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US Navy Wants 350 Billion Social Media Posts (bbc.com) 109

The US Navy is seeking to create an archive of at least 350 billion social media posts from around the world, in order to study how people talk online. From a report: The military project team has not specified which social media platform it intends to collect the data from. The posts must be publicly available, come from at least 100 different countries and include at least 60 different languages. They should also date between 2014 and 2016. The details were revealed in a tender document from the Naval Postgraduate School for a firm to provide the data. Applications have now closed. Additional requirements included: the posts must come from at least 200 million unique users; no more than 30% can come from a particular country; at least 50% must be in a language other than English; location information must be included in at least 20% of the records; private messaging and user information will not form part of the database.
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  • how they're defining 'publicly available'.
  • Such a collection is expressly a violation of the EU GPDR and the Canadian Constitution, both of which apply to all citizens worldwide and to residents in those regions.

    And the State Constitution of Washington State.

    I could go on.

    Expect lawsuits.

    • yeah. Only once you sue russia and china.
    • Do you think Twitter is a violation of the Canadian Constitution? Which part?

      Twitter is, of course, a collection of Twitter posts, so if a collection of Twitter posts somehow violates the constitution, that would include Twitter itself.

      As to GDPR, almost every list that involves people is *technically* a violation of GDPR, if it's used for any business or professional purpose. I suppose USN could argue it is for a military purpose, not a commercial purpose. However GDPR also explicitly applies to each indi

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Twitter has freely given, opt-in permission from every user to store and display those tweets. The US Navy does not.

        In fact it would be a GDPR violation for Twitter to allow the Navy to harvest tweets in bulk in that manner.

        • That might be the smartest thing you ever posted here on Slashdot.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Thanks?

            • I shouldn't have said that like I did. You're right on the consent thing.

              On anything political you and I pretty much disagree on everything. If I came from your background and read the media you read, I'd probably think the same way you do. A reasonable, intelligent person reading CNN all day would see a certain view of the world and come to believe certain things. Coming from my background and reading what I read, your conclusions often seem ridiculous to me. Not because you're not smart, but because what

              • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                Thanks for that, and don't worry about it. It's really refreshing to meet someone who thinks that way.

                I don't watch CNN. Maybe you can get it here on cable, I don't know. For news I mostly use the BBC, Guardian, Independent, NHK and i. Well, I don't check the Indy much these days because of the auto-play videos.

                But I also tend to think that my political philosophy is less a reflection of those (I often disagree with them) and more just as a result of applying my philosophical beliefs (mostly humanism) and o

                • Sounds like the same concept, different country.

                  I don't read the British press as much as I should, so I don't have a great example of what you might see, but perhaps an analogy of what I see in the US will make sense. Nearly every day, Fox News has a story about a firefighter or cop who saved someone, or did some great unselfish act. Also nearly every day, CNN will have an "update" about some cop who did something bad two years ago. Both stories are true. There really is a hero cop, and really is a bad a

                  • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

                    by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                    I see your point but I'd be careful with assumptions there. For example I read the Indy but the rather obvious bias is a bit grating. They definitely put a spin on things. I mostly read it to pick up on a few things the others don't report, and to see how the People's Vote campaign is going as they report (in a biased way) on that quite often.

                    It's sad that people find other points of view "trolling" and can't stand to hear them. Usually the same ones moaning about their free speech being curtailed.

        • Twitter has freely given, opt-in permission from every user to store and display those tweets. The US Navy does not.

          In fact it would be a GDPR violation for Twitter to allow the Navy to harvest tweets in bulk in that manner.

          The US Navy is not collecting the tweets. Twitter, if that turns out to be the supplier, did. The US Navy is buying the database from Twitter. Not collecting. Not scraping off the net. Not "harvesting".

          Second, the GDPR covers PERSONAL data. The RFQ explicitly excludes personal data from the purchase. If you have put personal data into your tweet, then that was YOUR choice and YOUR option, and your act in tweeting it to the public is an implicit agreement for them to see it.

          Third, by POSTING the tweets

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      The privacy violations would have been committed by Facebook, Twitter, etc. collecting and not protecting that information, not by the US navy harvesting it. Besides which, the US government has sovereign immunity.

      • No, if you sign an international treaty that says you respect the privacy rights of the EU and Canada, treaties are higher than laws, it's LITERALLY IN THE US Constitution.

        Do none of you people take Civics anymore?

        • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
          The "US Constitution" works for the USA.
          The US Navy can do what it wants globally within US law.
          US law is not EU law.
          The US mil is not the gov of Canada.
          The US would never sign any "international treaty" that would hold back the collection ability of the US mil.
    • you think the United States cares about or is even vaguely aware of violating international law. I know this'll sound harsh, but I suggest asking one of the many schools and/or hospitals we helped bomb in the middle east about that. I'd stop short of interviewing the members of Death Squads in South America we helped train though.

      Your internet privacy is so far down the totem pole the Chinese saw it when it tunnel through the Earth and came out the other side.
    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      What part of "private messaging and user information will not form part of the database" can you not understand?

    • Such a collection is expressly a violation of the EU GPDR and the Canadian Constitution,

      Utter nonsense. If this were true, why has the EU not taken Twitter or other social media company to court to sue them out of existence? Or Canada sued anyone over this?

