Trump: We 'Will Take a Look' Into Peter Thiel's Claims of Google Working With China (cnbc.com) 351
President Trump said this week his administration will "take a look" into Google following statements made earlier this week by billionaire tech investor Peter Thiel. From a report: "Billionaire Tech Investor Peter Thiel believes Google should be investigated for treason," Trump said in a tweet. "He accuses Google of working with the Chinese Government... A great and brilliant guy who knows this subject better than anyone! The Trump Administration will take a look!" On Sunday, Thiel, a Facebook board member, said that the FBI and the CIA should investigate Google to see if it has been infiltrated by Chinese intelligence.
"Number one, how many foreign intelligence agencies have infiltrated your Manhattan Project for AI (artificial intelligence)?" Thiel said, according to Axios. "Number two, does Google's senior management consider itself to have been thoroughly infiltrated by Chinese intelligence? Number three, is it because they consider themselves to be so thoroughly infiltrated that they have engaged in the seemingly treasonous decision to work with the Chinese military and not with the US military," Thiel said during the National Conservatism Conference in Washington.
"Number one, how many foreign intelligence agencies have infiltrated your Manhattan Project for AI (artificial intelligence)?" Thiel said, according to Axios. "Number two, does Google's senior management consider itself to have been thoroughly infiltrated by Chinese intelligence? Number three, is it because they consider themselves to be so thoroughly infiltrated that they have engaged in the seemingly treasonous decision to work with the Chinese military and not with the US military," Thiel said during the National Conservatism Conference in Washington.
WITCH HUNT!!!! (Score:4, Funny)
NO COLLUSION!!!!
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Not even subtle.. Mr Thiel is on the board of Facebook. They are an ad company. Their biggest competitor is Google. "Hey US Gov't go fuck with Google" just rolls of the tongue...
There is no question they are working with China (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact that Google is working with China has been known for some time, including censoring search results.
The only question is does China have influence over what Google does outside China? That would be a very interesting thing to look into. I give that a 50-50 shot of having some merit, even if it's just low level infiltration where China has some way to monitor non-China data or traffic.
Re: There is no question they are working with Chi (Score:5, Insightful)
I give it close to 0% chance that Google's American team would do China's bidding without making it a media whistleblowing firestorm.
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Because there is no way whatsoever to google bad stuff about google..... Google is evil. [google.com]
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Go ahead and trust their results if you want. [projectveritas.com]
When "fairness" becomes what ever those convinced of their own moral superiority decide what is good for you. I'm sure that deck won't be stacked.
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Sorry...Google Search left China because they refused to work with them to censor search results.
It is not about google working with China. Trump doesn't actually care about that. It is about them working against propaganda he needs to win again. Trump cares about that.
To Trump fact checkers are the enemy. Anything that slows or stops the right wing propaganda apparatus that brings us such wonderful gems as the Clinton's killed a guy and Pizzagate need to be eliminated. Propaganda, as long as it is his propaganda must be supported, so its fair game to use propaganda to destroy those who do not obe
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Yes, at a time when Thiel was in Saudi Arabia, a country that executes homosexuals. As does much of the world - if you're gay, either you're subject to questionable things like conversion therapy or other horrors, or simply tortured and killed. Very few countries accept gays (mostly western nations), even fewer recognize marriage rights.
So yes, being outed is a very big deal. Even in western countries where homosexuality is not
Re:There is no question they are working with Chin (Score:5, Interesting)
If we are to make the generous assumption that the reason only four voted with the moral majority is that they're afraid of him/his base rather than actually supporting his statement, I wonder: what's the end game? Wait him out and then rediscover principles? The base will be there after he's gone, so that can't be it. As a particular someone once warned us, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Trump can't, and won't, stick around forever. Most Republicans in office hope to do nothing more than ride him out. The question, as you point out, is his base. Some of the base will revert back to "traditional" Republicans, especially the ones that held their nose and voted for Trump. As for the rest, well, most of the people that have tried to be like Trump haven't really succeeded. Moore's Alabama Senate race and Kobach's governor race failed. Hunter out in California is falling apart. Will people have to out-Trump Trump once he is gone to maintain the support of his base? Will doing so even get you enough of his base to get you elected? Can most people even adopt his style effectively enough to get his base's support, or will they see them as an imitator?
