Microsoft Paint To Remain Part of Windows 10 After All (theverge.com) 114
Microsoft had been planning to remove its popular Paint app from Windows 10, but the company has now reversed course. From a report: The software maker had been warning Windows 10 users for months that Paint would be removed, and those warnings vanished in the latest May 2019 Update (1903). "Yes, MSPaint will be included in 1903," says Brandon LeBlanc, a senior program manager for Windows at Microsoft. "It'll remain included in Windows 10 for now." LeBlanc didn't reveal why Microsoft had removed its warnings, but it's clear Paint will no longer be removed from Windows 10 in the immediate future. Microsoft previously marked Paint as "deprecated," meaning it wasn't in active development and could be removed in future releases of Windows.
Not Removed, Just Rebranded (Score:5, Funny)
It will now be called Microsoft Paint Edge and will be based on the GIMP code.
It won't work.
But it will watermark all your images stored on OneDrive.
With someone else's watermark.
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Re:Not Removed, Just Rebranded (Score:5, Insightful)
It would be nice to have a very good basic editor that comes with Win10.
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I wonder if that would be such a problem today as maybe in the past?
Apple pretty much gives away a TON of useful software with purchase and no one blinks an eye these days.
Re:Not Removed, Just Rebranded (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Not Removed, Just Rebranded (Score:2)
I've been thinking, if OneNote was as capable and as intuitive in the image editing and basic non-cloud file sharing front, more people would use OneNote over MSPaint. Since OneNote is now part of Windows 10. Now just need a fast way to open an empty OneNote Notebook.
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There's a reason why I always browse at -1 even if the comments are full of spam. To see how hard someone has to try to hurt someone thinking that it would validate their life over a comment section. Also so I can point at that, and say: "I would never let myself get this horrible over a harmless message."
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Actually, the ActiveX control of Windows Media Player was removed a long time ago by artists adding "refusal tracks" to MP3s, saying they weren't willing to sing for you.
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There is also a rumor about a new version of Windows Media Player based on VLC. ;)
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Microsoft Windows rebranding as Minesweeper (Score:2)
The company announced today that it will be integrating a windows operating system emulator into cross platform Minesweeper. Now all Windows apps can be launched and the file system accessed from inside minesweeper. Windows itself as a stand alone operating system has reached end of life. Customers are advised to upgrade to Minesweeper, and later this year Minesweeper 360 online, the first on-line only operating system. A VR headset version is anticipated in 2020
MS Paint (Score:2)
MS paint will be an add-on to the VR version requiring a Skull Trepinator for full 8-bit color direct to cerebellum interface.
Lack of good options. (Score:5, Insightful)
MS Paint is not meant for artwork, or drawing, But just for cropping, or sketching a simple image on a picture. It opens fast, simple controls, and you are done, faster then an expert would be to find the free form brush tool in Photoshop.
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Yep, the killer app for me in MSPaint is re-sizing because I don't always want to share full-sized images. That and the occasional crop, and 95% of the time that's all I want. It opens instantly and there's no learning curve.
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"windows+shift+s" will change your life, I almost never open paint nowadays
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Indeed, for the few things it does, it does it quick and easy. I do a lot of the rough work in Paint, and then finalize in Gimp. Gimp is too many key/mouse/eye movements for certain functions and function changes. I just wish they had a blur/sharpen, tint, and contrast/alpha adjustments.
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Truly a shame (Score:2)
Says a lot about Microsoft's incompetence (Score:5, Interesting)
It says a lot about the incompetence of Satya Nadella's Microsoft when they can't even produce an effective replacement for Paint. UWP has been shown to be worthless for desktop productivity applications, and their "Modern UI" tablet-style interface has been an utter failure, yet they continue to push this as the future of Windows. Nadella still believes in his "mobile first" strategy, apparently not realising that users have actual work to do that can't be achieved with touch-optimised apps on mobile devices. Nadella's incompetence is only being hidden by the large increases in revenue he's generating by turning everything into a subscription service, but there's only so far you can screw your customers with ever increasing prices and ever declining product quality before people start to look elsewhere.
Nobody at Microsoft seems able to recognise these failures, both in terms of software quality and software design. The company has been gradually filling up with soft-skills project managers and UX designers who believe themselves to be highly creative and talented, but have now clue about making effective, useful software. They simply follow the latest fads and have turned software into something similar to the fashion industry, with frequent redesigns to follow the latest fashionable trends. While they're busy being trendy and "creative" Microsoft's software is falling apart. Comparing Paint to Paint 3D is a perfect example of this, and while Paint is a fast, effective productivity tool, Paint 3D is a worthless toy for children.
