card currently manufactured is the entry level 1050.
Did you ever wonder why you don't have friends? [amazon.com] Everybody who makes the mistake of buying this 1060 is going to end up hating Nvidia and all their mealy mouthed camp followers like you.
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I felt more stupid after reading your post
I know man. We live in a complicated world, but you'll get there eventually.
Did you ever wonder why you don't have friends?
Begging the question, you failed already.
Everybody who makes the mistake of buying this 1060 is going to end up hating Nvidia
... 80% positive 5 star reviews ... Look man I feel guilty now, I know you said you feel stupid after reading my post but you didn't tell me that had a stroke while reading it.
Get professional help man. After sending me one link after another that proves my point, you desperately need it.
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3GB, pathetic. Professional review writers.
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3GB, pathetic.
Indeed, which is why NVIDIA hasn't made any in the 1060 series for over a year. Now do you want to link any other obsolete 3 year old hardware when making your point? I mean AMD is shit. Those Zen processors never lived up to their hype. It's a shame they don't have a Zen+ architecture right?
Idiot. But keep talking man. Your line of reasoning is fascinating.
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So you agree that 3GB is pathetic. Now it's only a small step even for a stunted intellect such as yours to notice that 6GB is also pathetic for a midrange card.
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I always did for a mid range card in 2019. But we weren't talking about 3GB. You can't even seem to follow the discussion in the title of your own post. You also can't seem to actually focus on current generation cards since every mid-range 3GB card you linked to is obsolete and not part of NVIDIA's current lineup.
Now it's only a small step even for a stunted intellect such as yours to notice that 6GB is also pathetic for a midrange card.
Retarded non-sequiteur. Allow me to apply tough love logic for a moment: 3GB is pathetic so you agree that {insert arbitrary number here} is also pathetic. Why do you love your 8GB card? It's obso
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The 8GB Radeon you disparage is actually the top selling card on Amazon. Now wipe that spittle off your chin.
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The 8GB Radeon you disparage is actually the top selling card on Amazon. Now wipe that spittle off your chin.
It's a great low range graphics card which performs worse than the card NVIDIA just superseded. Not everyone can afford to be a mid-range wannabe gamer.
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Apparently, RX 580 is what customers actually want because it does high settings at 1440 just fine, has 8GB for future proofing and costs less than $200. Must drive Nvidia nuts as their warehouse full of obsolete cards gets older and older. Getting close to the point where cheapest solution is landfill. Meanwhile, AMD still making new 580's for huge margin.
NVidia's response? RTX 2060 to run puddle tracing at 15 FPS. GTX 1660 to give loyal customers a reason not to buy 2080. Sucks to be you.
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Apparently, RX 580 is what customers actually
Stop wasting your own time repeating an argument that you already made and which was already shutdown earlier in this same thread.
has 8GB for future proofing
Stop wasting your time repeating a completely incorrect statement which you already made and which was already shutdown earlier in this same thread.
Must drive Nvidia nuts as their warehouse full of obsolete cards gets older and older. Getting close to the point where cheapest solution is landfill.
Huh? NVIDIA doesn't have a warehouse full of cards. They had a warehouse full of chips which affected Q4 results and which was solved by simply not manufacturing anymore. You realise listing a problem from September last year that has
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Nvidia's warehouse full of obsolete cards problem is still not solved according to their own quarterly report. Doesn't matter whether is physically Nvidia's warehouse, or OEM warehouses, or not warehouse at all, just a self store, it is still Nvidia's problem.
Thanks for your generous crusade to educate the world, and the dainty rhetoric you use to communicate your profound thoughts. What I actually think, you're just a garden variety obsessive-compulsive numbskull with an exaggerated estimation of their own
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Nvidia's warehouse full of obsolete cards problem is still not solved according to their own quarterly report.
There last report was two and a half months ago and showed a massive decline. But sure, it's not like you've said anything else that's correct. So why not keep with it.
Doesn't matter whether is physically Nvidia's warehouse, or OEM warehouses, or not warehouse at all, just a self store, it is still Nvidia's problem.
Yeah because ASUS warehousing an ASUS card is somehow NVIDIA's (who have successfully made a sale to the OEM at that point) problem. uh-huh. Sure. Let's go with that. It's not like you've said anything else that's correct. SO why not keep with it.
Thanks for your generous crusade to educate the world
I am truly sorry I have failed you.
What I actually think, you're just a garden variety obsessive-compulsive numbskull with an exaggerated estimation of their own mental abilities.
But since you've been wrong about everything else, let me help
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RX 580, number one bestselling GPU on Amazon for many weeks, can be yours for $184.
(With 8GB VRAM compared to lame 6GB for Nvidia's $280 card.)