Personally, I'm worried that the Trump presidency has damaged both parties to the point where it will be very difficult for them to work together on any meaningful legislation. I think we are to the point now where it takes a major natural disaster-like a massive earthquake on the New Madrid fault line- or a legit war -not WoT or even Vietnam, more like Korea or WWII, most likely in the Middle East or China- or even outright open combat between groups on US streets-in which case hopefully the Dems/Repubs decide to take a step back and figure it out instead of ratcheting up tensions more- for the parties to really work together again.
The parties stopped working together in the 90s (Score:5, Interesting)
At this point I think the GOP is beyond redemption. The Dems might be, but there's a contingent of Democrats who refuse corporate money and support pro-middle class policies. That's your Berniecrats and the "Justice Democrats" and the moderates like Liz Warren. The Pelsoi and Clinton Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against them, but seem to be gradually losing (mostly because of student loan debt, which is turning college grads left as they're crushed under a tsunami of debt).
The next election basically decides it. That's because there will be two Supreme Court nominations up for grabs, maybe 3. If we get somebody like Joe Biden or Pete Buttigieg, who are openly corrupt (taking large amounts of cash at expensive dinners) then yeah, we're done for. The independents will stay home and we'll get 4 more years of Trump. On the other hand I think either Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders can turn the Democratic party around and the country with it. I could see the GOP fading into nothing with the Dems splitting into a left wing pro-worker party and right wing pro-corporate party...
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I'd say Sanders is the Neville Chamberlain of our time, but I don't think Chamberlain was that much of a cuck willing to forgo all principles for political expediency. Likewise Warren showed her true colors during the 2016 primary. Both of these are pied pipers to sucker in leftist idealists who will then be forced to vote for whoever the DNC decides they will vote for. Again.
The "no borders, no wall, no USA at all" Social Justice Democrats being a pro-worker party is such a laughable contradiction. What c
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Personally, I'm worried that the Trump presidency has damaged both parties to the point where it will be very difficult for them to work together on any meaningful legislation.
Another reason to vote them out!
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Not necessarily, they could be violating ITAR in any number of ways. That would definitely be a big deal if they were. Proprietary AI tech would likely fall under ITAR.
There is no question they are ... (Score:2)
Working with Governments all over the world in the countries they serve.
seriously (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump investigating anyone for treason is hypocrisy in action.
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Trump investigating anyone for treason is hypocrisy in action.
He throws the word treason around a LOT, but I'm not sure he really knows what it means.
Re:seriously (Score:5, Insightful)
"No borders, no wall, no USA at all" (Score:2)
Fortunately one doesn't need to be a Trump supporter to recognize treason, projection, gaslighting, and stupid strawman accusations.
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Fortunately one doesn't need to be a Trump supporter to recognize treason, projection, gaslighting, and stupid strawman accusations.
Are you saying Trump supporters recognize those things, from him?
When you talk about a country as your enemy (Score:2)
It's up to you.
And if your bellicose words then classify routine long-standing international business relationships and co-operation as aiding and abetting the newly defined "enemy", that's you that made the change of rhetoric. Nothing else really changed. Only you (and the fools that believe you) are surprised and (faux) outraged.
By my count, Trump has, himself, without help or need, made fresh enemies of:
Iran,
China,
Venezuela
and I'm sure I missed a few.
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And yet, when you talk about a country as your friend, it does not make them your friend.
Sorry Ivan, but those countries have been enemies of the United States for decades.
Definition of treason (Score:5, Insightful)
It looks like Thiel and Trump need to look up the meaning of 'treason'. Or maybe they are deliberately using that word because they know that it amps up their clueless base.
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Treason in the US can only occur during a time of formally declared war. Period.
Wrong. Period.
All you have to do is aid an enemy. There is no requirement for a formal declaration of war from the US or said enemy.
If there were a requirement for a formal declaration of war from the US, then the US could simply declare war after the fact and get you retroactively. Yes, retroactively, because you could be aiding the enemy for a first strike before war was formally declared. The formal declaration changes neither your actions, your motives, nor the status of the enemy. If you tried to
Re:Definition of treason (Score:5, Insightful)
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Elected government has the honor of declaring enemies. Current policy is to encourage economic interaction with China in an attempt to enrich their "peasantry" until they are middle class and demand more freedom.
Multinationals cannot work in China and also the US if the US does not want them to. Currently, they want them to.
Re:Definition of treason (Score:5, Informative)
Accepting money from an adversarial foreign power that undermines your own country's interest is by definition: treason.
No. That is NOT treason "by definition".
