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Google Promises To Play Nice With Ad Blockers (Again) (zdnet.com) 138

An anonymous reader shares a report: After being ripped to shreds by angry users, Google engineers have promised this week that the upcoming changes to Chrome's extensions system won't cripple ad blockers, as everyone is fearing. Instead, the company claims that the new extension API changes will actually improve user privacy and bring speed improvements. Furthermore, Google also promised to raise a maximum limit in one of the upcoming APIs that should address and lay to rest the primary criticism brought against the new extensions API by developers of ad blockers during the last six months.
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Google Promises To Play Nice With Ad Blockers (Again)

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:25AM (#58755752)

    I cant wait for google to cancel ads. Its like the one product they have not shut down.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I for one will never buy anything that its forcefully advertised to me! if I want ads I will watch TV or get informed from them!

      • Static ads (Score:5, Informative)

        by p51d007 ( 656414 ) on Thursday June 13, 2019 @04:36PM (#58757680)
        If ALL ads were static, kind of like an ad in a newspaper or magazine, I wouldn't block them. But, some sites are so IN YOUR FACE with ads. Pop ups, unders, and those that start a video with blaring sound after you have scrolled down the page, then have to scramble back up to figure out which ad is the one playing. If it wasn't for uBlock, ABP...some sites would be impossible to read.
    • Re:The non-pressure (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anubis IV ( 1279820 ) on Thursday June 13, 2019 @04:46PM (#58757718)

      If only. Instead, they decided to lie through their teeth on this one.

      Contrary to their claims that they won't cripple ad blockers after all (how generous of them!), what they've actually done is bump up the number of rules ad blockers are allowed to set via the new API by a factor of 5 (from 30K to 150K). That sounds great until you realize that uBlock Origin, today, without including any region-specific lists, already has nearly 200K rules in the lists it can pull from, and users are welcome to import their own lists from other sources on top of that. These lists aren't getting smaller, so the lists will have no choice but to start omitting rules, making them less and less useful.

      And that's before we consider the fact that these rules are more limited in what they can do than what the previous API allowed, meaning that, even if 150K rules is enough for you to cover your needs, you'd still be less capable of blocking content than you were before.

      • So it will become necessary (and sufficient?) to couple the adblock lists with a good hosts file. So probably no Windows 10.

  • Right (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:27AM (#58755764)

    Because if Google is known for anything is for how much they care about their user's privacy.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Please don't think that Firefox is somehow better at protecting your privacy.

      Read Firefox's privacy policy [mozilla.org] for yourself.

      Firefox can collect and send a lot of user data to various places and organizations.

      Be sure to search the text of Firefox's privacy policy for the name "Google". See how Firefox's privacy policy refers you to Google privacy policies!

      It doesn't matter if this tracking and info collection might be disabled. It doesn't matter that they disclose it. This sort of data collection can't b

      • by Anonymous Coward

        It's definitely not worse. And i'll take a browser thats not developed by an advertising company any day.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          I think that the Firefox situation is worse because a lot of its users don't realize how much user data Firefox collects and sends out.

          At least with Chrome you know up front that Google is involved. With Firefox you have no clue, especially if you're a less technical user, until you read Firefox's privacy policy and find out that your user data could very well be ending up with Google despite you not using Chrome and despite you not using GMail or Google Search or their other services directly.

          The illusion

          • by Anonymous Coward

            I switched over to Vivaldi this week at work. Running Nano Adblocker (fork of uBO) and Nano Defender as well as others. Vivaldi have sworn to not implement the offending API, even if Google do. I trust Vivaldi far more than Google. Jon, who is the CEO of Vivaldi is one of the founders of Opera and left when that firm went dodgy. He's a great guy and cares about end users far more than Google or Firefox. Firefox is too "SJW" and political for my liking. Vivaldi just shuts up and hacks, which is what an IT co

          • I think that the Firefox situation is worse because a lot of its users don't realize how much user data Firefox collects and sends out.

            "This guy divides his time between Mastodon, the Minecraft Wiki and 4chan. What can we sell him?"

            "An environment suit and a pair of #5 Dorrance hooks."

      • by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:46AM (#58755890) Homepage

        Please don't trick yourself into thinking that Firefox is any better.

        Firefox allows me to block ads, no problem.

        (...which is the topic of this discussion, not privacy)

        • by Sethra ( 55187 )

          But Firefox will be making Hyperlink Auditing [bleepingcomputer.com] mandatory.

          (but that's privacy...)

          • user.js

            user_pref("browser.send_pings", false);
            user_pref("browser.ping-centre.production.endpoint", "");
            user_pref("browser.ping-centre.staging.endpoint", "");
            user_pref("browser.send_pings.require_same_host", true);
            user_pref("browser.send_pings.max_per_link", 0);
        • by Calydor ( 739835 )

          So does Chrome, today.

          Firefox is moving towards having a Premium version that you pay for. How long do you really think it'll be before Premium is the only way to (at least easily) run an adblocker?

