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Germany and the Netherlands To Build the First Ever Joint Military Internet (zdnet.com) 63

Posted by msmash from the how-about-that dept.
Government officials from Germany and the Netherlands have signed an agreement this week to build the first-ever joint military internet. From a report: The accord was signed on Wednesday in Brussels, Belgium, where NATO defense ministers met this week. The name of this new Dutch-German military internet is the Tactical Edge Networking, or TEN, for short. This is the first time when two nations merge parts of their military network, and the project is viewed as a test for unifying other NATO members' military networks in the future. The grand master plan is to have NATO members share military networks, so new and improved joint standards can be developed and deployed across all NATO states. TEN will be headquartered in Koblenz, Germany, and there will also be a design and prototype center at the Bernard Barracks in Amersfoort, the Netherlands.
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  • ... US contractors.

  • About time. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Friday June 28, 2019 @11:28AM (#58840344) Journal
    We really need 'internets', with no cross-over to the Internet. Not just military, but our utilities. In addition, these need to be on ipv6 with enforced security.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by ls671 ( 1122017 )

      Heu, just use IPsec and only let authorized packets through your network? Tor like networks, although slower and less efficient? Anyway, I don't think they are going to build a physical network from scratch. I suspect that it is perfectly feasible to build a secure network on top of existing infrastructure.

      • Then your not a Network Eng for a large company. Every PCI complaint DC project I've even been in has been built from scratch and then pushed out to replace the rest of the network.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by ls671 ( 1122017 )

          Indeed, I never heard of a PCI complaint! :)

          Are you sure that your projects laid and maintain all the fiber by themselves? For such projects, I have often seen the government making deals with several providers to have dedicated fiber links (redundancy) and those providers didn't lay any new fiber, they just used unused fiber from their pool. On top of it, IPsec was used on those links.

    • I think the term you are searching for is 'intranet'.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        I think the term you are searching for is 'intranet'.

        At least until some contractor / PHB decides that being able to do his job from the toilet at his house is more important and hooks up an illicit bridge device with a cell modem......

    • I'm not sure where you are going with that, it's not like the USA doesn't already have this.

      The US military has the NIPRNet & SIPRNet one is non-classified and the other is classified nether connects to the "internet" or any other privately owned network. On top of that every US controlled military base has multiple fiber networks outside of those two that do not connect to anything outside of the base (range or security networks, etc) or it connects to Niprnet (telco to the world via a copper dump at

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday June 28, 2019 @11:37AM (#58840392)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • The name of this new Dutch-German military internet is the Tactical Edge Networking, or TEN, for short.

      Most military internets only go up to TEN, but mine is going to go up to ELEVEN . . .

  • I thought internet was already military project (ARPANET).

  • The first? LOL.. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    I can assure you, they are NOT building the first multi-country IP network detached from the internet... Just the first one foolishly announced to the public..

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by ls671 ( 1122017 )

      True, there exists several secured networks on top of the existing existing infrastructure. I don't think there is that many using exclusively their own dedicated physical infrastructure.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        True, there exists several secured networks on top of the existing existing infrastructure. I don't think there is that many using exclusively their own dedicated physical infrastructure.

        They may use existing infrastructure for convince, but I can assure you it's designed with alternate dedicated paths for essential traffic that are NOT dependent on any commercial infrastructure.

      • Jesus ... look up SIPRNet and NiPRNet and then delete this idiotic post.

        The US Military does not use the fucking private internet for anything but buying pizza's or looking at cat video's.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by ls671 ( 1122017 )

          see my other post about this here:

          https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]

          SIPRNet:
          "Access is also available to a "...small pool of trusted allies, including Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom and New Zealand...".[5] This group (including the US) is known as the Five Eyes. "

          so, you are telling me that SIPRNet had boats and all to lay their own fiber all the way to Australia and that to have redundancy, they laid 3 or 4 new fiber links across the ocean? Interesting...

  • “Let's Play Global Thermonuclear War”!

  • TEN? (Score:3)

    by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Friday June 28, 2019 @12:10PM (#58840572) Journal
    Hey, if they call it the TEN Network, they can stream reruns of Babylon 5 on it, when they're not playing war-games with it..

    But in all seriousness: is this going to be completely physically separate from the public Internet? Because if it's not, then they may as well not waste their time, it will never be secure.

    Also, (from the linked article): "Troops operating on top of the TEN network will use identical computers, radios, tablets, and telephones, regardless of the country of origin."? All the easier to hack you with, my dear. All your adversaries, military and otherwise, need to do is get their hands on exemplars of those platforms, and so much for the security of your so-called 'military network'.
  • I guess you've never heard of this wee organization with dedicated secure fibre lines and bunkers and radar stations connected up since the sixties.

  • We're doomed!!!

    This winter we will clearly be headed to Ice Age!

    Because of too many Ford Explorers!

  • When Germany is "building" it it will not work, be over engineered, break, and over budget. However, if the Netherlands build it, it might actually work.

  • NATO's mission and reason for being ended decades ago, and I think we can say with 20/20 hindsight that NATO has done more to undermine the security of the European Union over these past two decades than not because it seems to disproportionately represent the predilections of the US deep state and its hard right hegemonic aspirations, as well as promote its unholy alliances with the enemies of liberal democracy's values in places like the Middle East and Africa. In order to best secure the European Unions
  • Only makes sense in the greater scheme of things. The Dutch and German militaries have had increasing military cooperation and integration going back years now, to the point where there's joint units with both Dutch and German soldiers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

    Another example: German air defense unit, stationed in Germany, but under direct Dutch control:
    https://www.reuters.com/articl... [reuters.com]

    Likewise, The Netherlands and Belgium rotate quick response jet interception duties over Dutch, Belgian a
  • Computer will be interoperable, but what about humans language barrier? Will they write documents in Dutch or German?

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