Treason is explicitly defined in the United States Constitution, and under American law, that is the only definition. Here it is:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. -- Article III, U.S. Constitution
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Treason is explicitly defined in the United States Constitution, and under American law, that is the only definition.
Trump likes to make up his own definitions. Like defining American-born non-white congresswomen as foreigners.
Beck had a Becktionary; Trump apparently has a Trumptionary.
I'm actually really nervous about this (Score:3, Interesting)
To Hispanics out there, let me ask you this: If Ice troopers in riot gear with assault weapons showed at your door and demand "Papers Please!" could you prove on the spot you were a citizen? If you showed them your papers and they lit them on fire,
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What would be the outcome if you replaced your derogatory "Ice troopers" with "SWAT Team"?
Are you volunteering to be the next one to try to blow up a detention center with a propane tank?
Re:I'm actually really nervous about this (Score:4, Funny)
Are you volunteering to be the next one to try to blow up a detention center with a propane tank?
How about we try fixing this at the ballot box first?
15 months to go.
Huh? WTF? (Score:2)
Anyway, to answer you're question, SWAT teams belong to cities, ICE is federal. Big difference.
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To Hispanics out there, let me ask you this: If Ice troopers in riot gear with assault weapons showed at your door and demand "Papers Please!" could you prove on the spot you were a citizen?
In the most recent attempt at a nationwide sweep, it was actually ICE that didn't have their papers, and the residents of the home sent them away.
People are learning about their Rights, it is a great thing.
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The argument is that Google is adhering to the enemies of the United States.
Fact - There is no requirement for those enemies to be engaged in a formal war with the US. Such a requirement would preclude the 9/11 attackers, any false flags, any unrecognized nation, or any non-nation rebellious faction from being counted as "enemies". That would then allow US citizens to aid them and assist in their attacks without being subject to treason charges.
Fact - There is no requirement for the US to be engaged in a
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Fact - There is no requirement for those enemies to be engaged in a formal war with the US.
There is a requirement that they be "actively hostile", which means in armed conflict.
What do you think would happen to a US citizen selling military secrets to Russia or China?
You mean like Julius and Ethel Rosenberg [wikipedia.org], who provided nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union? They were tried and executed for espionage. Neither was ever charged with treason.
Did you read your own post? (Score:2)
GP specifically said an "adversarial foreign power", meaning an enemy. If you accepted money from a foreign power it wasn't done for shits and giggles, you did it as a quid pro quo, e.g. you gave them "aid and comfort".
We can argue whether the current administration did any of that, but if they did do it and did it with a foreign power then yes, by the definition laid out in the constitution it is very likely treason.
Now, if Trump merely
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adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort
Bingo. Examples: Selling military equipment to countries known to have terrorist regimes. Would you think that selling materials to Nazi Germany would have not been treason? If so, get the fuck out of this country because you don't deserve to live here.
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Would you think that selling materials to Nazi Germany would have not been treason?
Prior to 1941-12-11, it would be illegal (there was an embargo), but would not be treason
After that date, it likely would be considered treason.
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For the sake of argument, say he may he a traitor, but how is easing sanctions on the Russian elites in exchange for (something) levying war against the US?
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Is the US at war with China? Is China considered an active enemy? If so, who started it? And before you say "China, for spying on us", if that made countries enemies we would be at war with just about every country on earth, including our European allies. Also, why is Trump taking advice from Thiel on foreign policy or to launch internal investigations? This is starting to feel no better than when the Stasi randomly "investigated" people based on rumors.
The China/Tech Connection (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:The China/Tech Connection (Score:4, Insightful)
and they're not doing it out of a deep sense of empathy for the United States.
The first motivation, and the enabler, is that they are doing it because they drag in about half a trillion US $'s per year and they cant simply convert it back to their own currency because they are manipulating their own currency.
Peter Thiel must have over-micro-dosed his LSD ! (Score:3)
Classic PARANOIA -- cool it on the brain hacking drugs !
Peter Thiel is a big proponent of all sorts of nootropics and longevity treatments, including micro-dosed psilocybin and LSD.
I am too -- but I also know when I've overdone it -- mania and paranoia are common symptoms ;)
Treason? (Score:3)
Treason is defined in the Constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
Alas, the definition doesn't include dealings with a trading partner. Even if some people don't like the trading partner. Even if the trading partner were doing certifiably evil things (China could run extermination camps like the Nazis did, and that wouldn't make whatsisname a traitor within the definition of the Constitution).
