ICANN's Recent .Amazon Decision Denounced by Presidents of Peru, Colombia, Ecuador and Bolivia (circleid.com)
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The presidents of Peru, Colombia, Ecuador and Bolivia have criticized the recent ICANN decision to grant global retailer Amazon the rights to the .amazon top-level domain. From a report: The four leaders -- Peru's Martin Vizcarra, Colombia's Ivan Duque, Ecuador's Lenin Moreno and Bolivia's Evo Morales -- vowed to join forces in protecting their countries form what they call inadequate governance of the internet. The four leaders issued a joint statement on Sunday stating that the decision sets "a grave precedent by prioritizing private commercial interests above the considerations of state public policies, the rights of indigenous people and the preservation of the Amazon."
Why do we even have separate TLDs? (Score:3, Interesting)
The only reason we have .COM, .ORG, .NET, etc etc is so that ICANN can charge us many, many times over to register our name under each of these stupid top level domains.
As Google gets around to circumventing ICANN, they should just make it all TLD's from the get go. This whole .AMAZON thing becomes completely moot if everybody can have their own TLD.
Press release (Score:2)
This tells you all that you need to know. The Spanish language .tld would be Amazonas. [spanishdict.com]
I even hear that that one is still available...
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I see no problem here..... (Score:5, Funny)
I’m sure in a few years Amazon will own everything of value anyway, and we’ll be spending our time fighting their warehouse robots as they run over human skulls, hiding from their delivery drones and dodging their orbital satellite network and rocket platforms...
No time to worry about countries rights or rainforests then anyway.
Re:I see no problem here..... (Score:5, Funny)
fighting their warehouse robots as they run over human skulls, hiding from their delivery drones and dodging their orbital satellite network and rocket platforms...
When Amazon decides to sell you something, it can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse, or fear, and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you're fulfilled.
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fighting their warehouse robots as they run over human skulls, hiding from their delivery drones and dodging their orbital satellite network and rocket platforms...
When Amazon decides to sell you something, it can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse, or fear, and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you're fulfilled.
Mod Wayyyyyy Up!
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You just keep droning on an on and on...
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Minor nit since your point is valid, but .tv is the ccTLD of Tuvalu.
Which tells you everything you need to know about how silly this is. Nobody gives a flying about Tuvaluv, and Tuvalu makes money off of ".tv".
If these South American countries get their way, after a suitable amount of time they will just love selling Amazon some .amazon domains for mucho bucks. It's not like they ever actually had any plans for a bunch of Amazon river related websites.
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amazon.com indicates a commercial entity named after the Amazon. Why would they oppose that?
amazon.com is .com TLD (Score:2)
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Back in the days of yore when knights roamed the land and a 486 was cutting edge, the .com TLD was for commercial outfits. So no-one would have expected an organization representing the Amazon rainforest to use .com, they would use .org.
Join the club (Score:5, Insightful)
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Gotta wonder why Venezuela and Brazil aren't in the list of countries complaining? I always thought the Amazon was mostly in Brazil.
Venezuela is easy. The Amazon doesn't run through Venezuela. The main river of Venezuela is the Orinoco. There is some quirk though: the Casiquiare canal [wikipedia.org], a natural connection between Orinoco and Amazon (not directly the main stream, but the Rio Negro).
And Brazil? Since Mr. Bolsonaro took office, he does everything to please the U.S. president, and anything administrative is of no real importance to the Brazilian government.
Re:Join the club (Score:4, Insightful)
Mod the parent up to +6!
These stupid top level domains are out of control. It breaks the system where we had the 'original' TLDs (.net, .com .org), plus country or political entity (e.g. .eu), and that was it ...
Anything else is name space pollution and just a money grab.
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It's plain stupid to restrict domains in any way. And it's crazy how much ICANN charges for a TLD. It should cost nearly nothing to create a TLD, and anyone should be able to do it, not just wealthy corporations able to fork over the $400K that ICANN charges for a TLD.