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Repeating irrelevant shit doesn't make it relevant. And it's not the best selling GPU. That title belongs to Intel who ship one with every processor. Maybe you should get that instead. It's even cheaper! Tough Love logic woot woot.
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Repeating irrelevant shit doesn't make it relevant.
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You forgot the quotes tags and a reply. I guess you've finally given up since you're just a broken record now.
To be honest, I'm impressed you lasted. Most people give up after repeating the same debunked garbage twice. You managed to do it three times.
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you're just a broken record now. :)
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It has been fascinating watching someone revert to a child state.
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It has been super boring watching you in a child state.
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I'm sure it has, if that's what you were expecting to see I can only imagine your disappointment when greeted with reasoned arguments about why you were wrong over and over again.
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Do you regard yourself as witty, and do you really giggle when you type?
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No I don't have a sense of humour I'm aware of. If you have taken anything I've said about NVIDIA, your opinion of the graphics industry, or you personally as a joke then I apologise for not making it clear that I was having a 100% serious conversation.
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To be clear, I'm laughing at you at the moment, you're the joke.
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That is unfortunate. You laughing through your ignorance just means you've missed the opportunity to learn something.
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Comic.
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Nope, depressing.
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You can throw all of the shit metrics you want at the screen as your obviously not a serious gamer and will never actually get the point.
Why yes 95% of gamer's are not serious they play for fun every once in a while so 1080p@60hz is fine in a $500 rig. There's no point on going above a 1660ti/1070 or the AMD equivalent it's just a waste of money if your not going to drop $500 to $1k into a monitor.
A competitive player looking to hit at least the top 3% to 2% of the leader boards consistently will drop rough
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Obviously, 95% of Steam players are not fixated on shooter leaderboards, you need to keep things in perspective. Granted, competitive players spend a lot more on their gear, so 5% of players spend maybe 15% of dollars, and margin on those products is higher. That's enough to justify R&D specifically for that segment, but never forget that the other 95% you like to disparage is where the real money is.
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1.) I didn't disparage anyone that's your view not mine. It's just a fact of any sport/hobby 95% of participants are not serious competitors they do it for fun. I never said there was a problem with that.
2.) Your contradicting yourself if that 5% of players can justify R&D spending then how is it that the 95% is the lion's share?
On average most of that 95% spends $500 on there rig ever 5-6 years with maybe one upgrade in the cycle and they typically buy a pre-built computer and use it for everything n
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2.) Your contradicting yourself if that 5% of players can justify R&D spending then how is it that the 95% is the lion's share?
You're a bit of a prat, you know. I simply meant to avoid directly saying that, as a fringe market and you should be grateful that the big boys are willing to throw a few crumbs your way, even though they don't make a large portion of their earnings that way. The money is in the people you like to disparage.
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Says you. Radeon 580 at $190 is the #1 bestseller on Amazon for several weeks.
Check out the Steam Hardware Survey [steampowered.com], top 10 cards:
1. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060: 14.31% (-0.49%)
2. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti: 8.99% (+0.04%)
3. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050: 4.99% (+0.03%)
4. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070: 4.19% (+0.17%)
5. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960: 3.37% (-0.07%)
6. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970: 2.93% (-0.03%)
7. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti: 2.85% (0.00%)
8. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080: 2.74% (-0.01%)
9. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M: 1.63% (-0.01%)
10. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti: 1.59% (-0.03%)
(...)
22. AMD Radeon RX 580: 0.79% (
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You should get clear on the difference between installed base and market share.
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From Steam's hardware survey last month:
Biggest winner: Radeon R7, +.19%
Biggest loser: GTX 1060, -.52%
Both appearing for the first time that month, Vega beat RTX 2080 TI, .16% to .15%.
If Nvidia hasn't released a card to compete with the 580 for so long, then maybe it is because they can't. Sure they can release cheap cards, but it would either be junk vs 580 or it would cannibalize their higher priced junk.
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They are slowly getting back into it. But the reality is Radeons have been rarely seen outside of budget builds for gamers. I have high hopes for their current architecture.
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It is a mid-range card.
Mid-range cards are similar to their high-end counterparts but with the expensive parts stripped off. RAM is expensive, and we don't really need more than 6GB now, so it makes perfect sense.
If you want to keep your graphics card for more than 5 years of high-end gaming, you need the high-end graphics cards, and it is not specific to Nvidia.
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Mid-range cards are similar to their high-end counterparts but with the expensive parts stripped off. RAM is expensive, and we don't really need more than 6GB now, so it makes perfect sense.
But it does mean that "future proof" is a term that does not apply to this card. Very shortly, 8 GB will be a minimum even for low end cards. The current #1 bestseller on Amazon is a Radeon 580 with 8GB, $190.