I'm a life-long Windows user, but I've lost all confidence in Microsoft. Their buggy, unstable, invasive and poorly designed Windows 10 was the final straw for me, so I switch to Linux Mint Cinnamon. I've found it to be far more stable than Windows 10, far more customisable and far better at meeting my needs. Microsoft can't get anything right these days, so I'm done with them.
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Are you a moron? Nobody is "doing work" in ms paint. There's no reason to replace it. Professionals use professional graphics tools.
I think you'll find a lot of people use Paint for productivity work. If you want to quickly resize, crop or annotate an image, Paint is the perfect tool. It starts instantly and is simple to use, while providing all the features needed in office environments. It's useful for taking screenshots and cropping them, for use in documentation or bug reports. It's useful for quickly resizing photographs to make them smaller for use in an email. It's simple shapes, like circles and arrows, and its simple text
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I now use Unbuntu as my daily work machine. The second most annoying thing about it is the lack of MS Paint for screenshot editing. Pinta just isn't as good. The most annoying thing is the lack of Notepad++, of course.
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and you can get Notepad++ to run on Linux with WINE.
Oh, yeah, wow. I actually hadn't considered that. Great idea!
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I now use Unbuntu as my daily work machine. The second most annoying thing about it is the lack of MS Paint for screenshot editing.
GIMP to complex for basic edits? Try mtpaint, mypaint, or kolourpaint instead.
The most annoying thing is the lack of Notepad++, of course.
gvim can't duplicate the features? What about geany?
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Notepad++ is its own special thing. It's hard to explain, but it sort of magically does what you want as a lightweight code / structured data editor with no learning curve, and instant launch. I've never seen anything as good, in terms of default behavior.
Re: Says a lot about Microsoft's incompetence (Score:2)
Its not surprising that outside of MSPaint and Notepad++ that such tools are rare. And it is not surprising that Notepad++ is by far the gold standard out of those two.
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Re: Says a lot about Microsoft's incompetence (Score:2)
Then there are professionals in every other field, such as lawyers, I.T., accountants, clerks, mechanics, etc. As well as uncles, nephews, cousins, etc. MSPaint is a professional tool for professionals, like Notepad is a professional tool for Sysadmins.
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It says a lot about the incompetence of Satya Nadella's Microsoft when they can't even produce an effective replacement for Paint.
Actually it says a lot that they tried. Paint is not a tool worthy of replacing. It's a tool worthy of being made irrelevant through core features in the OS.
and their "Modern UI" tablet-style interface has been an utter failure
According to whom? From what I can see their modern UI does everything the previous Windows UI did while also allowing context sensitive changes if you're using a touch based interface. The release of this and their Surface line (which turned out to be a decent profit centre) has caused the entire industry to follow suit producing touch sensitive laptop
Touch This, Nadie! (Score:2)
In trying to play mobile catch-up to Google and Apple, they risk killing their sacred desktop cow, and they'd be left with nothing if they did because they historically fail more often at mobile than the Lakers have at getting into the playoffs.
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It says a lot about the incompetence of Satya Nadella's Microsoft when they can't even produce an effective replacement for Paint.
Why should they? There are other image editing programs that you can use.
Good (Score:3)
Paint is pretty limited but it's still a useful program you can count on being installed on any random computer.
Personally though I prefer paint.NET as a quick and free editor with a decent feature set. GIMP is OK too but on a Windows machine the GTK toolkit just feels out of place.
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Hotkey friendly. Fast and lightweight.
Also unintimidating. You see that sometimes with software in this vein, opensource/github/indie, but irfanview seems to behave/look simple when you're only pursuing the simple. I want to view images, I want to hop around this local folder, I want to full screen.
Then you dig deeper and while the simplicity fades (entering the world of frankenstien'd user requests/features) you have shit like batch renaming of files. With, IMO, somewhat intuitive use/instruction.
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Yeah, I thought everyone just used Paint.NET at this point. It'd still be a mistake to remove it. If they took it out of future versions of the install media, then users trying to manipulate screenshots as part of a network connectivity error after initial install might be in a situation where they had no tool for that purpose at all. Back when operating systems came on floppies it made sense to keep the bundled accessories to a minimum, but not so much now.
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I miss the old JASC (before Corel)'s Paint Shop Pro. Paint.NET is slow and bloated IMO like GIMP.
Windows Media Player (Score:2)
Great now put Windows Media Player back in Windows.
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Great now put Windows Media Player back in Windows.
Right, and I can't wait to adjust all the file associations, again and again...
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When did they take it out?
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When I first got Windows 10, it didn't have Media Player, but some silly tablet-esque replacement. After a lot of googling & fiddling I got it back.