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I fully agree.
Except that we have widely used legacy of .com, .org, and .net.
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I agree.
But it ain't gonna happen as long as there is money to be made from thin air (random letters that some are willing to pay for, for whatever silly reason).
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They are all very English centric though. Non-English speaking countries want their own ones, including non-Latin characters. In that respect even the country code ones are.
In Japan all the ads say "search for $company_name", and in China a lot of sites are just some number (e.g. 123456.cn) and they treat it like a phone number. Writing out Latin domain names in a foreign language and foreign character set is tricky for a lot of people.
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"us" here is the vast majority of Internet users. None of the new TLDs have any measurable success in anything. You don't see them anywhere, they aren't advertised or on business cards or anywhere, really.
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They're busy deforesting the Amazonian basin. The only Amazon left will be the online retailer in a few years anyway, so they probably figured they didn't want to bother complaining.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA (Score:3)
"a grave precedent by prioritizing private commercial interests above the considerations of state public policies, the rights of indigenous people and the preservation of the Amazon."
Welcome to Earth?
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Welcome to world corporate capitalism. Profits before people!
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Now with 100% more Globalization!
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as if (Score:2)
""a grave precedent by prioritizing private commercial interests above the considerations of state public policies, the rights of indigenous people and the preservation of the Amazon."
As if those people cared about the rights of the indigenous people of the Amazon.
Oh, really? (Score:1)
Pretty sure âoeAmazonâ is an English word.
Maybe Peru, Colombia, Ecuador and Bolivia should concentrate on protecting for their use whatever word is indigenous to those countries that describes the region English speakers refer to as âoeAmazonâ, instead of trying to appropriate English for their purposes.
Re: Oh, really? (Score:2)
Yeah that word would be á¼Î¼Î±ÎÏOEνÎÏ.
lol (Score:1)
Pointlessness is the point (Score:2)
> serves no real purpose. But leave it to politicians and businesses to right over something as meaningless and trivial as this.
Some people want to have power and tell other people what to do. They are called "politicians" and "CEOs". Having them spend their time fighting over Stu stuff like this keeps them busy so they have less time to bother the rest of us.
Congress not getting anything done? Maybe the founding fathers decided that the arrogant busy bodies in Congress shouldn't be able to actually aff
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URLs are already nonsensical. Most people end up sticking .com, .org or .net to a name to find that organisation's website without really thinking. It's so stupid you'll find anti-consumerist group Postconsumers [postconsumers.com] on a .com domain for instance.
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Has anyone got .sucks yet? Should be reserved for sites about how much companies suck, consumer groups etc.
Oh wait, looks like someone already has it: https://icannwiki.org/.sucks [icannwiki.org]
90% parked spam domains. SA objected because they don't like blowjobs. Sigh.
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Your comment is about 5 years too late about TLDs.
Your comment is about 20 years to late for URLs being nonsense in general.
This is *exactly* what was predicted (Score:2)
This is *exactly* what was predicted to happen, and why the ICANN process was completely backwards. They did the exact opposite of what was recommended. The only fair solution is for each gtld to be managed by an organization that is not a trademark holder of the name. It would be unfair for any of these organizations to own .apple: Apple Bank of New York, Apple Federal Credit Union of VA, Apple Computers, the US Apple Growers Commission, or the Midwest Apple Improvement Association. Instead, we need a
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These stupid gTLDs shouldn't even exist. There should only be country codes, and the classic TLDs themselves should be under them. Ideally, they would actually mean something, too. But then, I've got a .org already, so I also feel that ship has sailed...
Create your own DNS (Score:2)
meanwhile (Score:2)
The ancient Greek women (with one tit cur off to improve their archery) are the ones with the first claim on the name.
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The ancient Greek women (with one tit cur off to improve their archery) are the ones with the first claim on the name.