Treason? (Score:2)
But as new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other, the convention have, with great judgment, opposed a barrier to this peculiar danger, by inserting a constitutional definition of the crime, fixing the proof necessary for conviction of it, and restraining the Congress, even in punishing it, from extending the consequences of guilt beyond the person of its author.
-- Federalist Papers #43
Dragonfly has been cancelled (Score:2)
Palantir (Score:2)
Thiel is chairman of a defense/intelligence contractor. I can only imagine how fully pwned his entire organization is at this point since basically every defense contractor is. And on the board of Facebook...classic. Definitely pot calling the kettle black.
If I put my tin foil hat on, I suspect that Palantir's data analytics products are complete crap. They are so far behind google in AI research it is hopeless, and despite Googler's protests, Google feed at the US Govt trough and run roughshod over Pa
Re:What about apple? The same apple that does not (Score:5, Insightful)
The same Apple that's not legally required to help the FBI under US law? The same Apple that protects each country's citizens to the best that local law will allow them?
Can we all agree that "Communist China does bad/human rights violatey thing X" is a bad reason to do it ourselves?
Re: What about apple? The same apple that does not (Score:2)
How is that any different from Google?
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Re: What about apple? The same apple that does not (Score:5, Interesting)
Companies aren't going to look out for your interests out of the goodness of their own hearts, but that doesn't mean that their self-serving tendencies can't benefit you. Make it known what kind of service you want to buy, and someone's going to try to figure out how to sell it to you while making a buck on the side.
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"Google doesn't go anywhere near to the same level as Apple doe"
false.
"Apple doesn't care about doing that "
laughable false. Apple absolutely peers their user data.
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Re:What about apple? The same apple that does not (Score:4, Insightful)
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I've wondered if the US backed off some anti-trust stuff in exchange for backdoors into what they build for China.
Like China will be a dictatorship anyway so we might as well spy on them by building their spy infrastructure.
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There's already a DOJ and SEC investigation that's on-going with Apple into their battery bit. I'd hazard a guess that the scope will be expanded since they're looking into Google. Or the DOJ might attempt to leverage Apple for dirt against Google for various issues and then pay a "monetary penalty" for doing the same thing.
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It's a reasonable point, but it's a different kind of issue.
Apple is protecting customer (and thus owner) interests by doing only what is legally required to comply with FBI requests. They stand to lose money by bending over for the FBI, so the board is complying with their fiduciary duty with their stance.
Google is refusing to engage with DOD projects because they don't want to makes their snowflakes have a feel. They're not just ignoring their fiduciary duty, but making that sacrifice in order to hurt
Re:What about apple? The same apple that does not (Score:5, Interesting)
Are you smoking something?
Google isn't engaging with the US military because their employees threatened a revolt. Ascribing the decision of the company to a desire to harm the US government is patently absurd. You can certainly point at that portion of their workforce as being hypocritical though. Googles choice boiled down to taking on US military work and risk losing a large part of their workforce, or turn down the work and continue with business as usual. Neither choice is particularly morally fraught, but so far as finances go sticking with the status quo is the obviously safer bet.
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I'm commenting only to undo my accidental down-moderation of the parent post.
Carry on ...
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You have no idea how businesses work. People aren't interchangeable pawns, and employee can get a say to.
Your 'employees are slaves' mentality is sick, sad and pathetic.
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"Helping drones kill America's enemies hurts bad people."
Yes. well over 100k non-combatants, man it sure is good they are dead.
Killing ANYONE is the last resort of failed policy. Also, being Americas enemies doesn't make them bad people.
IN many,many cases, America was the bad people. Like, every elected government we've overthrown, for starters.
Then torture, rendering, and so on.
Google relation with China is more complex then you let on. Google is cracking the door open a tiny bit. and that's good.
Re: What about apple? The same apple that does not (Score:2, Insightful)
Just read this thread and came across this comment. All I can say is this IS America Jack and our forefathers fought hard to make sure we could talk shit all day about our government and change it if we have to. So don't give me that love America and shut up crap, being able to talk shit about our government is loving America and the best of what we are about.
Re:What about apple? The same apple that does not (Score:4, Insightful)
Google is refusing to engage with DOD projects because they don't want to makes their snowflakes have a feel.