But another thing yanked out per earlier versions is Movie Maker. It may be put-back-able with similar amounts of fiddle faddle.
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Movie Maker wasn't that bad. I remember using that back in the days when cameras stored stuff sequentially on little casettes.
Movie Maker back? [Re:Windows Media Player] (Score:1)
Hmmm, might be back. [microsoft.com] I sorta remember them charging for it if you went to MS Store a couple of years ago.
I also remember their later version was quite different from the first. I have no idea why it changed so much. The change happened before the finger-centric make-overs.
Complete non-issue. (Score:2)
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You are a prize moron. MS's official blogs PROVE that MS has handed off responsibility for all the old Win32 inbuilt apps to an employee who was officially told to kill them.
Isn't that deprecation by another name? Hand it off to someone who in no way will have the resources to properly maintain them - sounds like deprecation to me.
Of course a neoliberal regular of Slashdot dribbles statist lies to project an NSA-linked corporation like MS,l even when MS's irrational acts spitefully hurt ordinary users for no good reason.
Did you mean "protect"? If so, I don't see how saying "my bet is that it's still deprecated" is in any way protecting MS. In fact, it's the opposite - a cynical observation that it's my belief that they still plan to kill it, they just stopped saying so because saying so upset people. And since when have liberals protected MS or the NSA?
Seems to m
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All those future versions of Windows are also called Windows 10.
getpaint.net (Score:3)
There's a free paint program called "paint.net" which used to be found at (duh) paint.net, but I just checked and they appear to have lost the domain. It's now available at getpaint.net.
This is from memory, but my daughter, who is an artist, switched to paint.net (now getpaint.net) from Microsoft Paint because paint.net was still being developed (MS Paint appears to be stagnant) and (again from memory) paint.net had better stylus support.
For what it's worth. If you're a serious artist and for God only knows what reason [1] you're on the Windows platform, you might give it a try.
[1] That's actually not a fair snipe in this day and age, as Microsoft is making real efforts to cater to content creators. Whereas, although Apple was at one time the go-to platform for content creation, they appear to be more in line with content consumption these days.
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As an aside, I remember the web site always being getpaint.net, so I'm not sure when they might have lost the paint.net domain.
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MSPaint is not a competitor to Paint.NET, Photoshop, Gimp, or Paint Shop Pro, except for those wierdo edge cases.
MSPaint is feature complete. Its biggest attribute is that it is ALWAYS installed on Windows. Second, it loads instantly.
Not all image editing is about making professional quality edits. Some image editing is simply about gathering documentation.
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MSPaint Stagnant? Surely you meant it was a finished product?
MSPaint is not a competitor to Paint.NET, Photoshop, Gimp, or Paint Shop Pro, except for those wierdo edge cases.
MSPaint is feature complete. Its biggest attribute is that it is ALWAYS installed on Windows. Second, it loads instantly.
Not all image editing is about making professional quality edits. Some image editing is simply about gathering documentation.
I use the same argument for vim. It doesn't do inline photos or headers and footers, but some version of VI is guaranteed to be part of any *nix distribution.
I'm talking about something here that I know very little about, which makes me a bit uncomfortable. I can only tell you what my daughter told me. She's the one with artistic training.
So, paraphrased, I'm told that MSPaint is suitable for drawing circles and arrows but not much more than that. If you have a variable pressure stylus and you're doing
Why, again? (Score:2)
Look, I can see you don't want to support every stinking piece of software out there until the End Times.
However, it doesn't seem to make much sense to deliberately leave out a perfectly fine little utility like Paint (or games like Minesweeper, Freecell, etc) when they are essentially the closest thing to a "completed" piece of software we'll ever encounter?
Can someone explain to me the rationale for NOT including them in a way that doesn't leave MS looking like greedy fucks?
Because I know I was disappoint
Ok, I am happy to keep again Paint... (Score:4, Insightful)
This is a main reason why security holes exist... (Score:3)
By constantly removing features (or moving them to pro/enterprise versions), Microsoft is teaching people not to upgrade. Nor are they unique in this respect, most companies do it. As a result, people (and companies) are delaying upgrades, which makes their systems vulnerable.
Done =! Obsolete (Score:3)
Paint may be complete in features leaving nothing else to be developed, but it's still used everyday by users. Why wouldn't they include it in all future versions of Windows?
GIMP another reason I stuck with Linux and FOSS (Score:1)
Yay. Now save the Snipping Tool (Score:3)
Oh thank GOD (Score:2)
That is the best news. I am so happy.
Now work on your quarterly updates fucking over 30% of the PCs in the world. Mmmkay?
Mspaint is a critical windows app (Score:2)
Straightening the paintings ... (Score:2)
... on the Titanic.