The Amazons were Scythian, not Ancient Greek.
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How about my right as a non-forest dweller living in a town where small high street retailers have been driven out of business to register "fuck.amazon"?
Those countries could retaliate in kind (Score:2)
Get a successful online commerce company going, and name it Tongass or Olympic or Okeechobee. Then have it apply for a TLD of its own, serve some popcorn and watch the fun unfold.
Domain name (Score:2)
Is www.earthquake.8.0.amazon still available?
It's a cash grab by ICANN (Score:3)
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That's more an issue with URLs in general. URLs don't identify an organization. Even the "enhanced" certificates don't really identify an org because they are relatively easy to get for fake ones.
For the average user the system doesn't really help them detect fraud.
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The Amazon itself has no internet presence. It is a place in the jungle. It doesn't even have a tourism website. They literally have no claim to any part of the internet just because it's the name of their place, especially when they have made precisely zero effort at an internet presence in the past.
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Perhaps Peru, Colombia, Ecuador, and Bolivia could pool their money and get .bananarepublic?
Too soon?
You think they're mad now, just wait until (Score:2)
You think they're mad now, just wait until .columbia is given to a company in Portland.
English? (Score:2)
IIRC, the Spanish and Portuguese words for the Amazon jungle are 'Amazonas' or 'Amazo^nia'. Have they registered these TLD's? No. [iana.org].
Also, Lenin Moreno can choke on a bag of dicks [amzn.to].
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Wrong topic. This is about Amazons who cut their left boob off.
Re:And of course ICANN was right (Score:5, Insightful)
It may be true that Amazon.com has sucked more money from the world than the Amazonia countries have but that is the wrong measure. Amazon.com is a major part of the consumer focused economy which is destroying the environment. OTOH, Amazonia is a major carbon sink and source of biodiversity (under constant attack by corporations). .amazon is just another sign of the corporate takeover of the world.
The corporate takeover of TLD
Re: And of course ICANN was right (Score:3)
Corporations and rich people are destroying the Amazon for profit.
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The corporate takeover of TLD
You mean applied for the arbitrary name and paid for it?
Re: And of course ICANN was right (Score:2)
Xwertyz is an arbitrary name.
Amazon is a well known place name.
We each have a given name. How would you feel if some corporation stole your name?
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The corporate takeover of TLD .amazon is just another sign of the corporate takeover of the world.
Especially given that we gave them their own playpen. All corporations should register in .com and that's it. Clear, simple, straightforward and fair.
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They want control so they can rent it back to Amazon, officially or "unofficially".
Re:And of course ICANN was right (Score:4, Insightful)
Amazon (company) has contributed more to the world economically and otherwise than the Amazonian peoples of Peru, Colombia, Ecuador and Bolivia combined. When we see comparable contribution
Amazon creates oxygen.
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... which the indigenous people take. Look, I have nothing against them, but lets not pretend that the indigenous people of the Amazon region are outraged that Amazon the company has a TLD similar to the name they would use to refer to their region: Amazonas [wikipedia.org]. This is nothing but an attempt at a money grab by these politicians.
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Amazon creates oxygen.
And the anaerobic bacteria think all of that air pollution is HORRIBLE. Restore Nature back to what it was!
Re: And of course ICANN was right (Score:2)
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Amazon (company) has contributed more to the world economically and otherwise than the Amazonian peoples of Peru, Colombia, Ecuador and Bolivia combined. When we see comparable contribution, then perhaps they can raise a legitimate complaint to ICANN.
Amazon the company has 2018 revenues of $232 billion, while the economies of Peru, Colombia, Ecuador and Bolivia had a combined GDP of $1.5 trillion. Amazon has 647k employees, while the four countries have a population of 110 million. While Amazon the company has more mindshare in the US, that's a far cry from real contributions, economic or otherwise.
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This is a GREAT idea. Lawyers are shit. Should've been done ages ago!