So a company that doesn’t want its products to be used to kill people is being “a snowflake”? Do you roll up to Amish country and tell them how they are snowflakes too? Or what about the freedom that every company has to work with or not work with the government as they see fit? Why did you hate freedom?
They're not just ignoring their fiduciary duty, but making that sacrifice in order to hurt the US.
Why is it when people cry out “snowflakes’”, they are often the first ones to complain how they were “hurt” by the snowflakes. Ironic, isn’t it? But let’s address your point: what fiduciary responsibility? If I am reading your post correctly, you want Google to pursue every single dollar they can regardless if they have moral, legal, or other objections. So you’re arguing to profit over everything else then?
If they took that stance uniformly, they'd at least have the moral high ground, though shareholders have a good reason to be angry.
Wait, wait. Google took the moral high ground by not accepting work and you’re complaining it would have been the moral high ground to ignore their principles. Is black and white reversed in your world?
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Ever considered that one of those "shareholder interests" might be to not have important employees leave Google for the competition and thus lowering the stock price?
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" That's what "fiduciary" means: they must put the interest of shareholders above their own interest."
"shareholder's interests" are not solely financial. You can trivially uphold your fiduciary duties while still adhering to ethical and moral principles, as well as charitable and other pursuits.
In other words, no, your fiduciary duties do not oblige you, even in a profit-centric corporation to chase down every dollar of profit you legally can.
OK, I take exception with this (Score:4, Insightful)
Snowflake or not no reasonable person wants to be party to that. Moreover protesting that is the kind of thing that can get your blackballed. Standing up for that, in the face of loosing your job isn't a "melting snowflake", it's Stone Cold Awesome.
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Yes, weapons, like just about everything else, can be used for evil as well as good. But do you think America's military has good intentions? Clearly the average Googler does not think so, nor is it a popular idea on the Left Coast.
Yes, snowflakes love protesting. What's your point?
We're not talking about the military (Score:3)
I should add, this is why I like written debates (Score:3)
You are a better debater than I am, I'll give you that. And that's the trouble. You remind me of Ben Shapiro. He's
I'm the parent on the discussion (Score:2)
He was responding to me (Score:2)
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It's not up for debate.
OK, I won't consider your argument then.
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Could you be more fucking biased?
" makes their snowflakes have a feel"
Grow up.
Apple literally,train FBI agent and police how to do 'forensics' on apple devices.
The Pre Jobs Apple is dead, the new apple is getting much cozier with law enforcement, data selling, with a notable lack of innovation any more.
The last of Apples Hippy roots died with Jobs.
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Re: Big high tech companies likely "infiltrated" (Score:2)
Which is why you should be concerned when employees are able to access customer data or aggregation tools. Every access and use needs to be controlled. For companies like Facebook, this is a nightmare scenario. For companies like Microsoft, it's business as usual.
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One of our vendors recently issued an information disclosure vulnerability report about the
fact that every time you took a tech dump and sent it to their TAC, local device crypto keys
were included in that tech dump. TAC technicians can be anywhere with who knows what
entanglements to state or non-state interests.
I was astounded. Not that this happens... over the last decade or so I've been scrubbing
crypto keys out of tech dumps for more hours than any person should ever have to... something
that the vast ma
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What is a "tech dump?"
Is that like, a neckbeard using a Japanese bathroom?
And why are you sending the results to the Technical Advisory Council, didn't you know that Ajit Pai is a bad man?
Re: Call Trump "RAAAAACIS'" for the billionth time (Score:2, Funny)
Found the racist!
Re:Call Trump "RAAAAACIS'" for the billionth time (Score:5, Insightful)
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The only people Axios surveyed were white, non-college voters who supported Trump in 2016. Read a poll once in a while, retard.
Wrong. Cite it, I dare you.
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Not the original AC but it is in their fucking article describing the poll [axios.com] you idiot.
The fact this poll is of people belongi
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Yeah guys, the Dems need to work harder to beat Trump's -2,000,000 vote lead in the last election! No way he has done something stupid that has alienated some of his previous voters!
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And on the gripping hand, it is Peter Thiel, a Facebook board member.
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On the one hand, it's the evil Google!
On the other hand, it's the scary Orange Man!
In reality, it's neither. Follow the money to find the root cause.
Re:Right after I go on dozens of racist twitter ra (Score:4, Interesting)
I actually honestly fear that the President is suffering from Dementia.