      Here's the facts that are being ignored in this manufactured broo ha ha:

      1. The RFQ is for an existing database of social media texts that already exists and has been collected by an existing social media company. That may be Twitter, it may be someone else. In any case, the legal protection of any EU or Canadian laws will be the responsibil
      • I see you haven't been paying attention to the record fines in the UK and EU for social media firms recently, over just this thing. Or in Canada.

        Yes, their laws for their citizens data, EVEN IF COLLECTED FROM A US SITE, apply here, it's part of the Data Privacy Agreements, and there will be actions taken under the treaties.

        Thanks for playing. Next time read the parts of the US Constitution about how Treaties are suzeraint over Congressional Laws.

        • I see you'd rather knee-jerk react to "US Navy" instead of actually read what is going on, or you just can't suss it out even when it is pointed out to you.

          The US Navy isn't gathering anything, and they aren't creating any database. They're buying an existing corporate collection. The responsibility for GDPR or the Canadian Constitution (which does not apply the the US Navy because it is the CANADIAN CONSTITUTION) falls upon the corporation already collecting the data.

          I don't care if there are "record fi

          • Wrong. The USN, just like the USAF my dad and grandpa served in, is subject to Treaties.

            Nice try.

            • There is no fucking treaty involved here. The US NPS is buying a commercial database, not creating one of their own. Nice try.

              If there is one that applies, you would have responded to any of the other requests for info on what treaty you think is involved, but you have not. Stop spreading nonsense and chill out. The big bad US Navy isn't going to drop a bomb on your head because you tweeted something bad.

            • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
              The US would never sign any "Treaties" that block US mil/gov/contractors from "collect it all".
              • The US NPS is not collecting anything. They're trying to buy a commercial database from the social media company. The social media posts have already been collected, presumably under the jurisdiction and volition of any relevant laws, which GDPR is NOT, nor is the Canadian Constitution, nor is the Constitution of the State of Washington. Nothing in any of those documents prevents the collection and storage of publicly posted messages.
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      The US mil would never agree to any US law on that.
      No US law, no problem for the US Navy.
      Nations in the EU and Canada are not the USA so that is of no legal issue to the US mil.
      The "EU GPDR" is a problem in EU nations gov/mil and the EU bureaucrats.
      What the Canadian Constitution says is a problem for the mil/gov of Canada to work within.
      The USA mil is not the EU/Canada.
  • 2019: The Ministry of Silly Posts.

  • Hmmmmmm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @01:44PM (#58667392) Journal

    "The US Navy is seeking to create an archive of at least 350 billion social media posts from around the world, in order to study how people talk online"

    Nothing creepy or ominous there.

    I'm scared to even imagine what kind of automated goal-seeking surveillance project this might be used for.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Re "I'm scared to even imagine what kind of automated goal-seeking surveillance project this might be used for."

      1. Mostly to support the CIA and MI6 do better color revolutions using social media.
      2. To give the CIA and MI6 the ability to look back over any persons past.
      Can they ever be used in another nation is any role if they have a complex online/scoial media past that would never fit with their created "spy" story with created a NGO/business/political/trade/faith "role".
      3. To look over all US s
      • Numbers 2 and 4 seem the most likely to me.

        It's the same reason as to why the NSA stores reams of encrypted data that they've intercepted but can't read.

        They can't read it today, but they'll probably be able to someday and the insights would/will be invaluable.

        And yes, the Earnest Voice thing (or something like it) is also a very likely application. Maybe to train bots to be truly indistinguishable from real people. Feed in the slant of the news or platform you want (or don't want) and let it run, flooding

        • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
          The easy part is working out what they want.
          No more political anthropologists needed. They can do it with real data sets.
          Detecting the result in real time is the fun part :)
  • Simple. You have a group of posters with ZERO responsibility for their actions. As such, many posters are dicks. Caffeinated Bacon, they are looking for you.
  • how does people talking online relate to boats? Aren't there already agencies that deal with cyber threats.
    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      US Naval Intelligence is kind of like the NSA and CIA except they have aircraft carriers and ballistic missile submarines. They also seem to screw up less.

      Probably they want to develop tools to gauge political stability in a region and possibly push it one way or another. Stable for places near where your boats are floating, unstable for places your boats are bombing.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      The US Navy and US Army had a long tradition in global crypto work until the NSA.
      The US Navy is returning to their past skill sets as the new NSA is now too busy with different tasks.
      Tracking the worlds communications is a task that is returning to the US Navy.
      Supporting missions globally from US ships.
      A container ship in some port in China. Collect it all.
      All the "people talking online" unaware of what the US Navy is doing with its collecting.
      Until a CIA backed color revolution starts.
  • Type like the wind. Smash the Axis.

    We can do it.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    :)

  • by Livius ( 318358 ) on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @05:40PM (#58668840)

    They should also date between 2014 and 2016.

    Is this *another* attempt to pretend Clinton didn't lose in 2016 on her own merits (or rather lack thereof)?

  • The military is actually asking before it trains a killer AI?
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      US mil anthropologist would like to see a change to the term "AI"
      Any system will always have a human at the very end of any US mil system.

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