The more I think about it, the more I see 6GB as a killer misfeature for a midrange card. Soon there will a bunch of premium games with texture assets targeted at 8GB cache. Not fitting in cache can actually be more of a problem for performance that cut down processing units or lower clocks.
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Tell yourself that again a year from now when every $200 card has 8GB.
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mine has 1gb and im ok
Ha ha, you do have a sense of humor.
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Very shortly, 8 GB will be a minimum even for low end cards.
Bullshit. Complete bullshit.
2GB-4GB will be the minimum for a very long time, for more than a few very good reasons. It will not magically quadruple on your authority and wishful thinking.
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Get a clue. Is 2GB enough? [quora.com] Answer: no. Why does everybody know that except you?
AMD redefined the new high end bar as 16GB. The dirt cheap will be 4GB and 2GB only good enough for your grandma's email or adding video to a Ryzen box not used for graphics. As of today 8GB cards already outnumber 4GB two to one on Amazon's bestseller list.
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And before you quibble about system ram vs vram, here's the consensus on Steam. [steamcommunity.com] "For newer titles no unless you're content with Medium to Low settings. You will need 4GB+ of VRAM if you wish to game at 1080p at an acceptable framerate. 1440p and higher you will need 8GB+ of VRAM."
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You keep going on about hiogh end demands while trying to refute claims about low end demands... get it yet, fucking retard?
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You have entirely the wrong impression about whether anybody cares about you at all.
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But it does mean that "future proof" is a term that does not apply to this card.
Future proof in a 4-5 year time frame has never applied to any graphics card, period!
You got 2 fantastic 1080Ti in SLI? Congratulations, even now 3 years after release there are some games you can't maximise settings on since they don't support RTX.
You got 980TIs? Well sucks to be you because 3 years later you don't have support for HDR games.
Did you have kepler cards? Well good luck playing even games of the day at 4K.
Very shortly, 8 GB will be a minimum even for low end cards.
It will be what for what? Let's look at that term "minimum" and "low end" shall we with a
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The card'll be useless for high end gaming
Define high-end gaming? Having every setting on max with 4K freesync display? Can I get "No shit Sherlock" for $5 please. It's NVIDIA's entry level gaming card. Just because you won't be able to play with the big boys and their "Ultra uber duber" setting on texture resolution in 4-5 years doesn't make this even remotely "gimped", and given the game developments in the past 5 years you sure as hell won't be missing much with the extra 2GB in the next 5 years either.
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Next gen wait then I suppose. (Score:2, Informative)
I currently have a 1070, and this mess of cards is very weird.
The 2080's are to expensive for me, the 2060 and 2070's don't offer that much more for the price, and these mid range cards are about the same.
I had been hoping that nvidia, putting out all sorts of weird cards at so many levels might put out a 2060ti or 2070ti.
Otherwise its see y'all in 2-3- years.
At least the 1660ti seems to be good performance for the money.
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Well, there's a couple of advantages to the 1660ti over the 1070 (which I also have). One is better framerates at resolutions higher than 1080p (and I'm at 1440), and then there's lower power consumption. Part of me wants to upgrade for those two facts alone. Selling my 1070 and getting one of these would make the 1660ti only come out to about $80, so it's worth considering.
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I like to see regular-joe noise level reviews for a whole selection of cards based on the chipset before I even consider any of them.
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The 2080's are to expensive for me, the 2060 and 2070's don't offer that much more for the price
They do offer more, they just offer something useless. You're paying for ray-tracing hardware and anti-aliasing which is largely unused by games so far. It's their "killer feature" without actually a contract to kill.
Mind you NVIDIA haven't had a good record of making sensible release choices. E.g. the 1070 Ti which didn't make sense (for them) as it effectively destroyed the market for the 1080 given the price and performance. Then there's the 1060, with 3GB, with 6GB, some with GDDR5 some with GDDR5X with
Yes, but is it good for mining crypto currency? (Score:2)
Bitcoin bugs want to know.
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Such is business when your customer base are whiny little gamer bitches.
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To be fair, nVidia has become a sort of advanced douchebag boyfriend to its core market.
"Hey babe, you know how I treated you bad last year since I was busy with that side piece? Well the bitch went crazy and dumped me, so I'm going to need you to put out for me a lot more since I'm used to two girls now and I got standards to keep up. And on weeknights wear this blond wig and let me call you Crypto."
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The 20xx series aren't bad cards, but the prices are ridiculous.
780ti launch price: $699
980ti launch price: $649
1080ti launch price: $699
2080ti launch price: $1199
nVidia screwed gamers twice, first by not raising production when demand spiked, then by maintaining their supracompetitive pricing even after the shock ended.
Even when profiteering is legal it generates a lot of ill will with customers; in a few months, if AMD's Navi isn't complete garbage, expect a lot of formerly loyal nVidia users to switch ca
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No OpenSource drivers no buy (Score:2)