Combined with with his ego, and ruthless personality that was always associated with Trump. But Presidency has been really bad for him. As a guy who always needs to feel loved, being president where there will always be 30% of the population who hates your guts because you assign yourself to the wrong party, and 40% who will judge you on your actions. There is just a lot of people who hate him more then they did before. Before the people who loved him, loved him. But the people who didn't just didn't care. Now as President his words and actions affect other people, so if we don't like him or what he says it just cannot be ignored.
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>I actually honestly fear that the President is suffering from Dementia.
The entire GOP is suffering from dementia.
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I don't fear for it, I hope for it. At least then his behavior would be explicable.
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My thoughts exactly! That's the best case scenario given all the events that already happened.
Honestly thought it seems unlikely, wishful thinking.
Re:Why do you care if prostitutes peed on Obama's (Score:4, Interesting)
Um, the question isn't why The People would care about a recording of Trump's prostitutes, it's why(*) Trump cares about a recording of his prostitutes. Blackmail isn't something you do to the public.
(*) And even then, it's not really even a question of why he cares, but how much he cares, i.e. what price is being demanded from him, paid by America?
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I mean, we already know he cares (or cared) enough to pay off one prostitute/porn star. But, that might have changed. Or maybe not, maybe his shame starts to kick in depending on what they were doing. People are weird, Trump especially so.
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It was never "Obama's bed," it was just the bed in the fanciest Suite that the Obama administration rented while he was in town.
It seems unlikely that the President of the United States actually just rents a foreign hotel room and sleeps in the most obvious bed.
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Basically we live now in a world where if you're a Trump supporter they LIE LIKE FUCKING EVIL MURDEROUS SATANIC THUGS .. and say NOTHING that is true, and everything si a fucking lie and everything is fraudulent and slander.
Heed my words: I wish the democratic party to fucking die.
And yet just having politically opposed views to trump instantly labels you as someone who hates America? Hypocritical much?
Never have those women he told to get out said they hated American, they just have different ideas about solutions than he (and you) have. That does not mean they hate America
Re:THIS Is what matters, not the circus (Score:4, Insightful)
Their statements and proposals are their ideas of how to best fixes issues, because they dont hate America, they want to make it better, and in their eyes these proposals are the best way to do it. They were voted in by their districts because those districts agreed with their point of view and ideals. So does that mean these districts hate America? You see how stupid the idea of labeling a congressional representative as un-American is? (unless of course they have flat out stated as such)
Once again just because someones political ideals, ideas, and proposals dont align with your own ideas and beliefs does not mean that person hates the country. They just have a different POV and ideas.
But sure, just label it 'anti-American' if it helps reinforce your own bubble of us vs them.
I may not agree with proposals on either side of the aisle, or statements said. However Im not about to start thinking someone is out right anti-American because of it, thats just plain idiotic, as well as leading down a very horrible path (which we are already on) of people instantly demonizing the other side of a debate as being unpatriotic based on a point view
Re:THIS Is what matters, not the circus (Score:5, Informative)
Tautology demonstrates nothing.
Where any policy that you personally don't like is "anti-american," perchance?
Irony, thy name is conservative rationalization. "Just because [Trump has] never come out and said directly ["I am a racist"] doesn't mean we can't look at [his] actions and see that [he] clearly [is]."
Oh really? [twitter.com]
"who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)"
So the really good speller [huffpost.com] misspelled counties as "countries"?
"viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."
So the people of their districts are not people of the United States, there are congressional districts that lack functioning governments, and changing local policies is not telling people of the United States how their government is to be run?
Oh, and by the way, those "countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe" are apparently the United States. Three of those women are native born Americans, and I'm pretty sure that congressional districts and states are not countries. Just sayin'.
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You forgot North Korea.
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China is proving economic freedom is very powerful for an economy. Freedom of speech is something else.
Freedom of business is why some nations are wealthy and others are not. There are many freedoms with different effects on the economy.
The west plays a dangerous game thinking freedom of speech, or politics, is the lion's share of meaningful freedom. Some day China's government may have enough spare cash to keep up with the west on technology.
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Trillionaire corporation will do just fine suing a mere billionaire.
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Remember a billionaire has his fingers in so many pies they probably have violated a number of laws even just accidentally, so they don't want discovery on themselves either.
This is why we have a 4th amendment, so the powerful, mainly the king, cannot rummage through the papers of their opponents looking for things to hurt them with.
That's why, regardless of any Trump activities, continuing on after the special prosecutor, and then requesting his tax returns so they can leak them for embarrasing but legal t