    • Yep. Don't expect them to allow blocking of google analytics anytime soon.

    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      We won't do evil trusssssssssssssttttttttt usss.

  • Right. (Score:5, Funny)

    by stealth_finger ( 1809752 ) on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:35AM (#58755804)
    Because anyone believes a word google says these days.
    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Kinda hard to lie when the source is open and anyone can go check it for themselves.

      The more important issue is that the new API still doesn't offer all the features necessary for some of the more advanced stuff in uBlock Origin.

      • by PCM2 ( 4486 )

        Kinda hard to lie when the source is open and anyone can go check it for themselves.

        The source may be open, but unless you compiled it yourself, you can't really be sure what's in that binary that you downloaded from Google.

        • Or ran it under a debugger and/or disassembled. Which is a thing, don't kid yourself. If there's a sneaky trick to ferret out and make public, there is a (white hat) hacker who is going to do it. There is no better way to get hacking fame than that.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

      You know, comments like yours is precisely the reason companies stop listening to users:

      Company: Announces change.
      Users: Complain.
      Company: Addresses complaints directly by saying they won't implement the changes.
      Users: Complain.

      Your comment is precisely the reason why users get treated more and more like some stupid thing to ignore and force in a direction any company wants precisely because you are unpleasable. That directly gives companies no incentive to listen to you in the future.

      So how about you save

      • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

        by Tough Love ( 215404 )

        How about you take your holier-than-thou-ism and shove it up your ass, and save it there until you actually have a point?

      • Company: Addresses complaints directly by saying they won't implement the changes.

        They didn't. They said they are going to continue to implement the changes in a way that breaks things. They didn't use those exact words, of course.

      • by sjames ( 1099 )

        No.

        Company: Announces change

        Users: Complain

        Company:Addresses complaints directly by saying they won't implement the changes.

        Company: (a few months later) OH LOOK! We had our fingers crossed!

        Company: But please be distracted by this cheap plastic shiny consolation trinket.

        Users: WTF?!?

        thegarbz: (with starry eyes) OOOOOOOhhh so SHINEY!!!

        • Not going to happen. Google knows it's way too easy to switch browsers for them to be able to afford to negatively differentiate Chrome. When all the other Chromium-based browser makers announced they weren't going to follow Google's lead, that sealed the fate of the plan.

      • You neglect to mention how most of the complaints are ill informed and show a poor command of reading comprehension and/or basic reasoning skills.
        • For instance, Apple already made this change in Safari, and for much the same stated reasons. And their rule limit is 50,000 not the 150k Google is now proposing. Another example, there is an AC above shrieking about how having a cap on the rules submitted by the API is completely unreasonable and is surely solely there to break ad blockers. What could go wrong without putting any bounds on user-supplied input right?
      • You know, comments like yours is precisely the reason companies stop listening to users:

        Company: Announces change. Users: Complain. Company: Addresses complaints directly by saying they won't implement the changes. Users: Complain.

        Your comment is precisely the reason why users get treated more and more like some stupid thing to ignore and force in a direction any company wants precisely because you are unpleasable. That directly gives companies no incentive to listen to you in the future.

        So how about you save the complaint for when you actually have something to complain about. Seriously man, the world is a messed up place with plenty of real things to complain about.

        You know, these companies stopping listening to their users is the reasons for comments like mine. Google have shown time and time again their interests come first. End of story. It wasn't always that way but google has been a corporate machine for a good while now and they act exactly like a corporate machine does and 9 times out 10 when they announce something good for their users it's a secondary of something that is good for them or just a plain mask. I mean, google has no reason to play nice with ad bl

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:37AM (#58755818)

    Since installing Pi Hole on a Raspberry Pi, I have enjoyed an enormous (113,000 plus) block list. Ads do not come through on Roku, phones, tablets, or browsers. Even my Cable Modem / Router points backward to the Pi Hole.

    The Pi Hole was easily configured to use DNS over HTTPS and to make requests to Cloudfare. So Comcast can't scrape my traffic to sell ads to me. My DHCP server has been configured to use the Pi Hole as DNS, so I didn't even have to touch any of the machines in our household.

    Take that Google!

  • Firefox for the win
  • It still causes problems with no script.
    • by sinij ( 911942 )

      Of course Chrome cause problems with No Script. Ability to black list Google on per-website basis (e.g. no Google tracking outside of Google.com) is existential threat to Google.

  • You have no other choice [seamonkey-project.org].

    Don't waste your vote!

  • by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:10PM (#58756422)

    company claims that the new extension API changes will actually improve user privacy and bring speed improvements.

    It seems like they have conceded nothing here. It sounds like they are moving ahead with the Lie that taking away/restricting the API does not harm Ad Blockers and other tools: Trying to ``defeat'' the argument by contradiction --- just continuing to try and "save face" by disputing the point.

  • How could we doubt about it?

  • Right, and Hitler claimed all he wanted was the Sudetenland.
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